Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Sky Magic is a group of magics that, the healing and enchantments are separate from air magic in terms of arts of Sky Magic, enchantments are not exclusive to the sky dragon you know, just as any other enchanter proved. except there is no statement of levels of pollution, just air pollution in general, pollen is part of air pollution, making it a hazard, air pollution is caused by solid and liquid particles and certain gases that are suspended in the air, it wasn't a matter of being too polluted it still, besides that, why didn't she just clear away the pollen before falling asleep? that enchantments would protect her from the pollens and that allowed her to use her air magic. Gajeel eating shadows does not prove anything for conventional means of eating if it only gives the user dual elements, yet we do not see him eat it in the manga, so, yet he is not converting it to magic power so that he can make more iron. Natsu was worried about being attacked in that state, so Totamaru would know that it would affect him, being the strongest does not prevent him from getting MS, It was only for a brief moment and his flames burned out which is stated they do not by Zancrow, just like Acno, it is a matter of will even in a weakened state. MS still affects him non the less, and Lucy was even wrong about that (sort of) as he could still break incomplete FS, so don't take that into consideration of being a "distraction".

 

[Axiomus]

Sky Magic is a type of magic in and of itself. Wendy's enchantments and healing comes from the power she absorbs from the air. Of course enchantments as whole aren't exclusive to sky magic. However, all the enchantments from Sky Dragon Slaying Magic, like arms and vernier, are exclusive to sky magic. Grandeeney's enchantments isn't something she went out of her way to learn. They are natural abilities she was born with as the sky dragon.

Cosmo's pollen didn't pollute the air to Wendy couldn't use magic, or even just use her wind attack. The pollen just made Wendy sleepy. Wendy used re-raise to cure herself of the sleepiness, which does nothing to get rid of the pollen around her. Then used wind to blow the pollen away, which means the pollen never polluted the air to the point Wendy couldn't use wind. At no point was Wendy unable to use wind, but still able to use enchant.

Lol the very fact that Gajeel can eat shadows means that he can eat magic that isn't iron. Dual element isn't even a real thing. It's made up by the fans. Find me just one panel of the term "dual elements" showing up anywhere in the manga. There's no rule saying that "shadow creates dual elements, and therefore a dragon slayer can eat it". That's something you're making up as an excuse. It's a completely backwards way of thinking. Dragon Slayers can eat any element they want, so long as they have a strong enough will. Gajeel can eat shadows, which has nothing to do with iron. Gajeel can absorb carbon to create steel. Gajeel can eat carbon as part of the food he eats on a constant basis. Gajeel can eat iron. Steel is carbon and steel. There is absolutely zero reason why Gajeel cannot eat steel to absorb the iron in it.

Acnologia is the strongest dragon slayer in existence, so of course he should understand better than anyone whether motion sickness takes away his immunity to magic. And he says it doesn't. Totamaru is a nobody that thought that he could take advantage of Natsu because the latter was throwing up. Natsu's expression doesn't imply that he's scared of Totamaru's attack. For all we know, Natsu was scared that Totamaru's flames was going to smell like shit again.

The manga goes out of it's way to explain that the boat was there to be a distraction for Lucy to cast Fairy Sphere, and that the reason why Fairy Sphere works on Acnologia is because it's a magic that uses bonds that even Acnologia can't destroy.

 

[WoWfan]

