Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

magic energy, alloys are combinations of two or more metal materials, he did not absorb iron, but carbons, which is a non traditional method of DS, technically around 2% carbon in steel, Gajeel can't eat something artificially made like Steel, but something natural like iron which would have impurities. those magic involve heat such as Etherion and Lightning, spirit king is anime so doesn't count, unless he shows any damage from the lightning, it is the same as before, he just crashed into the ground, then it did not affect him. you would have a broken nose, not fine. anime does not count, even if it did, that would be just physical strength. They literally said that they don't have enough power and even the sphere does not form exactly how it is suppose to be, of course magic would not work under normal conditions, yet he wouldn't know then since the sphere was not complete and he is motion sick. the boat did not distract him, it incapacitated him, that is it's role.

 

[Seven777]

The difference is that Sting shown and stated he can eat both Light and White Magic and is unaffected by them without certain conditions, white is anything holy and light is light magic. It does because claiming she can influence the sky and heavens includes the celestial bodies and spirits, in fact, she could eat Lucy’s celestial magic lol, knowing Natsu he wouldn’t hesitate to try. There, you have proven my point that Wendy only eats air, don’t know where you mean barely, everyone has a limit to how much magic they can contain, she only eats it is if she eats like a dragon slayer, not when she breaths which is basically the same as swallowing air as the manga already stated, if she could eat anything other than air, she could eat Chelia’s healing magic, or Irene’s Enchantments, unless stated and shown, she doesn’t, it does matter, because what her element is air, and that is what they resist and eat, enchantments are not air magic so it can hurt Chelia.

Which proves my point, Sting's element is white, Wendy's element is sky. You don't get to decide that her element is air just because it's convenient to you, like Sting, air is just one aspect of her greater element, Sky. In canon, Wendy's magic is Sky Dragon Slaying magic, that's it. You claiming that it's only air is entirely your own headcanon, it's not real. He Roar is SKY dragon roar, her secret art is Sky drill, her healing magic is Sky magic. This has always been the case, As for everything else, Wendy barely eats air to power up, and she has access to it literally all the time, she could power up every fight, she doesn't, so whether she can or can't eat stars or whatever else means pretty much nothing.

 

[Axiomus]

magic energy, alloys are combinations of two or more metal materials, he did not absorb iron, but carbons, which is a non traditional method of DS, technically around 2% carbon in steel, Gajeel can't eat something artificially made like Steel, but something natural like iron which would have impurities. those magic involve heat such as Etherion and Lightning, spirit king is anime so doesn't count, unless he shows any damage from the lightning, it is the same as before, he just crashed into the ground, then it did not affect him. you would have a broken nose, not fine. anime does not count, even if it did, that would be just physical strength. They literally said that they don't have enough power and even the sphere does not form exactly how it is suppose to be, of course magic would not work under normal conditions, yet he wouldn't know then since the sphere was not complete and he is motion sick. the boat did not distract him, it incapacitated him, that is it's role.

Magical energy? Adding magical energy to air or fire doesn't stop it from being air or fire.

There's nothing that says slayers can't eat something that is made artificially. Gajeel can eat steel because steel is like 99% iron. Sorry, 98%. Lol. He has no problem absorbing carbon through his skin to make steel, so he should have no problem eating it. Heck, Gajeel eats carbon every time he eats food lol. Life is carbon-based.

Etherion doesn't contain any heat. It's a piece of rock. It's a combination of all sorts of magic, not just fire magic. Natsu screamed in pain. That shows he was hurt. It doesn't matter if he was fine afterwards. He was feeling pain in the moment. Been punched before. Never gotten a broken nose.

They didn't have enough power to stop Acnologia. It was still as powerful as the one they used on Tenrou Island, and would have put anyone who wasn't Acno in stasis. But anyways, the boat did not incapacitate him. He got right back up and started smashing the sphere.

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Btw, Acno's spirit is connected to his body. So we can actually tell the exact moment Acno felt the effects of Fairy Sphere based on when his spirit felt it. His spirit only felt the effects of Sphere when the continent linked together.

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And now that I think about it....Fairy Sphere puts everything inside it in suspended animation. That would include the boat and the waves. Motion sickness wouldn't even have been a factor. Everything would have just been stuck in place.

 

[GL_Nova]

Who is the strongest BDK?? I’m going with Kirin now based on the beats their based on.

