Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[grey matter]

That shouldn't really matter because face affects everyone who uses magic, and dragons have no special resistance to it. If anything, Acnologia is the only character who is resistant to all types of magic. So if anyone had resistance to face, it would have been him.

Acnologia didn't revert to his human form, and had enough MP in his tank to roar at Igneel in their rematch. If face wiped out all of his MP, then he probably would have needed to rest for a day. Keep in mind that one of Acnologia's roar is more powerful than pretty much the entire cast. If he can recover that much MP in such a short amount of time, then his MP is effectively impossible to exhaust.

I get what you're saying, but some stuff doesn't add up.

We know for a fact that Acno had already beaten prime Igneel back in the days, and stole his soul. Maybe he beat him because of soul steal to begin with, idk.

x791 Igneel, at best, had the power level of prime Igneel. The parent dragons wanted to go to future to begin with, because there wasn't enough ethernano to restore their power after Acno absorbed their souls or something. It suggests that parent dragons would've probably just been restored to their original powers instead of having a powerup.

Unless Acno got weaker in the 400 years, due to rust since there was no one to fight with him, it seems weird that Acno would lose to Igneel again. Because Acno did lose the round, Igneel could've torn his body to pieces instead of giving a speech to Natsu right there.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

We know for a fact that Acno had already beaten prime Igneel back in the days, and stole his soul.

that’s all you need. And hero’s statement of acno being the strongest character in the original series.

If people don’t like the Face argument, then there’s just another option. Acnologia underestimated him in the first round, since igneel later on comments on how acno is stronger than he though in round 2.

Acno > igneel is a fact. Gap isn’t big tho.

 

[Axiomus]

I get what you're saying, but some stuff doesn't add up.

We know for a fact that Acno had already beaten prime Igneel back in the days, and stole his soul. Maybe he beat him because of soul steal to begin with, idk.

x791 Igneel, at best, had the power level of prime Igneel. The parent dragons wanted to go to future to begin with, because there wasn't enough ethernano to restore their power after Acno absorbed their souls or something. It suggests that parent dragons would've probably just been restored to their original powers instead of having a powerup.

Unless Acno got weaker in the 400 years, due to rust since there was no one to fight with him, it seems weird that Acno would lose to Igneel again. Because Acno did lose the round, Igneel could've torn his body to pieces instead of giving a speech to Natsu right there.

Acno beat Igneel's group with a special type of dragon slaying magic that stole their souls. It wasn't much of a physical fight, because they weren't ripped to shreds.

And sure, Acnologia could have been rusty or underestimated Igneel. Whatever the reason is, Igneel managed to knock Acnologia down. He just underestimated how much power Acnologia had left, which is why he didn't kill Acnologia.

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The Parent Dragons were going to die anyway, Zeref would not listen if he can’t die, and losing END would be a blow to that and would affirm his position to get FH and do the NE, if he was planing on leaving Natsu his power then he would have told him since before leaving for Eclipse and considering Zeref came to the conclusion since Tenrou Island because he deemed Natsu unable to kill him. I doubt that Face would affect the Parent Dragons’ ability of flight. No, It is not like some sort of field of affect, it would just attack everyone in the continent at the time

It would take barely any time for the parent Dragons to stomp out Tartaros.

Igneel's power in Natsu's arm was the only thing Zeref ever explicitly said that he thought could kill him, and he even said in the Tartaros arc that he wanted to face Natsu instead of END. What changed Zeref's mind in Alvarez was when happy stopped Natsu from using Igneel's power killing him.

No, face wouldn't stop the parent Dragons from flying. But it would drain their magic. The parent Dragons used magic to smash the faces.

Face wipes out magic for as long as it's active. If it didn't, then it's useless... as everybody would just recover their powers a day later. Alvarez would need to disable face in order to launch an invasion, or they too would fall under the effects of face.

 

[WoWfan]

I was not talking about Parent Dragons fighting Tartaros, but them using their strength to destroy the faces. Besides the power in Natsu’s arm from Igneel was more of a theory because of it’s nature post Igneel’s death, we did not see him carry it out all the way. I never said it would stop the parent dragons from flying because it is natural to them, I don’t think that is how it works since it never said they would destroy magic as long as it exists, considering it behaves like a EMP which is a pulse bomb, and would kill the wizards on the continent with MDD.

