Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ratrace]

Tartaros. They had a competent leader and they were close to achieving their objective

Personally my top three would be the guilds part of the balam alliance
Of course that’s just my opinion

 

[FireIce]

Gray & Gajeel were much stronger during Alvarez than currently

How high do you think they would be in the power rankings if they were at their strongest? Darkness for Gray and Black Iron Mode for Gajeel.

 

[Ronin31]

Black Iron Mode for Gajeel

Gajeel can't tap into that at will, even with emotional help. He needs to eat his element with a strong Magic to amp him.

Darkness for Gray

With his emotional skyrocketing, it's hard to place him. But I won't be surprise he should be close to current Erza and Laxus. A one or two tiers below.

 

[FireIce]

Gajeel can't tap into that at will, even with emotional help. He needs to eat his element with a strong Magic to amp him.



With his emotional skyrocketing, it's hard to place him. But I won't be surprise he should be close to current Erza and Laxus. A one or two tiers below.

Do you believe they would be closer to the trio or the DDSK?

 

[Ronin31]

Do you believe they would be closer to the trio or the DDSK?

In the case of Grey out of control (Darkness or Berserker), I can put his power level between FDK Natsu and DF Natsu. So yes, highly closer to the DDSK level.
But it's only my opinion.

His failure against Skullion is like Natsu's failure in front of Mardmole except Grey didn't has a rematch. And this is the problem.

In the new arc, I want to see him using this strength again, perhaps against a foe who is attempting to shoot Frosch. But I currently expect nothing from the authors for Grey in the sequel who seem to have lost his charisma and his abilities. A shame, really.

 

[WoWfan]

Taratos and Alvarez tie

Oracion Seis

Grimoire Heart

Edolas

Phantom Lord

Diabolos

 

[Darklord#10]

Taratos and Alvarez tie

Oracion Seis

Grimoire Heart

Edolas

Phantom Lord

Diabolos

Spriggans are the worst villain group mashima has ever written. Imo Mashima will never write anything worst than spriggan. The nine demon gate were on another level entirely, oracion seis were good, grimoire heart was good to but the nine demon gate were actually close to completing their objective

 

[WoWfan]

Spriggans are the worst villain group mashima has ever written. Imo Mashima will never write anything worst than spriggan. The nine demon gate were on another level entirely, oracion seis were good, grimoire heart was good to but the nine demon gate were actually close to completing their objective

Spriggans were close to completing their objective too, they actually had FT get help from outside their own guild, and they had members who were not even defeated by FT, they were considered the madaras of their world, Grimoire Heart were just fanatic fanboys of zeref who knew nothing of what they were doing, going on a fable, making their quest a complete waste of time, Oracion Seis, while wanting freedom, they were just in it for chaos.

 

[grey matter]

Spriggans are the worst villain group mashima has ever written. Imo Mashima will never write anything worst than spriggan. The nine demon gate were on another level entirely, oracion seis were good, grimoire heart was good to but the nine demon gate were actually close to completing their objective

Mashima's villains keep getting worse as his writing becomes increasingly worse.

Diabolos honestly gives Spriggans a run for their money with how pathetic they turned out to be as well. Seeing how Mashima made them threw their dead guild master under the bus, for the disgustingly transparent attempt to make Selene's retcon more acceptable............I don't think there were any group of characters who I wished for them to die that instant.
It's a shame cause I used to like Suzaku. Diabolos are nothing but utterly worthless pieces of trash, Mashima completely ruined them beyond repair with the whole Selene arc (everything associated with her turns to trash). A group of DS introduced and built up since beginning, in a spinoff about dragons, reduced to this..........only Mashima can fuck up this bad.

 

[Darklord#10]

Mashima's villains keep getting worse as his writing becomes increasingly worse.

Diabolos honestly gives Spriggans a run for their money with how pathetic they turned out to be as well. Seeing how Mashima made them threw their dead guild master under the bus, for the disgustingly transparent attempt to make Selene's retcon more acceptable............I don't think there were any group of characters who I wished for them to die that instant.
It's a shame cause I used to like Suzaku. Diabolos are nothing but utterly worthless pieces of trash, Mashima completely ruined them beyond repair with the whole Selene arc (everything associated with her turns to trash). A group of DS introduced and built up since beginning, in a spinoff about dragons, reduced to this..........only Mashima can fuck up this bad.

