Erza being suprised at the power of laxus attack afterwards also supports my claim
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I have seen universe-level Natsu in a FT facebook group. So I wouldn't be surprised.
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I think he did Gildarts dirty. He was the only one who didn't have cool moments like that.
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This should be a new nickname for Natsu.
Base Natsu + DF Wendy > Skullion > Devil Slayer Gray.
Natsu beat Madmole tho.
Alvarez has nothing to do with what is currently happening in the 100YQ. Don't make try to make this a Gray Vs Gajeel or an Invel Vs Bloodman debate.
The interview happened after the whole Aldoron Arc regardless. Mashima knows what happened, and he still made the statement. You're clearly belittling Gajeel.
FP Laxus still took a close W as the concluding result.
Base Natsu and DF Wendy on the boat were overpowering Skullion.Ok, can we see the circumstances ?
In this picture, Wendy countered Skullion Ashes and his habilities to be intangible (Logia sort of One Piece). Natsu could only touch Skullion with Wendy's support as she is currently the best one to resolve Team's troubles. Sure he sent Mardmole as his habilities were greatly reduced on a 2 vs 1.
Can we see the rematch Natsu vs Skullion without Wendy's support ?
Well, same as Base Grey by analogy : but sure Gajeel and Natsu are far stronger than the like or Skullion and Grey
Can we see Mirajane's performance while under adrenaline due to Lisanna's (Gemini) being erase vs Skullion ?
Well, not so much effective, just like Natsu and Grey. Even a fulled rage Mira couldn't physically touch Skullion. She could only dodge and resist for long.
What about the Devil Slayer weakling ?
Well, in my opinion, Grey did well : he could blitz Skullion under water where Mirajane couldn't on the ground, then both used AoE spell on Elmina's size in equal terms and Skullion finished Grey with a named's spell. I can see his performance above adrenaline Mirajane and Base Natsu here as he can't counter or dodge AoE attack in the sea.
You have to take account that this Grey is not his full power. Longer he maintains this Mode, more he loss his mental sanity to enhance his powers : see Invel's description : Invel only tremendeously accelerate the process by forcing him to kill Jubia.
So, yes, the Devil Slayer Grey who fought Base Natsu in Avatar was his lowest power form as he maintained control and played a role.
If you want to see Grey DS full power, let see his fight vs END : Natsu's strength rise with his anger. END was his bloodlust one. The day Gajeel should compete with this Natsu's like, I should take him as a rival.
You like taking Mashima's words but only for your people. Can we see some circumstances of this battle ?
In this fist one, Laxus asked Erza to stop holding back her might. This round was when she used Ice and Fire Blades. Erza took more damage than Laxus as he was going all out with his RL.
They brawled on equal term and their physical strength are on par. Let's continue...
They equally matched in Magic Spell and stopped at same time, empty. If not, why Laxus didn't continue his move to obliterate Erza ?
Laxus won by your statement. Let see :
Well, yea, Erza admitted she was empty and couldn't continue the fight. She accepted her loss. Can we continue just after ?
When Erza explained that she will win next time. Laxus answered "that's my line, I am also out of magic".
So, Laxus admitted himself he didn't win the fight as well. It was a draw.
They are more in equal terms than Natsu and Gajeel were in their last encounter. They are like Gray and END in Albaress or are you saiying Laxus is stronger because Erza felt seconds before and END was stronger because Grey felt seconds before as well ?
I know you like Mashima's statements and you have to, so I agree about that : let see his statements.
- Laxus said it's a draw battle.
- Kyria, as she saw the fight, explained that is was a draw.
- Mashima's couverture put a double KO :
Yes, Laxus woke up far quickly. Circumstances ?
Laxus was KO. Not resting or he is the most silly man in the world as Kyria was still here and wanted to eat him. He woke up not by himself, neither Mirajane, Elfman and some. They were restored, like Jubia was in magic. Or it is really miraculous they woke up all at the same time, when Mira, Elfman and Laxus were clearly out just before.
Conclusion :
- Base Natsu isn't stronger than DS Grey, neither Gajeel is. Performance against Skullion stated this.
- Skullion is still currently unmatch and can't be touch without Wendy's assistance.
- Belserion Erza = RL Laxus (3 statements about the draw) and no Ice and Fire Blades when she decided to go 100% in round 2.
Did you read the scans I post or did you only see the pictures ? Laxus admitted he was out of magic. What happen when that thing happens to a wizard ? He falls KO until restoring. I show the scans why people were restored in Magic while Erza not. Just read them again.
Weakest form in raw power. But the most versatile one in speed, stamina, MP, speed. Still, she was enhance by adrenaline and could only resist, not defeat him. Think that if she was using Alegria instead of Satan Soul, she was certainly out and Elfman as well : in this form she can use an upper raw power but in one shot, same as Lucy's Star Mix Dress. With intangibility, her strike should not pass and then fall out of magic. Having raw power is not necessary the best choice in a fight, especially vs one who can escape and "dodge" attacks.
Well, Wendy + DS Grey > Base Natsu + Wendy > Skullion.