 

[Axiomus]

I was not talking about Parent Dragons fighting Tartaros, but them using their strength to destroy the faces. Besides the power in Natsu’s arm from Igneel was more of a theory because of it’s nature post Igneel’s death, we did not see him carry it out all the way. I never said it would stop the parent dragons from flying because it is natural to them, I don’t think that is how it works since it never said they would destroy magic as long as it exists, considering it behaves like a EMP which is a pulse bomb, and would kill the wizards on the continent with MDD.

It barely took any time for the parent dragons to destroy face either. A couple of minutes. They had plenty of time to talk to the humans afterwards, which they could have used to just stomp out Tartaros if they had to.

It doesn't matter if face wouldn't stop the parent dragons from flying. Obviously they could still fly because they had wings. What it would do is eventually wipe out their magic power, which would kill them because they're only alive because of the dragon soul technique. Btw face didn't undo Acnologia's dragon form either, so it wouldn't have stopped Acnologia from flying.

He didn't kill Zeref because Happy stopped him. The story thus far summary for the next chapter told us that Natsu and Zeref would have both died if not for Happy. More importantly, Zeref thought he was going to die. That's really all that matters here.

That's literally what it does. It destroys magic when it's active. Then when the parent dragons destroyed it, it stopped destroying magic. If face doesn't continuously wipe out magic, then (1) everybody would just naturally recover their magic the next day and (2) destroying the face would do nothing as the damage had already been done. If what you're implying is true, then face is zero threat. Everyone literally just has to take a boat trip to another continent, recover their MP there, and then head back.

 

[GL_Nova]

The Irene fight was utter bs. I don't see how anyone uses that as a gauge of Irene's abilities. Same w/August v Gild.

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Erza def used PoF. She used it against Irene to bust Deus Sema and do damage against her and she used it against RoT Acno to knock him out of the sky. She did these things dubbed as impossible for the sake of her friends.

It’s the only abilities they have, and beats creating non existent character profiles based on how you think they should have performed, or how the collective would have liked them to perform. August vs Jellal should have been the amazing Archmagus battle we got from Seigfried vs Haja, but it ain’t what we got.

 

[WoWfan]

It took barely a minute or so, I never said it wouldn’t stop their flight since it was natural to them. It did not undo Lucy’s star dress too, yet it affected her, so it would do to Acno as well. The story thus far says a lot of things that changed overtime. All it did was it does, erase magic which when it activated does, which would kill the wizards with Magic Deficiency Disease, I doubt that they can evauate an entire continent before Face as activated.

 

[Axiomus]

It took barely a minute or so, I never said it wouldn’t stop their flight since it was natural to them. It did not undo Lucy’s star dress too, yet it affected her, so it would do to Acno as well. The story thus far says a lot of things that changed overtime. All it did was it does, erase magic which when it activated does, which would kill the wizards with Magic Deficiency Disease, I doubt that they can evauate an entire continent before Face as activated.

So we agree that it would be a simple task for Igneel and the parent dragons to stomp out Tartaros then.

The stardress itself is not made out of magic. It just has some of Aquarius' magic power in it, which face would have wiped out too. Dragons revert to a human form when they lose all their magic, like Mercphobia. The fact that Acnologia maintained his dragon form, and had enough MP afterwards to roar at Igneel, tells us he didn't lose all his MP to face.

Like what? I don't see why you're still arguing this. Zeref thought that Igneel's power could kill him. That alone proves my point.

Face wipes out magic for as long as it's active. This is a fact. That's why the dragons had to destroy it.

 

[Jko]

It’s the only abilities they have, and beats creating non existent character profiles based on how you think they should have performed, or how the collective would have liked them to perform. August vs Jellal should have been the amazing Archmagus battle we got from Seigfried vs Haja, but it ain’t what we got.

She also has her feats which speak far higher than that bs battle just like August's feats did. Erza was getting fodderized by Irene in Wendy's body and while she enchanted by Wendy and then out of nowhere she was able to overpower Irene's Master Enchant with broken bones. Anyone with a sense of reason would know that battle was utter bs. What she has shown in the past and currently are far above what she tried to do in that battle. She is also leagues above people like Brandish who showcased a country level feat with utter ease. Erza vs Irene was incompetent writing due to Mashima writing himself into a corner w/the top S12 and God tiers. The ending was a rushed mess and the only one who can actually consistently fight on that level is Natsu as shown in the 100YQ.