You know what I think is hiro's biggest problem is the fact that he can think it's actually okay to retcon. He said this in an afterword of space manga that he's the type of guy to change something along the lines, essentially meaning he will retcon without batting an eye. Hiro mashima is definitely a very very good manga but he needs to stop retconning. He loses interest in ideas way to fast. Realistically speaking there should have been power creep. Dark dragon slayer knights should have eclipsed the spriggan but I don't know why Hiro retconned suzaku vs selene. I totally agree with you on the selene stuff. She absolutely tanked the sales of this sequel. This sequel was selling really good up to 90k and was one of the best selling manga during aldoron arc. Spriggans were just utter trash. From neihart to Jacob to Eileen to dimaria to august to bloodman.

 

[Sevently]

How high do you think they would be in the power rankings if they were at their strongest? Darkness for Gray and Black Iron Mode for Gajeel.

BDSK tier.

 

[Ratrace]

Mashima's villains keep getting worse as his writing becomes increasingly worse.

Diabolos honestly gives Spriggans a run for their money with how pathetic they turned out to be as well. Seeing how Mashima made them threw their dead guild master under the bus, for the disgustingly transparent attempt to make Selene's retcon more acceptable............I don't think there were any group of characters who I wished for them to die that instant.
It's a shame cause I used to like Suzaku. Diabolos are nothing but utterly worthless pieces of trash, Mashima completely ruined them beyond repair with the whole Selene arc (everything associated with her turns to trash). A group of DS introduced and built up since beginning, in a spinoff about dragons, reduced to this..........only Mashima can fuck up this bad.

I wonder if they would have a lot better chance at being good villains if they were in the story before the seven years time skip

 

[FireIce]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I personally truly believe Suzaku is superior to Selene in her human form.

I'm going to explain why. Let's analyze their fight.

Spoiler

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Chapter 81: Suzaku first attacks Selene with a sword hit but she casually evades hit and counterattacks with her Moonlight Flames. Suzaku cuts through it rather easily, emerging barely damaged from the attack. She attacks again with Moonlight Butterflies and hurts Suzaku a little more than with her previous spell, forcing him to use a named attack to destroy hit. The name "Kurunugi" in the attack kind of alarms Selene and distracts her, which allows Suzaku to cut her cheek. Selene asks Suzaku if he really devoured Kurunugi. He confirms it and Selene decides to show him "a bit of her real power".

Spoiler

I think it's safe to say that Selene was starting to take the fight seriously because of how everyone else at the village noticed that the size of the moon had increased. Hakune even commented that someone had forced Selene to get serious which backs up my claims. That last panel of Selene's eye says a lot about how serious she was too.

Spoiler

Chapter 82: Selene starts to overpower Suzaku, throwing attacks of such speed that he cannot even dodge them. He wants to attack her with another attack but she dispels it with hers. Selene finally states that she's going to end their fight with her next attack.

Chapters 82 - 85 are focused on Lucy/Gray battles.

We go back to Suzaku vs Selene at the end of chapter 85, and as we can see, Suzaku's in real struggle.

Chapter 86: We have Selene praising Suzaku's strength, claiming he's one of the strongest humans.

Spoiler

Selene reveals that Kurunugi was one of her sons after Suzaku had asked what their relationship was. She attacks Suzaku and her facial expression is a clear showing of her madness and anger (i.e seriousness) to me, so I believe she really wanted to kill him at the time.

Spoiler

We can even see an attack growing in Selene's hand (perhaps the one she was talking about a few chapter ago?) while Suzaku is preparing to attack. She is shocked as she doesn't recognize Kurunugi's magic, which leads to Suzaku landing his final blow and taking Selene down. She losses a serious amount of blood and even stutters "Impossible... That I [lost] to human... A mere human...". Her reaction to Suzaku's attack and her facial expression after she took the hit are too credible for me to think she faked her defeat.