A Type of Magic with other magics such as arts, Enchantments and Healing are their own power as they are not air element related, and yet she uses Deus enchantments too before others use it. even healing magic which was shown to be used by others, nothing stated that they are exclusive, nothing really stated they are born with it, since it can be taught too. yes she did, Wendy was surrounded in it, that is how it works by filling the air with particulates which pollutes it, Re-Raise protects herself from the pollen which prevents her from not being able to use her air magic, she was simply using her Sky Drill after re-raise, nothing about pollen, but flowers themselves, that is right, enchant and not air in fact, she was encased in a crystal where there would be no way to have access to air as well. if he can eat any other magic, why didn't he? he just has one which is a dual element mode, there is no rule stating that they can eat any element they one to fuse their elements together to make a new mode, so far we have only one per slayer. Gajeel basically has alchemic abilities, which he didn't eat but absorbed through the skin, yet he doesn't get power for it nor creates Steel from it, yet we do not see him eat it. And yet he doesn't show knowledge of generations or other dragons in the world, if it didn't then he would have broken out of the sphere when it was incomplete, yet didn't. Totamaru is in a guild that has a DS, that is a big assumption since it is the most deadly spell and since he can't be immune too would be a clear reason to be afraid, and yet Acno can crack it even when under MS, so she is wrong.

 

[Axiomus]

Sky magic is its own type of magic. Grandeeney's healing and enchantments is 100% a part of her biology. Wendy's enchantments and healing comes from her dragon slaying magic, and dragon slaying magic involves changing your body to the constitution of a dragon. Wendy is only able to heal and enchant because Grandeeney's biology naturally allows for it. Arms and Vernier are exclusive to Wendy (and Grandeeney) because it's part of her sky dragon slaying magic, as well as any enchantments that Wendy didn't learn off Irene. Show me one other person that can use enchantments that only Wendy has shown.

The guild card doesn't say that Wendy can't use magic when she's sleepy. The guild card says that she can't use magic if the air is polluted. Re-raise only prevents Wendy from getting sleepy from the pollen. It does nothing to the pollen in the air. Wendy used wind to blow away the flowers in while the pollen was still in the air. That proves right there that the pollen didn't pollute the air enough stop Wendy from using air. What crystal? You mean Cosmos' flower? That doesn't pollute the air. It's never said that Wendy needs to make direct contact physical contact with the air. The air around just needs to be clean for her to draw power from it. Anyways, it doesn't matter. ALL of Wendy's magic that she learned from Grandeeney counts as sky magic, and ALL of sky magic draws power from the air.

Lol....You do realize that Gajeel didn't have Iron-Shadow Dragon Mode until after he ate Rogue's shadow right? He ate magic that's different from iron. That right there is proof that dragon slayers aren't limited by their original element. Now Gajeel has alchemy too? No dude. He absorbed carbon particles into his skin and combined it with his iron to make steel. That's not alchemy. There's absolutely no reason Gajeel can't eat a piece of steel. He can eat iron and he can eat carbon, and steel is just a mix of those 2.

Gajeel didn't even have motion sickness when he was in Phantom Lord. That's something you developed as you get better at dragon slaying magic, and Gajeel only developed it after training for the GMG. The first time he experienced it was on the chariot, and he even said that he was always fine on moving vehicles before that. So yeah....Strongest dragon slayer and wizard of all time versus a nobody who hung out with an underdeveloped dragon slayer. The manga goes out of it's way to tell us that the boat is just gunna make Acnologia sick for a while, and that it is the power of the friendship that they're betting on. They literally lay this out beat by beat while they're plotting to beat Acnologia, and you're still digging around around for statements that some fodder made towards Natsu. Acnologia breaking Fairy Sphere just means that Fairy Tail alone doesn't have enough POF. You need the whole continent.

 

[WoWfan]

Sky magic possesses multiple magics, and yet other people can use healing magic and enchantments too besides Wendy and Grandeeney, nothing stated that they are exclusive, yet Irene knows them anyway which only shows they are not exclusive and that is enough. Guild Card says her power comes from air, if she is inside a confined crystal then she is basically cut off from air, Re-raise protects her from the pollen which basically allows her to use air magic in the area, she used Sky Drill, it just shows how insignificant her powers are to Wendy. No, to Acnologia’s, from above. Still no difference situation, the guild card did not state it has to be enough, just that it is there, you still have not proven why Wendy did not use air magic before falling asleep. Sky Magic is different arts, one of them is air magic. What does that even mean? That means he can get dual element mode just like Natsu, nothing about eating elements other than his own to restore his magic power and stamina. Yes, he ait Ievy’s iron or iron platting, etc., that is about it, that is basically alchemy or what ever which transforms matter just like Wall did, which he did when he combined carbon with his iron, yet he was never shown to do it, did not show any carbon eating either, so no. oh, meant to get rid of that, stupid loading system, anyway, Strongest DS doesn’t know everything, and even Totamaru was part of the guild that rivaled FT at the beginning of the series, for a while is relative for how long you stay on the boat, and yet it was magic energy that does that in the end, and that “fodder” was going to beat Natsu before the others arrived, again FS was incomplete too With limited energy

