Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

What elements will the other Diabolos members have?

I think you have to create this in Dragon Slayer thread since this is only to discuss power rankings only.

 

[LaGOAT]

Laxus has DF, we saw it in his original arc.

Honestly. I don’t see it shifting a ton except for Natsu being on top without power ups.

1) Natsu (Maybe in base, def power up)
2) Gildarts (If still alive, bc of superior hax)
3) Laxus (Should be in his prime as Master)
4) Erza (Will be looked at as top Ace)
5) Gray (won’t have the forms to give him the edge)
6) Gajeel (same)
7) Mira
8) Wendy
9) Elfman
10) Lucy

nah i think natsu will be consider the ace.

 

[Jko]

What misconception? He literally just got done taking the rest of the guild out with just his subordinates. An he has the appropriate markings. Provide another reason for him to grow scales and get a massive power boost bro.

He doesn't have DF at all. None of the second gen do. He would have oneshotted if he did and the boost would've been noted. The scale pattern would have covered his face and not just chest either.

He didn't get a boost, he just used his DS magic lol.

 

[grey matter]

He doesn't have DF at all. None of the second gen do. He would have oneshotted if he did and the boost would've been noted. The scale pattern would have covered his face and not just chest either.

He didn't get a boost, he just used his DS magic lol.

Yep, Laxus one shots if that was actually DF (then again, twin Dragon's DF were nothing, soo....idk lol). Apparently the 2nd gen DS get scales upon activating DS magic. Cobra also got lots of scales when he used DS magic.

 

[GL_Nova]

He doesn't have DF at all. None of the second gen do. He would have oneshotted if he did and the boost would've been noted. The scale pattern would have covered his face and not just chest either.

He didn't get a boost, he just used his DS magic lol.

Yep, Laxus one shots if that was actually DF (then again, twin Dragon's DF were nothing, soo....idk lol). Apparently the 2nd gen DS get scales upon activating DS magic. Cobra also got lots of scales when he used DS magic.

That doesn’t follow. Laxus was already beating them, and the resulting explosion from his release of power pushed them back. An had FL worked he would have 1 shot immediately following the transformation. An where does it state it has to be on his face?

That doesn’t track. We literally never see dragon scales again. He constantly uses lightning dragon magic and his arms are constantly exposed. Unlike Cobra who produces poison with his dragon scales hence the transformation every time.

 

[Jko]

That doesn’t follow. Laxus was already beating them, and the resulting explosion from his release of power pushed them back. An had FL worked he would have 1 shot immediately following the transformation. An where does it state it has to be on his face?

That doesn’t track. We literally never see dragon scales again. He constantly uses lightning dragon magic and his arms are constantly exposed. Unlike Cobra who produces poison with his dragon scales hence the transformation every time.

Laxus didn't insta beat them and couldn't oneshot either of them with DS magic. If he was in DF then he would have oneshotted since he was already stronger than them. To show the scales cover more than just the arms. The scales usually cover the entire body while in DF. It doesn't just go one single part of it.

Bcs it was just an aesthetic choice at the time. Cobra's arms don't transform anymore either lol.

DF would have been noted and there would've been a notion of a boost. Every time some has enter DF for the first time it has been noted that they did and/or they show some sort of big increase in power.

 

[Kiki]

I honestly dont know why Mashima gave those scales at that time, and now they are gone. though I am glad it's no longer a thing now because I personally find it..disgusting? (if this is the better wording) however the new game gives them back now

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus didn't insta beat them and couldn't oneshot either of them with DS magic. If he was in DF then he would have oneshotted since he was already stronger than them. To show the scales cover more than just the arms. The scales usually cover the entire body while in DF. It doesn't just go one single part of it.

Bcs it was just an aesthetic choice at the time. Cobra's arms don't transform anymore either lol.

DF would have been noted and there would've been a notion of a boost. Every time some has enter DF for the first time it has been noted that they did and/or they show some sort of big increase in power.

Cobra’s arms have transformed every time he’s used his power across all forms of media’s.

An are you saying had it been effective FL wouldn’t have put Natsu and Gajeel down.

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An let’s not ignore that the first few times DF was clearly still being set in stone.

 

[Jko]

Cobra’s arms have transformed every time he’s used his power across all forms of media’s.

An are you saying had it been effective FL wouldn’t have put Natsu and Gajeel down.

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An let’s not ignore that the first few times DF was clearly still being set in stone.

Bro, he didn't use those transformed arms in the GMG, and Tartatus battles lol. Laxus lost his scaly arm thing altogether. Those arms are just for aesthetic choice, they don't give any sort of power up lol.