Spoiler

A few chapters later, we have Selene who was brought by Suzaku to his guild and is the prisoner of Diabolos. After she goes dragon form and crushes Georg, we have Selene saying that she "appreciates that Suzaku brought her to his guild".

Spoiler

This may be look like a direct implication that Selene lost on purpose but I don't think it's really surprising because it is true that she easily could've used her dragon form to heal her wounds (like she did against Georg) and kill Suzaku in one hit. But she choose not to and let Suzaku bring her to his guild to kill the man who killed her son.

That doesn't really disprove the fact that she's inferior to Suzaku in human form though.

And then we have Selene confirming that Suzaku is stronger than her in human form in chapter 91:

Spoiler

I know some of you guys are going to claim that proof of Suzaku not being on Human Selene's level is that he was helpless against Ignia and Dogramag.

But Ignia has already proven that he was significantly stronger than Selene based on how easily he beat her.

And Dogramag was stated to be the weakest Dragon God a hundred years ago. It's implied that he powered up for the past 100 years, so it's not a stretch to think that he's better than Selene now. Suzaku could cut through Selene's attacks and actually damage her but couldn't do the same to Dogramag. Note that Dogramg was made quite indestructible by the the dogra cores and Suzaku had also spent some of his MP against Natsu. He's also a Rock Dragon, so his magic certainly enhances his defenses.

Anyways, that's just my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to quote me if there's some flaws you want to adress.

 

[grey matter]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I personally truly believe Suzaku is superior to Selene in her human form.

I'm going to explain why. Let's analyze their fight.

Spoiler

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Chapter 81: Suzaku first attacks Selene with a sword hit but she casually evades hit and counterattacks with her. Suzaku cuts through it rather easily, emerging barely damaged from the attack. She attacks again, and hurts Suzaku a little more than with her previous spell, forcing him to use a named attack to destroy hit. The name "Kurunugi" kind of alarms Selene and distracts her, which allows Suzaku to cut her cheek. Selene asks Suzaku if he really devoured Kurunugi. He confirms it and Selene decides to show him "a bit of her real power".

Spoiler

I think it's safe to say that Selene was starting to take the fight seriously because of how everyone else at the village noticed that the size of the moon had increased. Hakune even commented that someone had forced Selene to get serious which backs up my claims. That last panel of Selene's eye says a lot about how serious she was too.

Spoiler

Chapter 82: Selene starts to overpower Suzaku, throwing attacks of such speed that he cannot even dodge them. He wants to attack her with another attack but she dispels it with hers. Selene finally states that she's going to end their fight with her next attack.

Chapters 82 - 85 are focused on Lucy/Gray battles.

We go back to Suzaku vs Selene at the end of chapter 85, and as we can see, Suzaku's in real struggle.

Chapter 86: We have Selene praising Suzaku's strength, claiming he's one of the strongest humans.

Spoiler

Selene reveals that Kurunugi was one of her sons after Suzaku had asked what their relationship was. She attacks Suzaku and her facial expression is a clear showing of her madness and anger (i.e seriousness) to me, so I believe she really wanted to kill him at the time.

Spoiler

We can even see an attack growing in Selene's hand (perhaps the one she was talking about a few chapter ago?) while Suzaku is preparing to attack. She is shocked as she doesn't recognize Kurunugi's magic, which leads to Suzaku landing his final blow and taking Selene down. She losses a serious amount of blood and even stutters "Impossible... That I [lost] to human... A mere human...". Her reaction to Suzaku's and her facial expression after she took the hit are too credible for me to think she faked her defeat.

Spoiler

A few chapters later, we have Selene who was brought by Suzaku to his guild and is the prisoner of Diabolos. After she goes dragon form and crushes Georg, we have Selene saying that she "appreciates that Suzaku brought her to his guild".

Spoiler

This may be look like a direct implication that Selene lost on purpose but I don't think it's really surprising because it is true that she easily could've used her dragon form to heal her wounds (like she did against Georg) and kill Suzaku in one hit. But she choose not to and let Suzaku bring her to his guild to kill the man who killed her son.