 

[Seven777]

White is basically the combination of all colors, how do you know the arrow was white when it doesn’t show any color? using the anime logic, it is grey. Research, in one theological study, arrows usually are represented by Cupid for love and desire. Her air magic did not work in polluted air areas, yet her enchantments did, so that is a difference between the two, her element is air as stated multiple times, sky is definitely poetic especially when she is influenced by others like Jellal. Her enchantments and healing are definitely not air magic just part of sky magic, he died when he was MS.

So?
Because Sting ate it. It was also white in the anime.
Research? Cupid? This is the most random, most stupid point I've heard from you yet. Arrows are holy because you did research and found cupid? Lmao. If we're going by that kind of bullshit we might as well say Sting can eat God magic and literal gods too, since they're supposedly holy.
Name the instance Wendy's air didn't work in polluted areas.
Her element is sky, she's the sky dragon slayer, there's nothing poetic about her using sky power when she's literally called the sky dragon slayer. If we're going to go ahead and just claim Mashima using sky is poetry, then by your own very logic, all the magic that falls under sky magic like Arms and Vernier are just air magic, because using "Sky" is just Mashima being poetic
Indeed he did, proving definitively that slayers aren't immune to their element, merely resistant

 

[WoWfan]

So?
Because Sting ate it. It was also white in the anime.
Research? Cupid? This is the most random, most stupid point I've heard from you yet. Arrows are holy because you did research and found cupid? Lmao. If we're going by that kind of bullshit we might as well say Sting can eat God magic and literal gods too, since they're supposedly holy.
Name the instance Wendy's air didn't work in polluted areas.
Her element is sky, she's the sky dragon slayer, there's nothing poetic about her using sky power when she's literally called the sky dragon slayer. By that logic sky magic itself is poetic, and all the magic that falls under it like Arms and Vernier are just air magic.
Indeed he did, proving definitively that slayers aren't immune to their element, merely resistant

Wrong, it is grey as contrast to his white teeth, How can arrows be just sacred when I did research when they already were by different cultures? That makes even less sense. Arrows can be represented as strength and perseverance, and considering he ate magic around sex, the Cupid arrow symbolism is not that far off. He pretty much could when given the opportunity. Wendy could not use Air magic when cosmos polluted the air with spores. It is pretty poetic already how the series treats it when they stated constantly that her element is air. Again, MS nulled his immunity hence he was defeated conventionally.

 

[Seven777]

Wrong, it is grey as contrast to his white teeth, How can arrows be just sacred when I did research when they already were by different cultures? That makes even less sense. Arrows can be represented as strength and perseverance, and considering he ate magic around sex, the Cupid arrow symbolism is not that far off. He pretty much could when given the opportunity. Wendy could not use Air magic when cosmos polluted the air with spores. It is pretty poetic already how the series treats it when they stated constantly that her element is air. Again, MS nulled his immunity hence he was defeated conventionally.