FL has nothing to do with DF or even power, it's a hax related ability. In DF he wouldn't need FL to have oneshotted them.

Yes, but the boost was clearly noted in the fight. If Laxus had DF, why hasn't he used it in any of the fights he needed it in? DF would be a stronger power enhancement than RL lol.

 

[Acnologia2415]

If Laxus had dragon force he would be the strongest member in the Fairy Tail Guild.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

If Laxus had dragon force he would be the strongest member in the Fairy Tail Guild.

I doubt it. Not all DF are equal in power. Natsu is the only special one.

 

[grey matter]

I doubt it. Not all DF are equal in power. Natsu is the only special one.

True, the twin dragon's DF............LMFAO, that was beyond disappointing.

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That doesn’t follow. Laxus was already beating them, and the resulting explosion from his release of power pushed them back. An had FL worked he would have 1 shot immediately following the transformation. An where does it state it has to be on his face?

That doesn’t track. We literally never see dragon scales again. He constantly uses lightning dragon magic and his arms are constantly exposed. Unlike Cobra who produces poison with his dragon scales hence the transformation every time.

I wish I knew man, I wanted to see more of that as well. IMO it is lacrima drive. If it was DF, then Natsu and Gajeel would've been vapourized from that roar, not just one shot.

 

[sharkai]

i wrote what i wanted in the first quote pre TS
laxus was >>> erza i'm not debating to this anymore.




tell this man here @sharkai he keeps bring it back

and that is why i keep bring it up. amount of wank laxus used to get (and apparently still get) is mind boggling.
Too bad mishma finally proved that laxus barely stronger than non pof non serious erza

sorry mate. i will keep bring it up, well atleast till something else becomes more interesting or laxus wanks dies. both can happen

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@sharkai i never said u said erza>laxus I said u thought she was an equal which isn’t true if u beleive that Laxus can beat erza high diff it means laxus>erza simple it always been like that till now so rather if the gap is big or not the fact is laxus has always been stronger than erza btw gray implied that Laxus>erza

my problem has never been that
ff erza might have been weaker than ff laxus. we dont know

my problem is we know in pre ts laxus >> natsu. and we also know erza >> natsu. the fact there are people who stupidly believes the gap between laxus and erza can be somehow larger than the gap between erza and natsu.
the thing i really want is to know, what is going through there heads.

take @GL_Nova
as an example, he had no problem comparing tartarus jellal vs OS to OS erza vs OS. he would never do this normally. he knows well enough, old villains fall in power levels, but to prove laxus above erza, everything seems to go

we cant be precise man. we dont know how fights will go. if you havent seen them fight, you cant say extreme diff, or high diff.
my personal opinion
laxus might be able to beat jellal high diff
jellal might be able to beat laxus high diff
erza might be able to beat laxus high diff
laxus might be able to beat erza high diff

they are somewhat equal. and we dont know anything more

they are in the same tier, in all timeskip

yes, gray kinda implied laxus is stronger. but he also later said erza already had SO
its same laxus>=erza>>natsu


in all the above, pof has not been taken into consideration

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Gajeel has always been stronger than Gray imo. Tartaros made them equal, Both at their peak Gajeel > Gray.

you gave me one liner, and want me to leave laxus vs erza lol

not so simple
in my opinion
phantom arc
gajeel > gray

(edit sorry forgot one arc)
gajeel>gray (pantherlily being above that other strange guy
(/end edit)

tenrou arc
gray > gajeel (ultear being far above that chicken and that cow)

gmg
three months training shadow gajeel > SO gray

tartarus
des gray = shadow gajeel

alverzec
darkness gray > maybe df type thing gajeel

 

[GL_Nova]

and that is why i keep bring it up. amount of wank laxus used to get (and apparently still get) is mind boggling.
Too bad mishma finally proved that laxus barely stronger than non pof non serious erza

sorry mate. i will keep bring it up, well atleast till something else becomes more interesting or laxus wanks dies. both can happen

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my problem has never been that
ff erza might have been weaker than ff laxus. we dont know

my problem is we know in pre ts laxus >> natsu. and we also know erza >> natsu. the fact there are people who stupidly believes the gap between laxus and erza can be somehow larger than the gap between erza and natsu.
the thing i really want is to know, what is going through there heads.