That doesn't really disprove the fact that she's inferior to Suzaku in human form though.

And then we have Selene confirming that Suzaku is stronger than her in human form in chapter 91:

Spoiler

I know some of you guys are going to claim that proof of Suzaku not being on Human Selene's level is that he was helpless against Ignia and Dogramag.

But Ignia has already proven that he was significantly stronger than Selene based on how easily he beat her.

And Dogramag was stated to be the weakest Dragon God a hundred years ago. It's implied that he powered up for the past 100 years, so it's not a stretch to think that he's better than Selene now. Suzaku could cut through Selene's attacks and actually damage but couldn't do the same to Dogramag. Note that Dogramg was made quite indestructible by the the dogra cores and Suzaku had also spent some of his MP against Natsu.

Anyways, that's just my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to quote me if there's some flaws you want to adress.

The intro Suzaku . Was GOAT, compared to the trash he is now.


And yes, Suzaku is stated to be stronger than human Selene, and has feats to back it up.
It's just that Mashima's retcon fiesta has muddied the waters, and given ammo for the agenda bois to claim Selene lied there with zero proof.

 

[MangerDan]

I don’t think Selene lied, but I do think this is another thing character said, and is never brought up again or explored further retcon. Watch Mashima will do something that’ll add further fuel to the Selene lied argument and we’ll have people writing more essays about why she did or didn’t lie.
Inb4 human Selene rescues Suzaku from getting shit stomped by a gold owl member lol.

 

[Darklord#10]

But Ignia has already proven that he was significantly stronger than Selene based on how easily he beat her.

Are you asking for war? This isn't going to go well

 

[Ronin31]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I personally truly believe Suzaku is superior to Selene in her human form.

I'm going to explain why. Let's analyze their fight.

Spoiler

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Chapter 81: Suzaku first attacks Selene with a sword hit but she casually evades hit and counterattacks with her. Suzaku cuts through it rather easily, emerging barely damaged from the attack. She attacks again, and hurts Suzaku a little more than with her previous spell, forcing him to use a named attack to destroy hit. The name "Kurunugi" kind of alarms Selene and distracts her, which allows Suzaku to cut her cheek. Selene asks Suzaku if he really devoured Kurunugi. He confirms it and Selene decides to show him "a bit of her real power".

Spoiler

I think it's safe to say that Selene was starting to take the fight seriously because of how everyone else at the village noticed that the size of the moon had increased. Hakune even commented that someone had forced Selene to get serious which backs up my claims. That last panel of Selene's eye says a lot about how serious she was too.

Spoiler

Chapter 82: Selene starts to overpower Suzaku, throwing attacks of such speed that he cannot even dodge them. He wants to attack her with another attack but she dispels it with hers. Selene finally states that she's going to end their fight with her next attack.

Chapters 82 - 85 are focused on Lucy/Gray battles.

We go back to Suzaku vs Selene at the end of chapter 85, and as we can see, Suzaku's in real struggle.

Chapter 86: We have Selene praising Suzaku's strength, claiming he's one of the strongest humans.

Spoiler

Selene reveals that Kurunugi was one of her sons after Suzaku had asked what their relationship was. She attacks Suzaku and her facial expression is a clear showing of her madness and anger (i.e seriousness) to me, so I believe she really wanted to kill him at the time.

Spoiler

We can even see an attack growing in Selene's hand (perhaps the one she was talking about a few chapter ago?) while Suzaku is preparing to attack. She is shocked as she doesn't recognize Kurunugi's magic, which leads to Suzaku landing his final blow and taking Selene down. She losses a serious amount of blood and even stutters "Impossible... That I [lost] to human... A mere human...". Her reaction to Suzaku's and her facial expression after she took the hit are too credible for me to think she faked her defeat.

Spoiler

A few chapters later, we have Selene who was brought by Suzaku to his guild and is the prisoner of Diabolos. After she goes dragon form and crushes Georg, we have Selene saying that she "appreciates that Suzaku brought her to his guild".