You're being pedantic, both are white, just like ivory and pearls are both white. Not exactly the same, both white none the less.
Because your research and different cultures don't mean anything to the world of Fairy Tail? Besides, cupid is pretty damn far off from holy.
Yes she could, she literally uses wind to blow away the spores
Which means all Sky magic is air then if it's just poetry.
No it didn't, motion sickness doesn't nullify immunity

 

[WoWfan]

You're being pedantic, both are white, just like ivory and pearls are both white. Not exactly the same, both white none the less.
Because your research and different cultures don't mean anything to the world of Fairy Tail? Besides, cupid is pretty damn far off from holy.
Yes she could, she literally uses wind to blow away the spores
Which means all Sky magic is air then if it's just poetry.
No it didn't, motion sickness doesn't nullify immunity

Your comment about being pedantic is basically admitting that the arrow not white, but I will forgive you for the assumingely intended insult. White is the teeth, grey is the arrows, even the clouds show the difference in color of the arrow. When the FT world even believes in God, so no really difference in culture even in references too. Actually Cupid is part of the Greco-Roman pantheon. Sky magic referring to multiple Magics including air magic, yeah, MS does null immunity.

 

[Axiomus]

Sky magic possesses multiple magics, and yet other people can use healing magic and enchantments too besides Wendy and Grandeeney, nothing stated that they are exclusive, yet Irene knows them anyway which only shows they are not exclusive and that is enough. Guild Card says her power comes from air, if she is inside a confined crystal then she is basically cut off from air, Re-raise protects her from the pollen which basically allows her to use air magic in the area, she used Sky Drill, it just shows how insignificant her powers are to Wendy. No, to Acnologia’s, from above. Still no difference situation, the guild card did not state it has to be enough, just that it is there, you still have not proven why Wendy did not use air magic before falling asleep. Sky Magic is different arts, one of them is air magic. What does that even mean? That means he can get dual element mode just like Natsu, nothing about eating elements other than his own to restore his magic power and stamina. Yes, he ait Ievy’s iron or iron platting, etc., that is about it, that is basically alchemy or what ever which transforms matter just like Wall did, which he did when he combined carbon with his iron, yet he was never shown to do it, did not show any carbon eating either, so no. oh, meant to get rid of that, stupid loading system, anyway, Strongest DS doesn’t know everything, and even Totamaru was part of the guild that rivaled FT at the beginning of the series, for a while is relative for how long you stay on the boat, and yet it was magic energy that does that in the end, and that “fodder” was going to beat Natsu before the others arrived, again FS was incomplete too With limited energy

Sky magic is one type of magic. It's magic that draws power from air, which they can use for enchantments or healing. The only other person that knows how to do this is Chelia, and she uses sky magic too. Irene doesn't know arms, vernier, or any of the spells that Wendy used prior to Alvarez. It doesn't even matter if other people can use enchantments or heal. Other people don't draw power from the air to do that, which is the hallmark of sky magic that Wendy and Chelia use. Wendy doesn't have to be physically touching air to draw power from the air. The air around them just needs to be clean. Protecting Wendy from pollen just prevents Wendy from being sleepy. It doesn't get rid of the pollen in the air. Re-raise wasn't what allowed Wendy to use magic. Cosmos never stopped Wendy from using magic in the first place.

No character in the manga has even spoken the words "dual element". That's something the fans made up. There is no rule in the manga that says "a dragon slayer can eat magic that is not part of their element if it creates a dual element mode". That's something you made up. Gajeel being able to eat shadows means that he can eat magic other than iron. Sting eating shadows means he can eat magic other than white. Natsu eating lightning means he can eat magic other than fire. 3 separate examples of dragon slayers eating elements other than their original elements. Dragon slayers are not limited to their elements in what they can eat, and what they can eat do not determine what their bodies are resistant to.

Creating steel from mixing iron and carbon isn't alchemy. Alchemy in real life refers to turning one element into another, which is impossible without fusion or fission. Alchemy in Fairy Tail is a specific type of magic. One that Gajeel doesn't have. Gajeel eats carbon every time he consumes food.

Gajeel never had motion sickness when he was part of Phantom Lord. That was something he developed after he trained for the GMG. So Totamaru knew jack squat about how motion sickness affects dragon slayers. He literally just guessed that Natsu would be vulnerable because he was throwing up. Acnologia is the greatest wizard of all time, and the strongest dragon slayer in existence, and he said that magic didn't work on him even though he was on a boat. Literally the greatest of all time vs a nobody.

