Why are we using Suzaku not being able to injured Dogramrog as an anti-feat when it was literally stated that Dogramrog was using Elferseria's heart as a catalyst to store up energy in chapter 108, so it's obvious the man got stronger since then. Like please let's be simple about this instead of arguing in bad faith.
Correction, he only used the heart to restore his life and build up information, nothing about getting stronger, and when he was about to fight Natsu he said he is not as powerful as he use to be.
Correction, he only used the heart to restore his life and build up information, nothing about getting stronger, and when he was about to fight Natsu he said he is not as powerful as he use to be.
Yeah, so that would be increasing his vitality which makes it understandable for why Suzaku and Natsu weren't doing much to him physically. Not to mention, Suzaku straight up took an attack from Ignia that almost brought down the entire labyrinth so he was far from full strength.
I love that the power levels make sense!! What episodes are these may I ask? Tartaros, Alvarez?
Those numbers are properly relative. A they match how he portrays them in story as well. Gildarts has gotta be between 1500 & a solid 2-2.5 then. An if it's just the basic DB style scale, it matches because their still stronger than Saiyan arc start. So we really in planet and LP league. They would be useless against the big names though. Acnologia is post King Kai Goku lvl lol, and everybody else is literally closer to Chiaotzu than Yamcha lmao. Now with multipliers, they end up pretty respectable. Grey, Wendy, Laxus, Twin Dragons, Saber's Princess all have modes they can use. All of them, but gray and the Princess, have Forces that have been demonstrated. They have all they need to actually be respectable when you factor those in. An even with Dragon Force being assumed to be a 5 or 10X for the top tier Slayers once mastered they only get sooo strong. Hopefully somebody gets him to give us an update when the new season drops.
show don’t tell, that is what the series failed to do to convey Selene is weaker than Suzaku, Selene was playing around with him, in the fact. she didn’t throw the moon at him would suggest otherwise, like how Merc could and his power was halved, and there is a statement that supports his roar is his strongest at the time. Wendy could break his stones, no question there. Selene can break his stones as A human, no denying that.
Again, you actively choose to ignore the point of the post to argue what you want. Then you be insulted when I be like, "I don't take Wow serious"
What in the entire fuck are you on about. "She didn't throw the moon at him". Who claimed she did huh? Show me one panel where somebody said that silly shit. What I said, was that he scales to all the attacks she did after the moon feat. An since the moon feat is literally a casual byproduct of her powering up to do said attacks, he scales to that. Have fun doing your gymnastics trying to figure out how to ignore them plain facts.
GL, you didn’t have a point to make, you are the one ignoring the fact that Selene can damage stones in human form that Suzaku cannot. That shows the nonexistent power scaling from previous arc. That fact that she didn’t shows she wasn’t going all out, she even said somewhat serious. And those attacks are not moon feat. Ignia is ocean level because it requires Merc to throw the ocean, and later what appears to be a smaller attack with his breath was to be a serious attack. Selene literally stated she wouldn’t mind losing. And she confirmed to have tricked him to get to his master.
Yeah, so that would be increasing his vitality which makes it understandable for why Suzaku and Natsu weren't doing much to him physically. Not to mention, Suzaku straight up took an attack from Ignia that almost brought down the entire labyrinth so he was far from full strength.
Durabiltiy =/= vitality. Vitality is the ability to continue being active or lively while durability is the value of resisting force or stress before breaking. Ignia did not want to kill Natsu so that attack was not serious, both were still injured from it.
GL, you didn’t have a point to make, you are the one ignoring the fact that Selene can damage stones in human form that Suzaku cannot. That shows the nonexistent power scaling from previous arc. That fact that she didn’t shows she wasn’t going all out, she even said somewhat serious. And those attacks are not moon feat. Ignia is ocean level because it requires Merc to throw the ocean, and later what appears to be a smaller attack with his breath was to be a serious attack. Selene literally stated she wouldn’t mind losing. And she confirmed to have tricked him to get to his master.
Durabiltiy =/= vitality. Vitality is the ability to continue being active or lively while durability is the value of resisting force or stress before breaking. Ignia did not want to kill Natsu so that attack was not serious, both were still injured from it.
Even then. It's natural that a Rock Dragon would have much more durability and defense than Selene who's a moon Dragon. Not to mention, Dogramrog's rocks are supposed to be unbreakable and legendary, while Selene herself has no such defense and durability. And? Ignia's attack could be felt by people like Lucy and Kiria who were rather far from Natsu and Suzaku showing just how strong his attack was. Not to mention, Ignia is portrayed as being much stronger than other Dragon Gods.
GL, you didn’t have a point to make, you are the one ignoring the fact that Selene can damage stones in human form that Suzaku cannot. That shows the nonexistent power scaling from previous arc. That fact that she didn’t shows she wasn’t going all out, she even said somewhat serious. And those attacks are not moon feat. Ignia is ocean level because it requires Merc to throw the ocean, and later what appears to be a smaller attack with his breath was to be a serious attack. Selene literally stated she wouldn’t mind losing. And she confirmed to have tricked him to get to his master.
Durabiltiy =/= vitality. Vitality is the ability to continue being active or lively while durability is the value of resisting force or stress before breaking. Ignia did not want to kill Natsu so that attack was not serious, both were still injured from it.
I really be worried about you. Selene casually augmented the size of the moon. This is a feat. She did so as a byproduct of powering up to attack Suzaku. "But she wasn't full strength because of the position of the stars and my brilliant interpretation". So what? In that moment, she casually manipulated this Planetary frat. That happened. She then attacks. Suzaku takes this attack, and responds in kind and the battle continues for several more such attacks. He scales to that. Case closed. Move on.