 

[WoWfan]

7, Correction Sting’s element is both white and light, while Wendy’s element is air since she is only confirmed to eat Air, show me actual proof she can eat anything other than air, and not just assumptions, I don’t the manga stated it for Me multiple times by both others, people close to her and info cards and not once show or stated she can eat anything else, which it does repeatedly. Her roar and drill is air as Chelia stated, even the wikia has her stated to utilize air, sky is a location, not an element, her healing magic is healing arts which is an application of sky magic. She eats air to the point it makes it hard to breath for others, she could literally kill anyone with that, wat? she doesn’t because she is a child and doesn’t like to fight and has a limited capacity for magic as well, as well as/or CIS considering that she doesn’t eat when it matters.

Ax, It gives it another factor to the spell which makes the slayer unable to stop it, If it artificially that makes it distinct from their element then it is different yet he was never shown to eat steel, yet you said it was iron he absorbed through the skin Since he can’t make steel until after, carbon alone is not the same as steel, just like iron alone is not the same as steel. the only real reason it would work anyways it the magic anyway. Etherion is stated to contain every type of element including fire, which has heat, nope, that is the lacrima of ToH that contains The etherion, he screamed when he was falling to hit the ground, yes you would. nope, it was not as powerful as it was not completely formed as the images you provided prorved, no markings, the Boat did as he was still under the affect of MS, just like any DS is even after leaving the vehicle as it drains their strenght. so? Don’t see what that moment has to do with anything. Wrong, as the sphere was incomplete, it was only complete after the continent’s aid, Motion Sickness is still a factor because it cancels his ability to be unaffected by the spell,

 

[Hexbend]

Who is the strongest BDK?? I’m going with Kirin now based on the beats their based on.

Same Kirin looking mighty menacing with that coffin

 

[Axiomus]

No it doesn't. Enchanting air so that it hits harder doesnt change the fact that it's still air. It's not like adding a property to an element has ever prevented a slayer from eating an element. We've seen Natsu eat fires with a bunch of different magical properties. We've seen Wendy eat air saturated by face's ethernano. In fact, dragon slayers arent even limited by their element in what they can eat. Natsu has eaten lightning, Gajeel and Sting have eaten shadows.

Gajeel could eat sword a made out of steel. Gajeel absorbed carbon through his to make his own steel, so there's absolutely no reason he cant eat a piece of steel thats 98% iron. Pointing out my typos doesnt change this. Steel is almost all iron with trace amounts of carbon. This is why I asked you if you know what an alloy actually is lol. An alloy is not a molecule. The iron and carbon aren't chemically bonded to create a compound. They are mechanically mixed. Steel is to iron what icecream is to milk. You can argue that you're adding more ingredients to create icecream, but it's still over 95% milk.

Etherion contains every type of magic, but the chunk of etherion that Natsu ate was in a crystal and had no heat. The anime are just as canon as the movies, especially since Key of the Starry Night arc was one that Mashima storyboarded himself and the events in that specifically referenced by Yukino. Natsu screamed from the pain of Tempester's lightning. Can we also take a moment to appreciate the fact that you think that fire and lightning and etherion is similar enough so that they can be both eaten by a fire dragon slayer despite the fact that the manga treats them as compleyely separate types of magic,
but you dont think Chelia can eat something that is 100% sky magic.

So? We never saw the symbol form completely form when Acno roared at them in Tenrou either. But it doesnt even matter. Acno said that magic doesnt effect him while he was still on the boat, which means motion sickness didnt negate his immunity. His spirit was tied to his body, and his spirit only felt the effects of Fairy Sphere after the continent linked up. If motion sickness got rid of Acno's immunity to magic, then the spirit would have realized it when it happened. Instead, the dragon body jumped up and started slamming Fairy Sphere while telling us magic still doesn't work on him

 

[WoWfan]

Etherion contains every type of magic, but the chunk of etherion that Natsu ate was in a crystal and had no heat.

Yes it does, as it still has the magic power behind her air attacks, which is apart from air. and yet it doesn't, Chelia doesn't eat Wendy's air magic, Natsu eats fire magic he can handle, if he doesn't it requires a different method, it is no different from Etherion and Natsu as they both suffer from side effects, Natsu has eaten lightning before Tenrou but he suffered from it, not got stronger, why Gajeel and Sting haven't felt the same is likely PIS, or they are simply better than Natsu when it comes to that. Yet he did not eat a sword made of steel. don't recall anything about typos, Steel is not like Iron, it a refined process to remove impurities with adding Carbon as well, Iron is just Iron. that is something you failed to mention, that is what I said before, man made, and just like milk, mammals can produce it, but can't produce icecream, and even bad for you to have, while milk is good, it doesn't matter if it is contained in a crystal which was temporary anyway, it has heat regardless what you believe, Spirit King power was not in Key of the Starry Night, and even the anime changes things from the manga that weren't present in the manga that disrupts the continuity, and even changes what characters can and can't do, doesn't show any injuries from Natsu tho, he was just falling. you mean how Fire and Lightning are both hot and has plasma ionized gas, yeah, they both has similar aspects, and let us appreciate you completely disregarding the fact that Etherion is stated to have fire inside of it, so much for you claiming to use the source, the difference is Enchantments are not air magic like what Chelia clearly uses for combat. Acno's blast cover the entire island which would mean the sphere was hiding behind it, it actually does matter, and yet he wouldn't know that when he was MS and the sphere was incomplete, as Natsu was legit worried as he was about to be hurt by Totomaru's spell as well when he was MS. MS is a physical phenomenon, no reason for it to affect the soul.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Who is the strongest BDK?? I’m going with Kirin now based on the beats their based on.

