Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Wendy's element is the Sky. Let this madness end.

Spoiler

 

[WoWfan]

Sky in the context of the expanse of air surrounding the earth, nothing says anything about healing or enchantments, hence even Wendy stated that she controls air https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628768/2

And even "Law" is absolutely not the same as power to obtain knowledge as he said, so the words are misleading.

 

[Axiomus]

Her healing and enchantments are sky magic.

 

[WoWfan]

So? Anyone can use healing and enchantments, even the kanji would mean air as well.

 

[Seven777]

how is that not? it shows that air has no enchantment or healing properties on their own despite everyone taking them in with every breath. Gray is immune to ice attacks when he uses DSM, but not any hax they have, like Ice Lock which affects the mind, or Ice Hell Armor which freezes him regardless of his Slayer ability, so bypass, and what's her name's spirit arts freezes over magic power so again, bypass, and that was his base form, when he uses DSM, it completely negated. White in the context of holy magic, him being MS and failing to break an incomplete sphere proves my point. the boat was definitely not motionless, it was not frozen until it actually is complete, the boat did not freeze the water, which would make it motionless which would defeat the purpose of the MS plan, he could not land next to it if there is no room. https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628935/3

Except they are part of sky magic, which according to you is just another way of saying air magic, even the kanji blah, blah, blah

Spoiler: Her element is sky btw

Mm, you gave a bunch of examples of Gray not being immune, nice. Ice Armor's a particularly good one, since he says outright, Gray is resistant, not immune.
Not enough of a reason for me to not take his title at face value. I simply went with what the manga stated, word for word.
So you're saying the guild-only Fairy Sphere had enough power to rob Acno of his strength to fly, but not enough power to freeze a block of Gray's ice? Dumb.
If Acno really was immune to Fairy Sphere, with the sole exception of motion sickness, then Acno would have just destroyed the boat instead of ramming the wall and then just tanked Fairy Sphere, ez gg.

 

[WoWfan]

Except they are part of sky magic, which according to you is just another way of saying air magic, even the kanji blah, blah, blah

Spoiler: Her element is sky btw

Mm, you gave a bunch of examples of Gray not being immune, nice. Ice Armor's a particularly good one, since he says outright, Gray is resistant, not immune.
Not enough of a reason for me to not take his title at face value. I simply went with what the manga stated, word for word.
So you're saying the guild-only Fairy Sphere had enough power to rob Acno of his strength to fly, but not enough power to freeze a block of Gray's ice? Dumb.
If Acno really was immune to Fairy Sphere, with the sole exception of motion sickness, then Acno would have just destroyed the boat instead of ramming the wall and then just tanked Fairy Sphere, ez gg.

And Even then it proves my point, air shows nothing of healing or enchantments, even law doesn’t have the same meaning as his explanation, so that further proves words =/= meaning for elements, Gray is immune, not being immune =/= bypassing his immunity. Despite it was stated to be immunity before, in the context both are rather synonymous, the series stated outright what it is. the Fairy Sphere was incomplete and thus would not freeze Acno in time, it is MS that robs him of his strength as shown before when chasing Christina, he likely did not have the strength to destroy the boat if he could not destroy an incomplete sphere.

 

[Seven777]

And Even then it proves my point, air shows nothing of healing or enchantments, even law doesn’t have the same meaning as his explanation, so that further proves words =/= meaning for elements, Gray is immune, not being immune =/= bypassing his immunity. Despite it was stated to be immunity before, in the context both are rather synonymous, the series stated outright what it is. the Fairy Sphere was incomplete and thus would not freeze Acno in time, it is MS that robs him of his strength as shown before when chasing Christina, he likely did not have the strength to destroy the boat if he could not destroy an incomplete sphere.

Not according to Mashima, as he made it a part of her Sky Magic. And again, not according to Mashima. Should I take your word over his?

Spoiler: Not according to Mashima

But he was flying? Why would motion sickness rob him of his strength if he was flying? And are you saying cracking the sphere is less impressive than smashing an ice boat? That he was below Gray tier at that time?

 

[WoWfan]

Not according to Mashima, as he made it a part of her Sky Magic. And again, not according to Mashima. Should I take your word over his?

Spoiler: Not according to Mashima

But he was flying? Why would motion sickness rob him of his strength if he was flying? And are you saying cracking the sphere is less impressive than smashing an ice boat? That he was below Gray tier at that time?

and yet not as air as he did not give any of her healing or enchantment names "Sky" or "Sky Dragon", his word stated that she utilizes air directly from her. Still, it bypasses his immunity which Silver stated, and it is hax since that "freezing" disappeared. He was flying, but when he got MS, he started to fall for a bit before regaining composure, you mean a sphere that was incomplete against a ship which is able to stay afloat when Acno was thrusted onto it? yeah, and where did you get the idea that Acno is below Gray? even MS would not give him much options other than to try and leave, which was unlikely to happen.