Your comment about being pedantic is basically admitting that the arrow not white, but I will forgive you for the assumingely intended insult. White is the teeth, grey is the arrows, even the clouds show the difference in color of the arrow. When the FT world even believes in God, so no really difference in culture even in references too. Actually Cupid is part of the Greco-Roman pantheon. Sky magic referring to multiple Magics including air magic, yeah, MS does null immunity.

The arrow is white. Like as white as Sting's teeth. I cannot for the life of me understand why you think arrows are holy because of Cupid. That's ridiculous. As far as we know, Cupid doesn't even exist in Fairy Tail world.

 

[WoWfan]

and yet others can heal and enchant too without sky magic, air is for her air magic, and yet Chelia does not show any enchantments, and she can't restore her stamina like Wendy can. no proof she can't know arms, especially how she use to strengthen a stick's abilities like arms can. like the card said, her power comes from the air, which the pollen did pollute the air, covering pretty much everything which enchantment to protect her self from the pollen in the air is the same thing as having clean air to use since doesn't come to her so she can use air magic, and besides, the cleaner the air example comes from her air magic, such as when she gained DF, that is proof it is for her air magic. "dragon can slayer"? and yet we do not even see slayers eat more than the one element they did eat for their mode, you are assuming too much, if he eats magic other than iron it would give him a new mode, this is known. alchemy in real life is an archaic way of doing it, which Gajeel used real science to do, food is not a means of restoring magical energy, so wrong example, he was not guessing, he was basically making a statement. The arrow is grey, even when covered in shadow, they have different colors, even against the clouds they are grey, so you are wrong, even in FT, they prey to god as well, and have a concept of heaven and hell too, they make references to real world culture all the time, Cupid is part of the Greco-Roman pantheon.

 

[Hexbend]

Good lord might as well reach for the stars with these arguments

 

[Axiomus]

The arrow is grey? Lmao. That's literally the whitest arrow I've ever seen. Dude even went out of his way to paint the wooden shaft and feathers white. I can't.

 

[WoWfan]

Question, despite the fact that it is more grey than the whitest clouds, why would he Paint it white knowing who they were?

 

[Axiomus]

Dude, those clouds are white too.

 

[WoWfan]

When did i say they were not, it is a comparison with the grey arrow.

 

[Axiomus]

Oh, you're being ridiculous.

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How you gonna tell us that arrow ain't white, and that Sting ate the arrow because arrows are related to cupid? Come on now.


Also, broken link.

 

[WoWfan]

Pretty sure it is different colors from multiple examples
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[Axiomus]

Nope. The colour of the arrow is the exact same colour as the colour in the box for the image I posted. I can even give you the RGB value that the colour is. It's RGB(255, 255, 255). Can't even make the argument that it's grey due to shading, cuz it's HSL value is (160, 0%, 240%). That's 0% saturation and 240% luminosity. It's BRIGHT WHITE lmao.

What you're doing is cherry picking the part of the arrow that's shaded. You do understand that the arrow is one colour, right? To get an accurate idea of the real colour of the arrow, we want to pick the part that's got the most light on it. Not the parts that are shaded. Try doing the same thing with the part of the arrow that's actually lit up by the light, the part I pointed towards in my image. Do it. I dare you. What you're trying to do is pretend that the arrow isn't white by pointing towards a part of the arrow that is shaded. It's a weaselly tactic, but one that I can easily demonstrate by simply taking your image.

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And doing this

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[WoWfan]

White is 255, 255, 255, 1, the arrow has 214, 212, 213, 1, correction, and it’s 330, 2%, 84%, 1, it is #d6d4d5, the base color is grey. Even shading is a way differentiating color too.

Even the other image shows the difference especially in other images from difference perspectives, such as what I posted as even in shading equally, the two are different colors, and considering that it is metal, it would make sense that it reflects more light from the sun.