Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GodSlayer666]

The only Spriggan that Dimaria used her magic on was Brandish so we don’t know what would happen if she used it on the others now some may have ways to protect themselves. Only example people have that her spell doesn’t work on people stronger than her is END (but even that is debatable)

The only spriggans that should be able to protect themselves to protect themselves against Age Seal are August with his copy, Bloodman due to his intangibility (he would still be unable to move though) and Wall may too since his weakness can produce differnet kinds of magic he may able to produce some kind of time magic.

But then we still have the Irene and Larcade problem, starting with Irene assuming that her enchnatments would give her immunity to time stop would be a big assumption since we never saw her enchnatments giving immunity, we saw her enchantments giving abilities to bypass immunities, but let's stretch a little and assume she can. Larcade still absolutely can't, we already saw his abilities and they have nothing to do with time stop, and even his Etherious form in the Fairy Tail Goku Maho Ranbu game abilities are said to be Sin and Greed, sin i speculate that could be a stronger version of God Serena's dark dragon slayer magic, and though and i have no idea of what greed does i really doubt it has anything to do with immunity to time stop, so Larcade having any way to counter Age Seal outside of his power level is pure headcanon.

The order of strength is: August/Irene > Larcade > Dimaria > God Serena.

I only disagree with this, just because what Mashima put was August/Irene>Larcade,Dimaria,God Serena. And not just because of the greater than sign, there were other ways of putting this strength order. Mashima could have said ''August and Irene are above everyone, THEN Larcade, THEN Dimaria, THEN Serena'' you know, just like he did in the dragon slayer ranking. This way we could say that he was just mentioning the spriggans as he remembers them.

Besides Dimaria rank has a logic problem, if Age Seal has no restriction then ofcourse she would be able to be above Serena, but then she would be above anyone not named August and only due to his ability to copy her. But if she had a power level restriction like Brandish, so Serena should be above her too. The regular spriggans are said to have a similar power level, while Laxus should be much stronger than Ajeel, God Serena is even stronger than that and should be Gildarts level. Actually Gildarts himself seemed more impressive than the END who was stalemated by Gray and stopped by Erza, to be honest the Natsu who fought Zeref even without Savage Flames seemed more impressive than END. So if END>Dimaria, why not Gildarts>=God Serena>Dimaria? The God Serena is not a regular spriggan due to dragon slayer ranking, his mere historia being able of scratching Gildarts himself AND because Wolfheim was surprised by his power level despite previously thinking that he should be spriggan level

So what i mean is that, with all this elements in mind is hard to not put God Serena> Dimaria just because Dimaria name was mentioned first

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I only disagree with this, just because what Mashima put was August/Irene>Larcade,Dimaria,God Serena. And not just because of the greater than sign, there were other ways of putting this strength order.

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Mashima was listing the Spriggan in order from the strongest to the weakest, the question was about their order in terms of strength. God Serena is the strongest AFTER August, Irene, Larcade, and Dimaria. Period.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Mashima was listing the Spriggan in order from the strongest to the weakest, the question was about their order in terms of strength. God Serena is the strongest AFTER August, Irene, Larcade, and Dimaria. Period.

Then why he didn't put greater than sign like he did after August and Irene or said ''Larcade, then Dimaria, then God Serena''? And how is END>Dimaria>Gildarts if END struggles with Gray AND was stopped by Alvarez Erza (someone who couldn't even solo Ajeel) while Gildarts is said to be the Fairy Tail ace and can hold his own August?

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Then why he didn't put greater than sign like he did after August and Irene or said ''Larcade, then Dimaria, then God Serena''? And how is END>Dimaria>Gildarts if END struggles with Gray AND was stopped by Alvarez Erza (someone who couldn't even solo Ajeel) while Gildarts is said to be the Fairy Tail ace and can hold his own August?

You're too biased. There is nothing that suggests that the Natsu-END who fought Gray was stronger than the rampaged Natsu-END who attacked Dimaria.

 

[GodSlayer666]

You're too biased. There is nothing that suggests that the Natsu-END who fought Gray was stronger than the rampaged Natsu-END who attacked Dimaria.

Of all people here, you are the one saying i'm biased cough cough Minerva status parity with Erza cough cough

And i never said END got stronger against Gray, from where you took that? I just not convinced that Dimaria>Gildarts and Laxus just because of her name being mentioned before Serena.

 

[Ratrace]

The only spriggans that should be able to protect themselves to protect themselves against Age Seal are August with his copy, Bloodman due to his intangibility (he would still be unable to move though) and Wall may too since his weakness can produce differnet kinds of magic he may able to produce some kind of time magic.