 

[WoWfan]

Tartaros was never a topic to bring up, the point is that Acno was down because of Face considering he got back up as soon as they were destroyed, which StarDress is made from magic, not everything is consistant, even airships are still afloat when they activate despite other vehicles destroyed too. That is the key word ”All” magic, which is to say that Acno has magic left. They were losing magic, not all of it instantly. Thought is not the same thing as concrete evidence, even END would kill Zeref since he made it that way. Face destroys all magic as a pulse, not continuous which contradicts was a pulse bomb is, they destroyed it otherwise everyone would die from lack of magic and END from reviving.

 

[Axiomus]

Tartaros was never a topic to bring up, the point is that Acno was down because of Face considering he got back up as soon as they were destroyed, which StarDress is made from magic, not everything is consistant, even airships are still afloat when they activate despite other vehicles destroyed too. That is the key word ”All” magic, which is to say that Acno has magic left. They were losing magic, not all of it instantly. Thought is not the same thing as concrete evidence, even END would kill Zeref since he made it that way. Face destroys all magic as a pulse, not continuous which contradicts was a pulse bomb is, they destroyed it otherwise everyone would die from lack of magic and END from reviving.

Acnologia wasn't down because of face. He was down because of Igneel. You can see him coughing up blood and there's fresh wounds all over his body, both of which are injuries face couldn't have possibly caused. There's zero reason why Acnologia would have fallen before the parent dragons considering he has more magic power and would have better resistance to face's magic.

Star dresses aren't made out of magic. They are clothing that have magic in them. They don't disappear when Lucy runs out of magic, when Lucy gets her magic taken from her, or when Lucy gets her magic sealed by magic-sealing cuffs. Acnologia's dragon form is a direct result of his dragon slaying magic, and more importantly, we've seen dragons revert to a human state when they run out of MP. That did not happen for Acnologia. The Christina airship probably didn't completely lose its MP either. Hence why it stayed afloat. Acnologia would have had far more MP than Christina.

Lol what pulse? We can see face's power when it's active....and it's not a quick pulse lol.

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It's silly to try to compare face to a real life EMP in the first place. A real life EMP tries to disable electronic devices by overloading the circuit with too much electricity so that it short circuits. Obviously that's not what's happening with face. Face works by destroying the ethernano in the atmosphere, and a real life EMP obviously can't destroy electrons in the atmosphere.

Zeref had more faith in Igneel's power killing him than he had in END's power.

 

[WoWfan]

So? That can be from before the fall, even Igneel was bleeding from the mouth too, wounds do not matter unless we see Igneel knock him down, and Acno dropped like a fly. Magic Resistance can only do so much against something that causes magic to vanish.
Lucy did not lose all of her magic when face was active tho, was simply losing it, and sealing is not the same as removing magic power, just making it unusable. Again, you don’t have to revert to normal to not be affected by magic loss as both Acno and
Lucy have proven, and that is proving my point with Christina as it hadn’t lost all it’s magic was still being affected by it, nothing says it has to be consistent.
The manga stated that Face is a pulse bomb on first release, even Face bombs do cause damage to their surroundings as well, or even in fiction how EMPs do not cause damage at all and just shut down electronics. Electrons are not the same as magic, electronics are, electrons would be related to ethernanos since they are particles, magic is just a product.

https://mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628754/16

Faith is subjective, results are the answer, unless you claim that Zeref can warp reality by his desire which is silly.

 

[Axiomus]

Acnologia's wounds were fresh. He was coughing up blood and had Blood spraying from his cuts. Igneel wasn't spraying blood from his wounds nor coughing up blood. And no, we don't need to see the actual attack. We can see the wounds from the attack, and there is a total lack of a reasonable explanation for how face would affect Acnologia more than Igneel. Face itself is a magic, which means Acnologia would be resistant to it. He would be more resistant to it than any of the parent dragons. The parent dragons were strong enough to still use magic, and Acnologia himself had more MP in his tank than Igneel did judging by their rematch.

It is consistent. Things with more MP held out for longer. Christina simply had more MP than the mages, which is why it held out for longer. The parent dragons had more MP than Christina, and Acnologia had more MP than the parent dragons. In fact, we know for a fact that Acnologia had more MP left in his tank than Igneel. Also, Lucy did lose all her magic from face. Again, the star dresses themselves aren't made out of magic. They are clothing with magic power in them, much like Erza's armor. We don't see them dissappear when Lucy runs out of magic or cuffed by magic sealing cuffs.