Spoiler

This may be look like a direct implication that Selene lost on purpose but I don't think it's really surprising because it is true that she easily could've used her dragon form to heal her wounds (like she did against Georg) and kill Suzaku in one hit. But she choose not to and let Suzaku bring her to his guild to kill the man who killed her son.

That doesn't really disprove the fact that she's inferior to Suzaku in human form though.

And then we have Selene confirming that Suzaku is stronger than her in human form in chapter 91:

Spoiler

I know some of you guys are going to claim that proof of Suzaku not being on Human Selene's level is that he was helpless against Ignia and Dogramag.

But Ignia has already proven that he was significantly stronger than Selene based on how easily he beat her.

And Dogramag was stated to be the weakest Dragon God a hundred years ago. It's implied that he powered up for the past 100 years, so it's not a stretch to think that he's better than Selene now. Suzaku could cut through Selene's attacks and actually damage but couldn't do the same to Dogramag. Note that Dogramg was made quite indestructible by the the dogra cores and Suzaku had also spent some of his MP against Natsu.

Anyways, that's just my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to quote me if there's some flaws you want to adress.

Honestly, my friend, I really like your post so I don’t have much more to say. Suzaku was indeed stronger than Selene in human form, she lost the duel and even recognized Suzaku’s superiority until she had her primitive form of Dragon to release all her power.

The hype of Suzaku has its beginning was literally titanic : Dragon Slayer of the level able to defeat a Dragon God in 1 vs 1, a demonstration of power reiterated by defeating in an attack, 2 of the most powerful and resistant members of Fairy Tail (Natsu and Erza) literally without forcing. This guy then had a level of Mage unparalleled in history.

The concern is that Mashima does not know how to handle this kind of character becoming too powerful for his own manga and even manages to change and control data from his own story : the passage that you demonstrated and that I adore, has been reinterpreted to give the impression that she was allowed to fall to reach Georg in the sole interest of re-evaluating the too great strength of Suzaku down so that the Dragon Gods remain insurpassable and so that Fairy Tail can defeat "simple" powerful mages and not unbeatable beings putting them no more Dragon Gods' superior level but Gildarts' level. No sense causing confusion to the reader 1.

Mashima even reinvented all of Selene’s personality so that Selene, originally bearer of Chaos on different Planes of Existence, becomes a victim aiming to destroy her fellow beings no longer for her anarchic pleasure but for the Salvation of Humanity. No sense causing confusion to the reader 2.

My God, Mashima even erased the complete history of Luxus' Lacrima originally implanted by his father to strengthen him physically and magically (the latter being very weak at the base) to start on the opposite effect : lacrima held back some of his strength by force ? In what purpose ? To put Luxus at the same level of power as Erza who crushed Misaki’s magic ? If that’s it, it’s so stupid to change the data of a character’s story from his origin to give a power-up whose only interest is to let him be in the most powerful trio in the Guild : frankly, Luxus, who had proven to have a phenomenal increase in power since the 100th Years Quest, has nothing more to prove to anyone. Changing part of his identity as a character is a big mistake for my humble opinion. Especially to match a feat of another S-Class on an opponent of the same level of Magic. If still Luxus and Erza had been rivals throughout the show, why not (although I would not approve that the power up comes from a rewriting of the character and his artifact that gives him his powers) but these two have never been like Natsu and Grey. No sense causing confusion to the reader 3.

I like Fairy Tail but the problem is the inconstancy of his creator who can erase and reshape what he has previously stated with very good bases (like your exemple), to start again on things that no longer hold up the road.

 

[GL_Nova]

Queen of dragons

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I can see august and Irene being stronger than Selene's human form tbh. Maybe human dragon gods and human acnologia aren't equal in human form.

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I think mashima wanted the dragon slayer knights to be stronger than spriggan but he retconned it, not sure why.

What gives the impression it was retconned?

 

[Darklord#10]

What gives the impression it was retconned?

I see no reason why suzaku shouldn't be able to handle human dogramag who was nerfed after waking up. Human selene was stronger than the version of merchphobia and aldoron natsu defeated. Why couldn't suzaku damage weakened dogramag? What happened?