Natsu a solar system buster? SmhI don't really participate in PL much anymore (nor will I much in the future although I change my mind from time to time) but I'll just give my opinion on Natsu Prime Million
@Seven777 @Axiomus @grey matter @Kurumi Tokisaki @Ramen I'll post it here not to derail the thread.
this is how I see it:
this is when Natsu' attack burst out of Aldoron's body
as you can see, Natsu' fire already went through God Seed and up to the sky (take a note of people's reaction) but the God Sedd wasn't overwhelmed complately by that attack... yet.
a panel later and this happens
you can see that God Seed is getting burned and was about to get killed BUT Aldoron's main body is still "fine"
HOWEVER, look again at the bottom of this panel and you'll see that God Seed died
now, let's go to the main event.
in this final panel, you can see that Aldoron dies when his God Seed died (those pillars around Natsu one isn't his and take a note of people's reaction and compared it to the first one and you'll see there is a time frame between the two)
what this means is this (IMO ofc but also Godly more logical than x100,000,000 Natsu):
1. Natsu hits God Seed with his Secret Art and that pillar goes up in the sky
2. God Seed is still alive and you see no other pillar because Aldoron's isn't getting destroyed yet)
3. few seconds later, God Seed gets completely overwhelmed and dies
4. after he dies, all other pillars are popping out of Aldoron (people take notice of this) and Aldoron crumbles
killing brain = dead body = logical
Natsu = millions of time stronger =
besides, Natsu probably wasn't even that deep inside Aldoron so he couldn't hit any of Aldoron's vital point to kill him anyway so why would he die (if he even has one lol other than that brain seed which is trash enough considering he couldn't even beat base Natsu).
another theory is this:
in the video games, armor (durability) is not the same as hit points.
you can have 1000,000,000 hit points but if your armor is 0 and if someone has the attack power of 500,000,000 then he will deal 100% damage of that attack power so two blows will be enough to kill him (taking numbers out of my ass now but you get the point).
so Aldoron's armor (AKA durability dropped significantly) so Natsu' initial FDK punch on nerfed Aldoron would be 10,000,000 hit points.
x10 DF Natsu would mean 100,000,000 which is way more logical.
but I'll go with the first one which makes more sense.
Conclusion: Aldoron died because his main God Seed (his brain) died and not because Natsu became 100,000,000 more powerful LMFAO.
I think even the most hardcore Natsu fans don't believe that.
do you guys know how big a million number is???
Natsu being x10 in DF is already an extreme highball, let alone x10,000,000 or x100,000,000.
do you guys know what a million is, let alone one hundred million???
what is Natsu, a Solar System buster on a whim
THERE IS NO WAY NATSU' POWER INCREASES BY X100,000,000 OR ANY MILLION, HUNDRED, THOUSANDS OR EVEN DOZENS.
at the end of the day, Hiro and Ueda probably put those hit points when they were in the middle of playing PS4 so they thought it would be cool hence you never see any mention of them later on.
besides, this is what Hiro thinks about the fights anyway (from my man @aymen24)
you could literally see Gildarts or any other top tier mage fighting DF Natsu in the next chapter and they will be fine lol.
Hiro does some stuff to look cool like Kyouka vs Erza (WoW, fighting without senses and taking shots while her pain is increased by dozens of time is cool), FH Zeref vs Natsu (OMG he burns time and space without dragonizing even though he was no diff when he was dragonized a few minutes ago is so cool), Erza vs Irene (OMG she smashed down meteor with one hand which was the only part of her body that wasn't broken while all other bones were broken is so cool), Gray vs Invel (OMG he couldn't do anything while demonized but stomps him without it and copies his ice which is cool), Laxus vs Wall (WoW, red color of lightning and killing someone who is immune to lightning is cool) etc even though they are nonsensical.
he thinks it's cool so he creates dumb things like that.
I'm about to Erza this debate.
Good luck, Erza lost her last major battle.I'm about to Erza this debate.
I am well aware of how large a number like 1 million is. I don't assign this figure lightly, so trust me when I say I've thought this through and find the evidence more compelling than the alternatives.
this is how I see it:
this is when Natsu' attack burst out of Aldoron's body
as you can see, Natsu' fire already went through God Seed and up to the sky (take a note of people's reaction) but the God Sedd wasn't overwhelmed complately by that attack... yet.
a panel later and this happens
you can see that God Seed is getting burned and was about to get killed BUT Aldoron's main body is still "fine"
HOWEVER, look again at the bottom of this panel and you'll see that God Seed died
now, let's go to the main event.
in this final panel, you can see that Aldoron dies when his God Seed died (those pillars around Natsu one isn't his and take a note of people's reaction and compared it to the first one and you'll see there is a time frame between the two)
what this means is this (IMO ofc but also Godly more logical than x100,000,000 Natsu):
1. Natsu hits God Seed with his Secret Art and that pillar goes up in the sky
2. God Seed is still alive and you see no other pillar because Aldoron's isn't getting destroyed yet)
3. few seconds later, God Seed gets completely overwhelmed and dies
4. after he dies, all other pillars are popping out of Aldoron (people take notice of this) and Aldoron crumbles
killing brain = dead body = logical
Natsu = millions of time stronger =
besides, Natsu probably wasn't even that deep inside Aldoron so he couldn't hit any of Aldoron's vital point to kill him anyway so why would he die (if he even has one lol other than that brain seed which is trash enough considering he couldn't even beat base Natsu).
20% of 100,000,000 is 20,000,000.
I'll say the same thing here as I did before.Conclusion: Aldoron died because his main God Seed (his brain) died and not because Natsu became 100,000,000 more powerful LMFAO.
I think even the most hardcore Natsu fans don't believe that.
do you guys know how big a million number is???
Natsu being x10 in DF is already an extreme highball, let alone x10,000,000 or x100,000,000.
do you guys know what a million is, let alone one hundred million???
what is Natsu, a Solar System buster on a whim
THERE IS NO WAY NATSU' POWER INCREASES BY X100,000,000 OR ANY MILLION, HUNDRED, THOUSANDS OR EVEN DOZENS.
Superman Prime still solos the FT verse. But okay.Natsu vs Superman Prime 1 million coming soon
So is Natsu if his power skyrockets by 1 Million
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