take @GL_Nova
as an example, he had no problem comparing tartarus jellal vs OS to OS erza vs OS. he would never do this normally. he knows well enough, old villains fall in power levels, but to prove laxus above erza, everything seems to go

we cant be precise man. we dont know how fights will go. if you havent seen them fight, you cant say extreme diff, or high diff.
my personal opinion
laxus might be able to beat jellal high diff
jellal might be able to beat laxus high diff
erza might be able to beat laxus high diff
laxus might be able to beat erza high diff

they are somewhat equal. and we dont know anything more

they are in the same tier, in all timeskip

yes, gray kinda implied laxus is stronger. but he also later said erza already had SO
its same laxus>=erza>>natsu


in all the above, pof has not been taken into consideration

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you gave me one liner, and want me to leave laxus vs erza lol

not so simple
in my opinion
phantom arc
gajeel > gray

(edit sorry forgot one arc)
gajeel>gray (pantherlily being above that other strange guy
(/end edit)

tenrou arc
gray > gajeel (ultear being far above that chicken and that cow)

gmg
three months training shadow gajeel > SO gray

tartarus
des gray = shadow gajeel

alverzec
darkness gray > maybe df type thing gajeel

Dude, I am totally fine with you responding to me in debates, or referencing what I’ve actually said, other than that though, keep my name out ya mouth brodi. I don’t appreciate people speaking for me, especially with incorrect assumptions or accusations. Not to start any beef, just to make sure we’re on the same page moving forward.

As for your example, my form of scaling is consistent throughout the manga. An as for your specific OS example, we have watched Mashima add abilities and storylines to explain how he kept them relevant power wise. So comparing Jellal's performance, who is genuinely considered Laxus equal, to Erza’s performance against them when she’s genuinely considered weaker works fine. Especially since we see directly that She was completely countered by 3 of them, and Jellal took on their entire guild and bested them alone. The only way it doesn’t work is if you insist that Erza has had growth and change in her portrayal which hadnt takes place at the time. The aversion to comparisons like this are personal. I’m quite consistent with them, maybe if you engage me on a topic other than Laxus and Erza, you’d have noticed.

Bro, he didn't use those transformed arms in the GMG, and Tartatus battles lol. Laxus lost his scaly arm thing altogether. Those arms are just for aesthetic choice, they don't give any sort of power up lol.

FL has nothing to do with DF or even power, it's a hax related ability. In DF he wouldn't need FL to have oneshotted them.

Yes, but the boost was clearly noted in the fight. If Laxus had DF, why hasn't he used it in any of the fights he needed it in? DF would be a stronger power enhancement than RL lol.

Appearances where he was wearing gloves the entire arc? An please explain where me stating his dragon scales make the poison is the same as saying it’s a power up? Or did you switch back to taking about Laxus here?

He didn’t need FL to one shot them. He roared after he went into DF and that put them both down. FL was the reason they were able to face him at all, as he wasted a massive amount of magic on it.

Why has Laxus who triea to defeat his foes with the lowest amount of power necessary not used DF in any of his fights since? Other than Hades, who he gave his magic away instead of facing, what opponent did he need to use it against? Most of his foes fell to the first DS spell he uses.

 

[LaGOAT]

@sharkai again ur contradicting urself. Answer this do u believe Laxus>erza???

 

[Ronin31]

FL was the reason they were able to face him at all, as he wasted a massive amount of magic on it.

Yes, I agree with you, he fulled out a lot of his Magic Reserve without any effectivity and gave them his own defeat. Laxus was far beyond Natsu's Tier.

Why has Laxus who triea to defeat his foes with the lowest amount of power necessary not used DF in any of his fights since? Other than Hades, who he gave his magic away instead of facing, what opponent did he need to use it against? Most of his foes fell to the first DS spell he uses.

Yes, Laxus is an impressive and destructive wizard who only needed a few blow to crush his opponent. But after his cure, he didn't went into Dragon Force to destroy Walh who was immune to his lightning. By concentring more lightning power, he had to turn into Dragon Force, instead of, he used a new magic hability by accident.

The same way, versus Acnologia who is a monster far stronger than himself and couldn't hurt him, he had again to use Dragon Force vs such a foe. He stayed in his classic lightning thunder because he couldn't use Red Lightning at will (he discovered it) and couldn't turn into Dragon Force. he has not this hability….

It is not an attack, only fact. I agree with you that Laxus is massely destructor even in his classic mode, but some foe required this and he couldn't use it.

Laxus is one of the strongest wizard in his own and his Amped power up is not Dragon Force. It is his Red Lightning where he passed a year to train (Erza explained that he had gotten far stronger) and mastered it.

 

[sharkai]

@sharkai again ur contradicting urself. Answer this do u believe Laxus>erza???