 

[Seven777]

and yet not as air as he did not give any of her healing or enchantment names "Sky Dragon", his word stated that she utilizes air directly from her. Still, it bypasses his immunity which Silver stated, and it is hax since that "freezing" disappeared. He was flying, but when he got MS, he started to fall for a bit before regaining composure, you mean a sphere that was incomplete against a ship which is able to stay afloat when Acno was thrusted onto it? yeah, and where did you get the idea that Acno is below Gray? even MS would not give him much options other than to try and leave, which was unlikely to happen.

Spoiler: Her element is sky though?

Spoiler: But he's only resistant...

Spoiler: But if he's flying, that means he's not on a vehicle...

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628935/4

If MS Acno is so weak than he can't destroy one of Gray's spells, that means MS Acno is weaker than Gray.

 

[WoWfan]

Spoiler: Her element is sky though?

Spoiler: But he's only resistant...

Spoiler: But if he's flying, that means he's not on a vehicle...

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628935/4

If MS Acno is so weak than he can't destroy one of Gray's spells, that means MS Acno is weaker than Gray.

And his element is law, which is not how it is described, knowledge and law are two entirely different things, so Sky is not really the region of upper atmosphere and outer space. Again, hax, and that was Gray's base form resistance, he was more charging than flying, even then it would still tax him of his strength. Not really weaker, since he has MS, he can't muster up his full strength.

 

[Axiomus]

So? Anyone can use healing and enchantments, even the kanji would mean air as well.

Doesn't matter. Wendy's magic is sky magic. Wendy's enchantments and healing are sky magic.

And no. 天 (tian) means sky. There's no way to read 天 as air.

 

[WoWfan]

it does matter since enchantments and healing can be used by others, not exclusively

天空 means sky or air which is what was said in her introduction

 

[Axiomus]

it does matter since enchantments and healing can be used by others, not exclusively

天空 means sky or air which is what was said in her introduction

Nope, because Wendy's enchantments are 100% sky magic, and that's what she used to hurt Chelia.

Wrong. Don't get your translation off google translate. 天空 still means sky. 天 means sky. 空 means empty. 天空 refers to everything in the sky, including outer space. Stars, the moon, and the sun are all located in 天空.

 

[Seven777]

And his element is law, which is not how it is described, knowledge and law are two entirely different things, so Sky is not really the region of upper atmosphere and outer space. Again, hax, and that was Gray's base form resistance, he was more charging than flying, even then it would still tax him of his strength. Not really weaker, since he has MS, he can't muster up his full strength.

Not according to Mashima, should I take your word over his?
Missed the point, Gray said he is "more resistance to ice that most", not immune. The fact that he is in that very moment getting frozen is just gravy
So why would he get back on the boat then? He was off, free and clear, no sickness. Besides, even with sickness he still had the strength to jump off
Can't muster the strength to break one of Gray's attacks, so with motion sickness, Acno can't muster Gray tier strength?

 

[WoWfan]

nope, because enchantments can be used by others and don’t have sky in the name, that is right, she used enchantments against Chelia.

Wrong, I got it from several translation sources besides Google translate, 天空 which refers to sky, ether, heavens, air.

Not according to Mashima, should I take your word over his?
Missed the point, Gray said he is "more resistance to ice that most", not immune. The fact that he is in that very moment getting frozen is just gravy
So why would he get back on the boat then? He was off, free and clear, no sickness. Besides, even with sickness he still had the strength to jump off
Can't muster the strength to break one of Gray's attacks, so with motion sickness, Acno can't muster Gray tier strength?

Of course, Hiro said air is what she uses so that is that, you are missing the point, that is his base, and the moment he activates his DSM is when that freezing is undone. Very likely fell back on since there is no space left to land, still sick, it doesn’t go away right away when you exert yourself, like in GMG. He is above Gray tier, the strength is there but he can’t use it.

 

[Seven777]

nope, because enchantments can be used by others and don’t have sky in the name, that is right, she used enchantments against Chelia.

Wrong, I got it from several translation sources besides Google translate, which refers to sky, ether, heavens, air.

Of course, Hiro said air is what she uses so that is that, you are missing the point, that is his base, and the moment he activates his DSM is when that freezing is undone. Very likely fell back on since there is no space left to land, still sick, it doesn’t go away right away when you exert yourself, like in GMG. He is above Gray tier, the strength is there but he can’t use it.

Mmm, she does use air... and sky, because sky is her element as he stated literally one chapter ago.
So you're saying the reason that the freezing was undone was due to DeS immunity..... that what you're saying?
Could have just kept flying, after all, he had the strength to get up and ram things.
So he can't use Gray tier strength while motion sick???