Just because face is called a magic pulse bomb doesn't mean it only shoots off one pulse. We see race's power when it activates, and it's not one quick pulse. Also, face doesn't destroy it's environment when it activates. The only time that happened was when Carla rigged the MP to blow. Claiming that EMPs don't damage electronics just tells me that you don't understand how EMPs are supposed work lol. An EMP disables electrical devices by frying the circuits. It literally tries to overload the device with so much electricity that it burns. If you don't damage the circuit, the device remains 100% functional because it's in perfect condition. I really shouldn't even need to point this out. Face does not behave like a real life EMP, mainly because face disables magic for as long as it's active. It literally destroys the ethernano in the atmosphere. An EMP doesn't disable electricity at all. Because you can't actually disable electricity in the environment, you can only fry electrical devices. The amount of electrons and potential electrical energy in the area affected by an EMP never actually changes.

There's no reality warping needed. Zeref thought Igneel's power was enough to kill him, and that's the only thing he ever actually said was strong enough to kill him. This is backed up by the story thus far summary, which told us that Natsu and Zeref would have died if not for Happy. There is literally nothing to contradict this except for you making up stuff about how the story thus far section changes it's mind, which is false. Because it never does.

 

[WoWfan]

fresh is relative, unless we see Igneel deliver the hit that knocked Acno to the ground, that is just speculation. Not against something that can strip him of magic, even when he was affected by other magics before, so there is a limit to what he can't be affected by, I looked at the chapter, Lucy never said she is completely out of magic, just that she felt weak, her clothings are a product of magic just like her swords and armor which disappear too. sealing cuffs do not nullify magic power, just makes it unusable. Parent dragons are irrelevant as they can fly naturally and don't require magic for it, Acno's form is a product of magic which is why he felt out of the sky. Pulses have a duration too you know? so it is a long pulse, we see it literally harming the area around it, and destroying all sorts of magic, items empowered by magic and such, and that was before Carla rigged it, and even after the other Faces were activated. it just said to destroy the magic, and it too is ethernanoes which is a contradiction what you claim it to be, Hey I am referencing the different in Real EMPs and Fictional EMPs which Face operates in the former, It was never stated that it needed to be active constantly for it to work, just burst with Face's pulse and all magic on the continent is gone. It does not eliminate the ethernanoes, just magic is disrupted, considering that Face is Ethernanoes too. Zeref's belief is not sufficient enough to do it, otherwise he would have had Igneel kill him before all of the story started and ended it there. You are the one making things up, which would mean that even the Spriggans are the strongest bosses that Fairy Tail ever faced from what hte Story thus far said.

 

[Axiomus]

fresh is relative, unless we see Igneel deliver the hit that knocked Acno to the ground, that is just speculation. Not against something that can strip him of magic, even when he was affected by other magics before, so there is a limit to what he can't be affected by, I looked at the chapter, Lucy never said she is completely out of magic, just that she felt weak, her clothings are a product of magic just like her swords and armor which disappear too. sealing cuffs do not nullify magic power, just makes it unusable. Parent dragons are irrelevant as they can fly naturally and don't require magic for it, Acno's form is a product of magic which is why he felt out of the sky. Pulses have a duration too you know? so it is a long pulse, we see it literally harming the area around it, and destroying all sorts of magic, items empowered by magic and such, and that was before Carla rigged it, and even after the other Faces were activated. it just said to destroy the magic, and it too is ethernanoes which is a contradiction what you claim it to be, Hey I am referencing the different in Real EMPs and Fictional EMPs which Face operates in the former, It was never stated that it needed to be active constantly for it to work, just burst with Face's pulse and all magic on the continent is gone. It does not eliminate the ethernanoes, just magic is disrupted, considering that Face is Ethernanoes too. Zeref's belief is not sufficient enough to do it, otherwise he would have had Igneel kill him before all of the story started and ended it there. You are the one making things up, which would mean that even the Spriggans are the strongest bosses that Fairy Tail ever faced.

We literally see the blood spurting from the cut on Acnologia's chest. Igneel's wounds weren't spraying blood. So either Igneel inflicted heavier wounds on Acnologia than vice-versa, or Acnologia's wounds were fresh. Either way, this lays credibility to Igneel knocking Acnologia down.

Lucy did lose her magic power. Actually, she ran out of magic power earlier in the arc when she used Urano Metria against Jackal. Then she recovered a bit, and then face wiped it all. Star dresses aren't made out of magic. They are clothing with magic in them. Erza's armor never disappeared. It just lost its MP. Erza stayed in her flame pants the entire time.

The parent dragons do matter, because they used magical attacks to destroy face. We can see Skiadrum covered in magical shadows and Weisslogia covered in magical light. Skiadrum even creates a series of explosions. Igneel himself was even still using fire magic. Acnologia would have had more MP left than the parent dragons.