I am not hundred percent clear. But if i am talking with you i give your side benefit of doubt.
But personally
I believe
Laxus who have spent some magic taking out kiria is slightly stronger than erza who held back for majority of the fight
But you can take it as laxus > erza (that laxus is slightly stronger than erza, like you said gray implied)

I just believe in a hypothetical scenario, closest fight, i give that high diff

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Dude, I am totally fine with you responding to me in debates, or referencing what I’ve actually said, other than that though, keep my name out ya mouth brodi. I don’t appreciate people speaking for me, especially with incorrect assumptions or accusations. Not to start any beef, just to make sure we’re on the same page moving forward.

As for your example, my form of scaling is consistent throughout the manga. An as for your specific OS example, we have watched Mashima add abilities and storylines to explain how he kept them relevant power wise. So comparing Jellal's performance, who is genuinely considered Laxus equal, to Erza’s performance against them when she’s genuinely considered weaker works fine. Especially since we see directly that She was completely countered by 3 of them, and Jellal took on their entire guild and bested them alone. The only way it doesn’t work is if you insist that Erza has had growth and change in her portrayal which hadnt takes place at the time. The aversion to comparisons like this are personal. I’m quite consistent with them, maybe if you engage me on a topic other than Laxus and Erza, you’d have noticed.

I thought this is would nicer approach compared to talking behind your back.

Beside i didnt get anything wrong. Its just a reference
You believe, as you say above, comparing OS erza vs three OS (in os arc) with tartarus jellal vs four OS (in tartarus arc) is fine. That is all what i said

I dont know about your consistency man
Do you think
cobra could beat bradman
Or
Racer could beat invel

As i mentioned to you, in alverzec arc, these were not springgan tiers (racer, cobra, midnight, rufus, rouge, sting,lyon, Minerva, kagura, jura). And i am guessing you agree with me, when mishma wrote that arc, he made springgans seems like that an almost impossible threat to overcome. So we cant possibily have 9 hidden springgans tiers on the good side

 

[Ronin31]

I just believe in a hypothetical scenario, closest fight, i give that high diff

At the beginning of the Manga, I think Erza was very "weak" because of her trauma. Her mind was far weakened her. This is why she was thinking that Natsu was at her level. He was not. She saw herself far weaker than she was just like Jose told her in Phantom Lord.

She was beginning her resilience during Paradise Tour vs Ikaruga. Before this period, her trauma should put Laxus "far" above her. This is why Laxus was thinking that Erza was too weak to compete with him. At this time, he only knew Erza like that. He wasn't aware about the beginning of her resilience who putted her "far" above a foe too strong for her (Ikaruga) and managed to surprise Jellal who didn't expected that power up.

So, in Fantasia, we don't know who would have won. Erza had hidden power (hakama without armor) and Laxus also had hidden power (Dragon Slayer). For me, they were around the same level.

With time, by analogy, I see them as even as "Natsu vs Gajeel" (don't count post Tartaros for the Dragon's Slayers's rivalry) : barely on the same level, but one can tap into far more power level in PoF (natural Dragon Force and Erza's Heart for example).

For now, in my opinion :
- In a scenario where they are challenging to strength contest, they are even. They will both hold back to not doing fatal blow and their staminas will be higher than their strike. Mismatch...
* Erza was only in that condition in her last fight vs Laxus : Handicap.

- In a scenario where they are both losing there mind, I think Erza can win, even without PoF. Laxus barely collapsed for a second when Erza used a hold back enchanted strike. With full strength, enhance with full anger, I don't know if Laxus can tank this. Erza could also manage to cut him as he couldn't even react in counterstrike. Both full anger, no restriction, I give Erza high to extreme diff.
* Laxus was only in that condition in his last fight vs Erza : Average.

- In a scenario, the same as Fantasia, where people's life are in Balance, Erza might fall before full Laxus's strength and then, will tap into PoF to bypass him the same way she did with Azuma. In PoF mode, Erza for the win, mid-diff, like Azuma.

I know people won't agree. I respect these idea and I will stop to debate. It is only my opinion. If you think Laxus is "far" stronger, I respect your point of view.

 

[LaGOAT]

@sharkai so ur agree that Laxus>erza so what’s the point of this debate? is cuz ppl beleive that there is a gap?

imo The confirmation is when mystogan floored every1 except makarov and laxus

 

[Ramen]

Mystogan had so much potential

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you gave me one liner, and want me to leave laxus vs erza lol

This makes no sense. I gave you my answer to a question you asked.