The female just cause of who she is based on. Probably Suzaku cause he is very relevant story wise.

 

[Axiomus]

Yes it does, as it still has the magic power behind her air attacks, which is apart from air. and yet it doesn't, Chelia doesn't eat Wendy's air magic, Natsu eats fire magic he can handle, if he doesn't it requires a different method, it is no different from Etherion and Natsu as they both suffer from side effects, Natsu has eaten lightning before Tenrou but he suffered from it, not got stronger, why Gajeel and Sting haven't felt the same is likely PIS, or they are simply better than Natsu when it comes to that. Yet he did not eat a sword made of steel. don't recall anything about typos, Steel is not like Iron, it a refined process to remove impurities with adding Carbon as well, Iron is just Iron. that is something you failed to mention, that is what I said before, man made, and just like milk, mammals can produce it, but can't produce icecream, and even bad for you to have, while milk is good, it doesn't matter if it is contained in a crystal which was temporary anyway, it has heat regardless what you believe, Spirit King power was not in Key of the Starry Night, and even the anime changes things from the manga that weren't present in the manga that disrupts the continuity, and even changes what characters can and can't do, doesn't show any injuries from Natsu tho, he was just falling. you mean how Fire and Lightning are both hot and has plasma ionized gas, yeah, they both has similar aspects, and let us appreciate you completely disregarding the fact that Etherion is stated to have fire inside of it, so much for you claiming to use the source, the difference is Enchantments are not air magic like what Chelia clearly uses for combat. Acno's blast cover the entire island which would mean the sphere was hiding behind it, it actually does matter, and yet he wouldn't know that when he was MS and the sphere was incomplete, as Natsu was legit worried as he was about to be hurt by Totomaru's spell as well when he was MS. MS is a physical phenomenon, no reason for it to affect the soul.

Adding magical power to air doesn't stop it from being air lmao. Adding magical power to air magic just makes that air magic more powerful. Which coincidentally is EXACTLY what Arms does.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that you don't actually know what steel is. Steel is an alloy of iron. It's literally 98-99% iron. That's just a fact. Do you even know what impurities is actually referring to? When you find iron ore in nature, that ore is often full of material that is not iron. That's the impurity. When you refine iron ore, you're trying to get rid of those non-iron impurities. Refining literally makes the iron more pure, lmao. It doesn't even make sense to talk about steel and iron as separate things. Chemically speaking, steel is just a chunk of iron with carbon impurities. Steel is a layman's term. It is an arbitrary, non-scientific definition. Steel is just a term we used to talk about iron alloys with carbon impurities within a certain range. Cast iron, for example, has higher carbon content than steel. It's just not called steel because the higher carbon content makes it too hard and rigid.

Are you seriously going to argue that ice-cream isn't really just mostly made out of milk?

I wasn't talking about the Natsu eating the Spirit's King's power there. I was talking Laxus beating Natsu, which was in the starry night arc. Natsu being able to eat the spirit king's power is less of a leap than him eating etherion anyways. I never said etherion didn't have fire magic inside it. It what it didn't have was heat. If it was hot, they would feel it. The crystal wasn't hot. Besides, etherion also has ice magic and all sorts of magic that would cancel out heat. There is far less fire magic in etherion than there is wind in Wendy's secret art lol. If Natsu can eat a chunk of etherion, there's absolutely no reason why Chelia couldn't eat Wendy's attacks lol.

Like I said, Acno isn't beginning of series Natsu. He said magic doesn't work on him even though he was still on the boat and motion sick. This discussion should have honestly ended at that.