Spoiler: Igneel using fire magic after face's activation

Spoiler: Parent dragon destroying face with magical attacks

Besides, the argument that the parent dragons don't need magic and Acnologia does is fundamentally flawed. The parent dragons need magic much more than Acnologia. They are only alive because of the dragon soul technique, which is magic. They literally dissolve into dust when that magic runs out. Face also never affected Acnologia's dragon form. He still had his wings, which means his ability to fly wasn't affected. If Acnologia had all his magic wiped out by face, he would have reverted to a human form like Nebaru did when Irene took away his magic. Even Mercphobia, a natural born dragon, reverts to his human form when stripped of his magic, so there's no excuse here.

Does face disable magic by overloading the mages with so much magic power that they burn up? If not, then it doesn't behave like an EMP. Now you've made up a meaningless distinction between fictional and real life EMP. EMPs in fiction are based off real life EMPs. If they get it wrong, that means the author did poor research. Anyways, face does not behave in the way you're saying. It's not a single pulse that instantly disables all magic in the continent. We know this because magic wasn't fully wiped from the continent. The christina airship still had some power. The ethernano in the atmosphere was dropping rapidly, but never actually hit zero. Parent dragons could still use magic. Acnologia himself maintained his dragon form, and had enough MP left over to rematch Igneel. Face was something that gradually and constantly wiped out magic. If Alvarez tried to mount an invasion on Ishgal, they would fall under its effects. It's really that simple.

How do you know Zeref didn't ask Igneel to kill him, and Igneel simply refused? Igneel needed Natsu and Zeref alive so that he could time travel and deal with Acnologia. He promised to train Natsu to become strong enough to kill Zeref afterwards, and Zeref happily took the deal.

 

[WoWfan]

Difference, Igneel is a natural Dragon while Acno is a magical dragon, Face's pulse continues till magic is gone from the continent, With Acno's wounds they would still be bleeding even after a while without treatment regardless. Not all of her magic power as it was never stated to be all even at that point, Face did not wipe it all, just that she felt weak, two different things. not before they physically charged into the Faces which would have less affect on their magic. Acno is a magic Dragon so he is affected more than the others, it would as it is magic, it just was not instantaneous and would weaken him, his wings are magical too. Face disrupts the use of magic, just as EMPs disrupt the use of electronics, well we see steam and smoke in areas when Face was activated too, so there is that. Actually no, the manga states that, fictional EMPs have a different use than real life one, correction, the Magic inside the ship was dropping considering that Face pulses with Ethernanos. again, magic is not a requirement for Dragons to fly. Face is just a pulse bomb, once activated even after the pulse ceases, magic will be gone from the continent, that would give Alvarez no opposition to invade, Face would only affect them if they were inside Ishgar when they went off too. Then there is no reason for Zeref to give Natsu to Igneel if he does not comply, thus Natsu would be END and use Curse power, besides, Zeref is crazy, so there is no real way to know what he would say, he even said that they were good friends, and as good friends would help them with Zeref asking Igneel to end his life, Igneel would just find another kid to train, there is no shortage of children running around.

 

[Axiomus]

Yeah....That wall of text is barely coherent, so I'm just going to say my last words and be done with this.

It makes zero difference that Igneel is a natural dragon and that Acnologia isn't. Being a natural dragon doesn't make you more resistant to face. Infact, Acnologia being the Dragon of Magic means he would have better resistance to all types of magic than the parent dragons, including face's magic. The fact that the parent dragons could still use magical attacks to destroy face means that Acnologia would have been able to do the same, if not for the fact he just got injured by Igneel. I've already explained why the parent dragons need magic around more than Acnologia. They need magic power just to stay alive. When their power runs out, their bodies literally just dissolve into dust. Acnologia's dragon form wasn't affected by face, proving that he still had MP. His wings were fine too.

Face's continues to wipe magic for as long as it's active. Otherwise it's useless. If it stops, then the magic will just regenerate naturally. That is exactly what happened when the dragons destroyed it. Even if face works by emitting a series of pulses, those pulses will be active until face is shut off. Which puts us back in square one.

Zeref's entire plan for suicide was for Igneel to teach Natsu to be strong enough to kill him. The only time Zeref actually thought he could die was when Natsu had Igneel's power. Clearly Zeref thinks that Igneel's power could get the job done. My point still still stands. If Acnologia was dead and Igneel told Zeref he was going to leave his power in Natsu's arm, then Zeref would have no reason to start the Alvarez War. They could have figured out a way for the book of END to be rewritten so that Natsu doesn't die, and then Natsu would be free to kill Zeref.