"No, but I insist this latter feat creates some inconsistency that you arent considering!!"
It doesn't though, because it's easily explained by her being stronger or trying harder. A that original feat still happened, unchanged, either way. An he scales to it. Period
Bet, so we have a years growth and they managed to double last time. So let's just keep them at that. So current Natsu should be a 1200, Laxus a 2000 and fill in the rest of the cast with that as a roadmap. A they have the entirety of the modes and forces to boost as needed. Their a genuine threat to the best of opponents
I really be worried about you. Selene casually augmented the size of the moon. This is a feat. She did so as a byproduct of powering up to attack Suzaku. "But she wasn't full strength because of the position of the stars and my brilliant interpretation". So what? In that moment, she casually manipulated this Planetary frat. That happened. She then attacks. Suzaku takes this attack, and responds in kind and the battle continues for several more such attacks. He scales to that. Case closed. Move on.
"No, but I insist this latter feat creates some inconsistency that you arent considering!!"
It doesn't though, because it's easily explained by her being stronger or trying harder. A that original feat still happened, unchanged, either way. An he scales to it. Period
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Bet, so we have a years growth and they managed to double last time. So let's just keep them at that. So current Natsu should be a 1200, Laxus a 2000 and fill in the rest of the cast with that as a roadmap. A they have the entirety of the modes and forces to boost as needed. Their a genuine threat to the best of opponents
It maybe a feat, but not one that Suzaku scales to since she didn’t throw it at him like Merc with ocean to Ignia, and moments later, Merc used a serious attack against Natsu with power up so he would scale to the ocean. What stars? Again, she was playing him so that can’t be taken seriously when she outright stated she wants to lose.
It does as Selene did something Suzaku cannot in human form in terms of strength, that only shows that she was lying.
Even then. It's natural that a Rock Dragon would have much more durability and defense than Selene who's a moon Dragon. Not to mention, Dogramrog's rocks are supposed to be unbreakable and legendary, while Selene herself has no such defense and durability. And? Ignia's attack could be felt by people like Lucy and Kiria who were rather far from Natsu and Suzaku showing just how strong his attack was. Not to mention, Ignia is portrayed as being much stronger than other Dragon Gods.
But again, Selene can casually damage the rocks of Dog Dude with the former in human form while Suzaku cannot, unbreakable is iffy since they are determined by strength, MP determines stats for your body needs to be strong enough to handle your own magic power. It is just the heat, not the actual attack, Selene was doing as much damage against Ignia before he sneak attacked him, Selene could casually enlarge the moon in human form, while Ignia was described to only burn countries in dragon, big difference in power by just simple portrayals.
FT maincast has on-screen presence,EZ cast has not. Natsu is overall well known.Shiki?Lol Didn't change the main cast of FT is more lame after their respective arc than the EZ one or the RM one just saying.
I wonder how many much did the power level changed throughout the series like what was it at the beginning and what was Laxus and Natsu‘s power level before the one year of training
It maybe a feat, but not one that Suzaku scales to since she didn’t throw it at him like Merc with ocean to Ignia, and moments later, Merc used a serious attack against Natsu with power up so he would scale to the ocean. What stars? Again, she was playing him so that can’t be taken seriously when she outright stated she wants to lose.
It does as Selene did something Suzaku cannot in human form in terms of strength, that only shows that she was lying.
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But again, Selene can casually damage the rocks of Dog Dude with the former in human form while Suzaku cannot, unbreakable is iffy since they are determined by strength, MP determines stats for your body needs to be strong enough to handle your own magic power. It is just the heat, not the actual attack, Selene was doing as much damage against Ignia before he sneak attacked him, Selene could casually enlarge the moon in human form, while Ignia was described to only burn countries in dragon, big difference in power by just simple portrayals.
Do you understand everything you read bro? Not an insult, this is a serious question. Cause your response makes me think you might be a little slow. She powered up to fight, and the result was the Moon feat. Why the fuck would she need to throw the moon at him for him to scale . Prove that she didn't power up and shift the size of the moon, or don't respond to me. Period. Don't waste my time with another silly response. Don't say something you think is clever so I have to work not to insult you while I respond to the nonsense. Post and prove her attacks don't scale to the moon shift she literally caused from powering up to attack him. I have asked you this multiple times. Prove her powering up didn't shift the size of the moon. If you don't post scans of that, I'm going to take it as you admitting you realize your being pendantic because you understood months ago your argument is shit, but you just can't let it go.
FT maincast has on-screen presence,EZ cast has not. Natsu is overall well known.Shiki?Lol Didn't change the main cast of FT is more lame after their respective arc than the EZ one or the RM one just saying.
How far back is that Twitter post from? I mean, GS lost to Jellal now. An we have the new modes for Laxus so they surpassed him or just closed the gap? I'm really interested now because that would mean Laxus & Natsu are the two top slayers in the world.
How far back is that Twitter post from? I mean, GS lost to Jellal now. An we have the new modes for Laxus so they surpassed him or just closed the gap? I'm really interested now because that would mean Laxus & Natsu are the two top slayers in the world.
Well, both used only 3-4 spells, how can we speak about pl if the characters never go all out in the battles? Battles like this are in every fucking shounen in the last 10 years and that sucks, I don't know what is wrong with the authors but it sucks...
God Serena did not even use his diamond power against Jellals spells, he not even tried to block the spell with his diamond spells, so we can say that at least Serena doesn't use all of his power, he could spam his spells much more so that Jellal would have a hard time in the battle, maybe he would have even lost.
But like I said thats something that not happens only in this manga, this is in every shounen and always will be, because the authors are all bad writers, at least in battles and balance between main and side characters.