 

[WoWfan]

It doesn’t but it doesn’t make It only air anymore then as it has another magic added, that is not what Arms does, you can already add magic power to a spell to make it stronger anyway Without Enchantments. And yet you claim it is something that Gajeel can eat which it can’t and just because it has impurities doesn’t make it not iron still, just as removing them and refining it with carbon makes it steel, All steel contains iron, but it also contains carbon. The addition of carbon is what distinguishes iron from steel. By weight, steel contains about 2.14% carbon. Although that’s a relatively small amount of carbon, it results in significant physical changes. Steel, for example, is both harder and stronger than pure iron. And unlike iron, steel isn’t an essential mineral. You don’t need to consume steel as part of your diet lol, in fact, that example of Gajeel being hurt by a steel sword supports what I said about Wendy with wind and enchantments. I am arguing the inability to produce ice cream naturally without artific means from yourself, Laxus just hit him, and that’s it, DS aren’t immune to physical strength. Fire literally contains heat, it is indistinguishable from each other, it doesn’t matter what state it is in crystal form, fire has heat, it is just mixed in with other elements, just like ice magic would be cold which would still be there too, or water, or earth or anything else of that nature, no les enough to get Natsu into dragon force, lol, Chelia still can’t eat enchantments, that wasn’t beginning of series Natsu, that was time skip

 

[Axiomus]

It's still just air that Wendy is attacking with lol. The enchantment only makes the air hit harder. Wendy isn't actually hitting Chelia with anything other than air. Arms by itself can't even hit people. It simply enhances the strength of someone's attacks.

Oh, good lord. You really don't understand that steel is an alloy of iron, do you? Most of the steel that you will ever see in your life contains less than 1% carbon. High carbon steel, such as the ones used to make swords, have around 1% carbon. 1095 carbon steel, for example, has 0.95% carbon content. Yeah sure, you can get steel with 2.1% carbon content. I'm not sure why that matters. You wouldn't want to make swords out of them anyways. Carbon increases the hardness of the alloy at the expense of ductile strength. If you add too much carbon, the alloy becomes brittle. Using steel with that much carbon content just makes your swords brittle. Steel is just a name people use to call iron alloys with a specific range carbon content. Once you get above 2.1% carbon content, people just start calling the alloy cast iron again. But whatever, if you're really that concerned about bumping up the percentage of carbon in steel, I'll give you a whole 10%. Doesn't change what I'm saying in the slightest: Gajeel has the means of literally absorbing carbon through his skin to make his own steel. Why on earth would he not be able to eat a steel sword, especially when steel is 90%+ iron and carbon isn't even dangerous to consume?

Laxus hit Natsu with lightning. We see the yellow flash and all.

Totamaru happened during Phantom Lord. That's beginning of series, before any timeskip.

Lmao. There's no heat because the crystal isn't hot. Natsu didn't just absorb the fire from etherion. He absorbed all of it's magic power. All different types of magic there. Wendy's sky dragon claw and secret art aren't enchantments. Again, etherion has a bunch of different magics and Natsu can still eat it. Heck, there's probably even enchantment magic mixed somewhere in there. Why wouldn't Chelia be able to eat a sky dragon slayer attack, even if it was enchanted?

 

[WoWfan]

air with the other magic power, enchantment is magic power, she is hitting Chelia with other magic power. Arms is not air, but magic power. you don’t understand that steel is it’s own thing, hence what the source of the sentence describes. The addition of carbon is stated to be what distinguishes iron from steel. steel would still be around 2.14% carbon. percentage does not matter in the slightest, the change is significant. Steel, for example, is both harder and stronger than iron in whatever form it takes. absorbing carbons is not the same as creating more iron, it just transforms iron into steel, doesn’t make him resistant to steel before that process. It is kind of no different from fusion summoning in yugioh, both distinct monsters becoming their own entity while having the benefits of both. Yet Natsu was finished by a physical punch, no proof that the lighting electrocuted him, no difference from beginning of series, his condition did not change. it doesn’t matter what you think, if there’s fire then there is heat, regardless in whatever amount, it did have enchantment, no evidence that it didn’t nor gone, which he became sick afterward because of it’s nature, so what if it has enchantment, it still made him sick, Chelia likely can’t since enchantment is not air magic and would get sick as well.

 

[Axiomus]

No lol. She's hitting Chelia with air, as part of her sky magic. The enchantment, also sky magic, is making her air hit harder. Wendy gets all her magic power from the air anyways, that includes the magic power required to use enchantments. Also Chelia wouldn't get sick eating an Wendy's enchantments, because Chelia is not an air god slayer. She's a sky god slayer, and Wendy's enchantments are sky magic.