 

[WoWfan]

it makes all the difference, it is not a matter of being a natural dragon for resistance, it is being magical that you are more susceptible to it's affects, as it was proven he can still be affected by magic, just not harmed in the conventional attack kind of way. in fact I am not so sure it what we saw were magical attacks considering that Shadow Dragon passively has shadows on it's natural form, weisslogia, meh considering he just rammed into Faces regardless, and Grandine and Metallicana just rammed into the Faces. Acno being injured did not affect his ability to stop face, it is face that stopped him from stopping face. Actually that is a contradiction for Parent Dragons using Magic which would speed up their deaths, it is better to conserve it, it is a process of the pulse bomb as Acno was losing his Magic like everything else, that explains why he didn't revert back. No, Face continues to wipe magic until the pulse is complete thus Ishgar would lose it's magic forever, Face does not have infinite magic, that is why FH could counter it had it been released. Pulses have a duration, it is not infinite, it would be lost forever when complete and every wizard in Ishgar dies. Zeref's plan was to die yes, which was important for Igneel to kill him if he believed to have the power, which only proves he did not, thus debunking it. Zeref even stated that it was nigh impossible to rewrite END book without being afflicted by it.

 

[Axiomus]

Nonsense. Being a natural dragon doesn't make you more resistant to face's effects, and a dragon slayer-turned-dragon doesn't make you more susceptible to face's effects. This is just something you made up. Face effects everything that uses magic. It effects both Acnologia and the parent dragons equally. When a dragon is completely wiped of their magic power, they revert to a human form. This is true even of natural-born dragons like Mercphobia. Acnologia did not revert to a human form, so we know for a fact that he had enough MP to maintain his dragon form.

Obviously those were magical shadows. Real shadows don't just wrap themselves around a person lol. Skiadrum created a bunch of explosions in that image too. That was definitely magic. The parent dragons destroyed faces with magical attacks. It's super obvious.

There's no contradiction. It was better for the parent dragons to use some of their power to destroy face than to wait until face wipes out all their power. The parent dragons weren't just concerned for their own lives. They were concerned for the lives of the humans too, and wanted to leave the world better off. If they were truly immune to the effects of face and Acnologia wasn't, it would have been far better to wait until Igneel killed Acnologia to start destroying the faces. But that's not what they did. They destroyed face as soon as it activated, knowing full well that Acnologia is a far larger threat than END. That actually proves my point, not yours.

Face doesn't actually do anything to prevent more magic from being generated. It just wipes out the magic that is already there when it's active. Sure, face itself might run out of power, but when that happens everyone on Ishgal would begin to regain their magic. The earth will generate more ethernano, and the mages will absorb it back into their bodies. Either way, Alvarez will be in the exact same boat as Ishgal. Either face is active when they invade, and they need to disable it so that they themselves can actually use magic. Or face's ran out of power, and everyone regained their magic.

Zeref couldn't force Igneel to kill him. Igneel needed Natsu and Zeref alive for his plan to defeat Acnologia. Zeref agreed to that plan on the condition that Igneel would help Natsu become strong enough to kill him. Zeref obviously wanted Igneel's power. That's why he made the deal.

 

[GL_Nova]

She also has her feats which speak far higher than that bs battle just like August's feats did. Erza was getting fodderized by Irene in Wendy's body and while she enchanted by Wendy and then out of nowhere she was able to overpower Irene's Master Enchant with broken bones. Anyone with a sense of reason would know that battle was utter bs. What she has shown in the past and currently are far above what she tried to do in that battle. She is also leagues above people like Brandish who showcased a country level feat with utter ease. Erza vs Irene was incompetent writing due to Mashima writing himself into a corner w/the top S12 and God tiers. The ending was a rushed mess and the only one who can actually consistently fight on that level is Natsu as shown in the 100YQ.

I didn’t say the fight was well done. I said it’s what we have. The argument that every single attack, including from outraged Irene, or August trying to kill Cana, was carefully controlled to be just what their opponent could handle is outrageous. The POF was obvious, but matches the sliding power scale of the series. Which is completely supported by the growth shown by the characters in the sequel. This would be true if they were Acno lvl. They aren’t. They are a step below Zeref. Each admit to being inferior to him as wizards. An no real match for Acnologia either.