 

[Axiomus]

nope, because enchantments can be used by others and don’t have sky in the name, that is right, she used enchantments against Chelia.

Wrong, I got it from several translation sources besides Google translate, which refers to sky, ether, heavens, air.

Again, the enchantments that other people can use are irrelevant. They aren't Wendy's enchantments, which is sky magic.

And I am a native speaker of Chinese (of which all Kanji is based off) and know Japanese.

天 means sky/heavens.
空 means empty
天空 together means sky. As in anything you can see while looking up in the sky.
気 means breath/energy.
空気 together means air.

Sorry, but you are 100% wrong on this. First of all, Elfseria said that Wendy's element is 天. This can only be read as sky or heavens. You don't just get to insert another character in there, as that can change the entire meaning. But here's the kicker, 天空 can only be read as sky and doesn't mean what you think it does. The irony is that 天空 is closer to the literal english definition of "sky" than 天 by itself is. 天 by itself is very often describing divinity, especially in the context of talking about mythical creatures. In fact, the most appropriate translation for 天竜 (tenryu) isn't Sky Dragon. It's Heavenly or Divine Dragon. It's only because Wendy's dragon slaying magic was referred to as 天空の滅竜魔法 that the translation team went with Sky Dragon.

 

[WoWfan]

How would you know that? even Irene can use them as well, they are just various arts that are included to Sky Magic. 天空 together means sky. As in anything you can see while looking up in the sky (That includes air, not healing or enchantments) so the translation to air would still be appropriate, And Natsu is said to be Fire Dragon Slayer which the kanji there is flame or blaze, fire and flame are different as Fire is a oxydization process and flame is the heated gas you see. And that proves my point further when you said 天 alone means divine so using it alone would mean she uses divine, same as Sting. Even so, it still can be translated to air as well, and as you said translators chose it, so it is still usable by as another word.

Mmm, she does use air... and sky, because sky is her element as he stated literally one chapter ago.
So you're saying the reason that the freezing was undone was due to DeS immunity..... that what you're saying?
Could have just kept flying, after all, he had the strength to get up and ram things.
So he can't use Gray tier strength while motion sick???

Air is part of sky, and healing and enchantments can be used without it, and stated air in other chapters and by herself, and Elf’s element is law which is explained as knowledge, completely different concepts, proves my point, name does not mean literal. That is right, yet did not have the strength to do that, even he would lose more strength the more he exerted himself, he can’t use his full strength while MS.

 

[Axiomus]

How would you know that? even Irene can use them as well, they are just various arts that are included to Sky Magic. 天空 together means sky. As in anything you can see while looking up in the sky (That includes air, not healing or enchantments) so the translation to air would still be appropriate, And Natsu is said to be Fire Dragon Slayer which the kanji there is flame or blaze, fire and flame are different as Fire is a oxydization process and flame is the heated gas you see. And that proves my point further when you said 天 alone means divine so using it alone would mean she uses divine, same as Sting. Even so, it still can be translated to air as well.

Because Carla refers to Wendy's healing as sky magic. Again, we were told in Wendy's guild card that she draws her power from the air, and that if the air is too polluted then Wendy can't use magic at all. This includes her enchantments and healing. Irene has never actually used any of Wendy's spells. We've only ever seen Wendy copy Irene's spells. But anyways, the incantation that Wendy says for Arms and Vernier specifically makes specific references to the sky.

Both 火 and 炎 both translate to fire. Only reason the term "blaze" was thrown around was because people thought it sounded cooler. The official translators never rolled with it. No, no, no. Stop. Don't try to argue that fire and flames are different. I'm going to lose my mind.

This shouldn't be this hard. Wendy is the sky dragon slayer. Sky magic is magic that takes power from the air to do stuff like heal or enchant. Wendy sliced Chelia's arm with wind. Enchantments, which would be sky magic if they're used by Wendy anyways, didn't change the fact that Wendy's attack was physically made out of wind. Slayers are resistant to their elements, not immune.

 

[WoWfan]

And Brain refers to Wendy’s Healing as “The Healing Arts of Sky Magic” which in of itself is it’s own type of magic that is lumped together with Sky Magic. And the air was polluted enough where she couldn’t use her air powers, and managed to use her enchantments to recover herself. Copy Irene? She never even knew Irene until their actual meeting and she still used enchantments like her since Tartaros, and yet the incantation is just for show, they don’t do what they said. You don’t have to, they are though different, Fire is the oxidization of a material and Flame is the visible gas of a combustion. Takes power via eating like any other slayer user does, the fact that she managed to hurt Chelia with enchantments attached means that it is another magic besides just air, enchantments are not made out of air as other people have shown, Silver stated that slayers are immune to their respective element, they just require hax to get around it or other means, immune and resistance are often blurred together anyway in these stories.