 

[GL_Nova]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I personally truly believe Suzaku is superior to Selene in her human form.

I'm going to explain why. Let's analyze their fight.

Spoiler

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Chapter 81: Suzaku first attacks Selene with a sword hit but she casually evades hit and counterattacks with her. Suzaku cuts through it rather easily, emerging barely damaged from the attack. She attacks again, and hurts Suzaku a little more than with her previous spell, forcing him to use a named attack to destroy hit. The name "Kurunugi" kind of alarms Selene and distracts her, which allows Suzaku to cut her cheek. Selene asks Suzaku if he really devoured Kurunugi. He confirms it and Selene decides to show him "a bit of her real power".

Spoiler

I think it's safe to say that Selene was starting to take the fight seriously because of how everyone else at the village noticed that the size of the moon had increased. Hakune even commented that someone had forced Selene to get serious which backs up my claims. That last panel of Selene's eye says a lot about how serious she was too.

Spoiler

Chapter 82: Selene starts to overpower Suzaku, throwing attacks of such speed that he cannot even dodge them. He wants to attack her with another attack but she dispels it with hers. Selene finally states that she's going to end their fight with her next attack.

Chapters 82 - 85 are focused on Lucy/Gray battles.

We go back to Suzaku vs Selene at the end of chapter 85, and as we can see, Suzaku's in real struggle.

Chapter 86: We have Selene praising Suzaku's strength, claiming he's one of the strongest humans.

Spoiler

Selene reveals that Kurunugi was one of her sons after Suzaku had asked what their relationship was. She attacks Suzaku and her facial expression is a clear showing of her madness and anger (i.e seriousness) to me, so I believe she really wanted to kill him at the time.

Spoiler

We can even see an attack growing in Selene's hand (perhaps the one she was talking about a few chapter ago?) while Suzaku is preparing to attack. She is shocked as she doesn't recognize Kurunugi's magic, which leads to Suzaku landing his final blow and taking Selene down. She losses a serious amount of blood and even stutters "Impossible... That I [lost] to human... A mere human...". Her reaction to Suzaku's and her facial expression after she took the hit are too credible for me to think she faked her defeat.

Spoiler

A few chapters later, we have Selene who was brought by Suzaku to his guild and is the prisoner of Diabolos. After she goes dragon form and crushes Georg, we have Selene saying that she "appreciates that Suzaku brought her to his guild".

Spoiler

This may be look like a direct implication that Selene lost on purpose but I don't think it's really surprising because it is true that she easily could've used her dragon form to heal her wounds (like she did against Georg) and kill Suzaku in one hit. But she choose not to and let Suzaku bring her to his guild to kill the man who killed her son.

That doesn't really disprove the fact that she's inferior to Suzaku in human form though.

And then we have Selene confirming that Suzaku is stronger than her in human form in chapter 91:

Spoiler

I know some of you guys are going to claim that proof of Suzaku not being on Human Selene's level is that he was helpless against Ignia and Dogramag.

But Ignia has already proven that he was significantly stronger than Selene based on how easily he beat her.

And Dogramag was stated to be the weakest Dragon God a hundred years ago. It's implied that he powered up for the past 100 years, so it's not a stretch to think that he's better than Selene now. Suzaku could cut through Selene's attacks and actually damage but couldn't do the same to Dogramag. Note that Dogramg was made quite indestructible by the the dogra cores and Suzaku had also spent some of his MP against Natsu.

Anyways, that's just my opinion and how I feel. Feel free to quote me if there's some flaws you want to adress.

Honestly I agree with most. I think Selene could have easily transformed and trounced him after losing. I don’t think she took that attack to get to Georg though. She is shown genuinely surprised and we also see how she flips on a dime. That attack really convinced her to claim Diabolos, she’s still on that as we speak. She’s also proved she’s more than wiley enough to adjust on the fly and create that opportunity to kill Georg. Ignia, I also believe is the strongest DG. An I think he’s done more fighting in his human form. Dogramag was not only freshly amped, but shown to be the defensive expert of the group. Other than Viernes I doubt anyone else can mess with his durability honestly.