If you're not going to bother to learn how steel actually works, then there's no point in discussing this with you. Steel is an alloy of iron. The carbon content ranges from 0.005% carbon content to around 2%. Or 2.14%. Whatever. 0.14% makes no difference. Either way, steel is still over 90% iron. The creation of steel is NOTHING like fusion summoning in Yugioh. I mean - you know what? You win. I give up.

 

[WoWfan]

air and magic energy, sky is just collective term talked to several people, it is just air that she utilizes for combat, consumption and immunity, they are only is unaffected by conventional air magic, enchantments are not made of air, otherwise everyone would have them not just Wendy or Chelia. if you are not going to bother to the difference between Steel and Iron, then whatever, even sources say that percentage does not matter for the alloy as the properties do change regardless, iron is an element, and steel is an alloy which the latter has more applications that the other can’t, https://www.britannica.com/technology/steel. okay, not a matter of winning or losing.

 

[Axiomus]

air and magic energy, sky is just collective term talked to several people, it is just air that she utilizes for combat, consumption and immunity, they are only is unaffected by conventional air magic, enchantments are not made of air, otherwise everyone would have them not just Wendy or Chelia. if you are not going to bother to the difference between Steel and Iron, then whatever, even sources say that percentage does not matter for the alloy as the properties do change regardless, iron is an element, and steel is an alloy which the former has more applications that the other can’t, https://www.britannica.com/technology/steel. okay, not a matter of winning or losing.

Sky magic is the element that both Wendy and Chelia use. They don't use air magic. They use sky magic.

The article you posted is saying the exact same thing I'm saying. Literally the first sentence it says is:

"Steel, alloy of iron and carbon in which the carbon content ranges up to 2 percent (with a higher carbon content, the material is defined as cast iron)."

Steel is an alloy of iron that has below 2% carbon content. Go above that, and we just call the alloy cast iron. Or pig iron. I honestly don't know how else to explain it. Steel is iron with carbon particles in it. Steel is physically made up of 98% iron atoms. The only difference between steel and pure iron is the arrangement of those iron atoms, and that has to do with how the carbon impurities affects how the iron crystallizes. None of this should even matter. The fact that steel is 98% iron should clue you in as to why Gajeel can eat it.

 

[WoWfan]

Sky magic is a group of other Magics, the element they use is air, which they say throughout the series. You seem to be missing the bits where it says “In its pure form, iron is soft and generally not useful as an engineering material; the principal method of strengthening it and converting it into steel is by adding small amounts of carbon.” Convert, meaning to change, to become something else, besides that you are missing the point entirely From how this all began.

 

[Axiomus]

No. Sky magic is the type of magic that sky dragons and sky gods use. The magic that Wendy and Chelia get their powers from.


Introduction to Iron and Steel. And I quote:

"Strictly speaking, steel is just another type of iron alloy, but it has a much lower carbon content than cast and wrought iron and other metals are often added to give it extra properties. Steel is such an amazingly useful material that we tend to talk about it as though it were a metal in its own right—a kind of sleeker, more modern "son of iron" that's taken over the family firm! It's important to remember two things, however. First, steel is still essentially (and overwhelmingly) made from iron."

The iron in steel is still iron. Steel is an alloy. It is a mechanical mixture, not a chemical compound. It still has all the chemical properties of iron (and trace amounts of carbon). The only thing that changes is the mechanical structure of those iron atoms. Nobody is contesting that steel is much harder and stronger than pure iron. That's still doesn't change the fact that steel is an alloy of iron, and the overwhelming majority of it's atoms are iron atoms. Steel is literally physically made out of iron. Please try to wrap your head around what steel actually is. It's not a yugioh card. It's a physical mixture of iron metal and carbon particles.

 

[WoWfan]

Sky Magic is just a collection of other magics, air is what they use and eat, that is all
And from here: The primary difference between steel and metal is that iron is an element while steel is considered an alloy that comprises both iron and carbon. Once you have steel, you can also add various other metals to it to produce other alloys – for instance, chromium added to steel will produce stainless steel alloy. And As we noted above, steel is actually derived directly from iron. Iron containing under 2 percent of carbon in this conversation is called steel, and iron that contains over this amount is known as pig iron. Pig iron can be further processed to reduce the carbon percentage, and this can help you obtain steel. From here, as we mentioned, steel can be processed further to obtain various new alloy types.
It doesn’t change the fact that Iron even as a chemical compound changes when adding other compounds to it to become something else regardless of what it was or what it would be, that is why it still has the properties but by change alone is not traditional iron but Steel.

 

[Axiomus]

Sky magic is a type of magic in and of itself.

Yeah, once again... That's exactly what I'm saying. That, once again, steel is an alloy of iron. At this point, I'm convinced you just don't understand what an alloy is.