But then we still have the Irene and Larcade problem, starting with Irene assuming that her enchnatments would give her immunity to time stop would be a big assumption since we never saw her enchnatments giving immunity, we saw her enchantments giving abilities to bypass immunities, but let's stretch a little and assume she can. Larcade still absolutely can't, we already saw his abilities and they have nothing to do with time stop, and even his Etherious form in the Fairy Tail Goku Maho Ranbu game abilities are said to be Sin and Greed, sin i speculate that could be a stronger version of God Serena's dark dragon slayer magic, and though and i have no idea of what greed does i really doubt it has anything to do with immunity to time stop, so Larcade having any way to counter Age Seal outside of his power level is pure headcanon.

No I’m saying that characters like Irene could have some kind of spell that could protect her from it. I didn’t say anything about immunity.
The rest are more difficult

 

[GodSlayer666]

No I’m saying that characters like Irene could have some kind of spell that could protect her from it. I didn’t say anything about immunity.
The rest are more difficult

Then the only explanation for them is having more power than Dimaria and this being a restriction for her

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Of all people here, you are the one saying i'm biased cough cough Minerva status parity with Erza cough cough

And i never said END got stronger against Gray, from where you took that? I just not convinced that Dimaria>Gildarts and Laxus just because of her name being mentioned before Serena.

It's so sad for you that, unlike you, I don't need to ignore three or four statements and the author's opinion to sustain my argument. (:

 

[Ratrace]

Then the only explanation for them is having more power than Dimaria and this being a restriction for her

If it doesn’t work or they don’t have a something to counter it then yes

 

[GodSlayer666]

It's so sad for you that, unlike you, I don't need to ignore three or four statements and the author's opinion to sustain my argument. (:

Put here the 4 statements and the author opinion i'm ignoring

As of now i'm just saying that August/Irene>Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena ≠ August/Irene>Larcade>Dimaria>God Serena

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Put here the 4 statements and the author opinion i'm ignoring

As of now i'm just saying that August/Irene>Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena ≠ August/Irene>Larcade>Dimaria>God Serena

Go read the Alvarez Empire Arc and see the stetments made about God Serena's level related to Spriggan 12 power level overall. Mashima was asked in a spoken interview about the strenght order of the Spriggans, so he clearly put Dimaria above God Serena. You just don't agree with it because, as I said, you are too biased towards God Serena.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Go read the Alvarez Empire Arc and see the stetments made about God Serena's level related to Spriggan 12 power level overall. Mashima was asked in a spoken interview about the strenght order of the Spriggans, so he clearly put Dimaria above God Serena. You just don't agree with it because, as I said, you are too biased towards God Serena.

The first statement with God Serena said that ALL other 11 spriggans could match him

There is other statement equalizing EVERYONE

Even disregarding the later explicit exceptions like August and Irene, there are other problem with God Serena, he was portrayed to be Gildarts level which makes him above Ajeel and Wall no matter what, Hiro even basically confirmed that he was above Laxus at Alvarez, wich makes Serena>>>>Ajeel>Wall

So it's not my fault that later material contradict this equalization, August, Irene and Larcade are actually contradictions, even Wall current rank is a contradiction if you take it so literally, so what's your point?

And no sir, i'm not biased towards Serena. Listen, every time i'm defending Serena i want everyone of you guys to understand that: i'm not defending Serena, i'm defending people around Serena level and people weaker than Serena. In case Gildarts is around Serena and people like Alvarez and Jellal and Laxus are below him, and even at his peak Gray should be below them, then i also don't really see END above any of them except Gray, so i don't see Dimaria>Jellal and Laxus, just that. Even with him being a jobber nowdays, peak Alvarez Gray should be stronger than Dimaria.

Is that possible that Dimaria>Gildarts and these other guys? Actually yes, as long as she don't have a power level restriction, but then this goes against narrative of Larcade and Irene. But can't she just be more powerful than God Serena and weaker than Larcade? Well this would make her magic power explictly different from other spriggans, something that was never pointed in the actual manga, and the only thing pointing it is a order that Mashima didn't even took the trouble of putting a greater than sign or anything to express superiority. Seriously, he could even make 1-August/Irene, 2-Larcade, 3-Dimaria, 4-God Serena, there were many ways to express Dimaria>Serena but he just didn't did that and that's what i'm pointing.

And to conclude i'm actualy not even ignoring these statements despite its flaws. The spriggans were said to be at the same level, but later material shows some exceptions, August, Irene, Larcade and God Serena. Dimaria was never pointed as a exception, so i'm assuming she is around level of other spriggans like Ajeel and Brandish. Time Stop is a broken power and would give her an advantage against her peers, that's why she defeated Brandish but this is another matter. And i just don't think that mentioning Dimaria before without any other element is enough to change that. The only exception the ranking explicitly showed was Wall below everyone.

And merry christmas for everybody

 

[Rigel]

Next week, we should have a gauge on Zero's power level.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

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Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts since she is stronger than God Serena. I don't know why you insist on doing mental gymnastics when there is a lot of evidence that God Serena is stronger than some Spriggans and weaker than the top 3 Spriggan and Dimaria, which makes the fact that he is be seen as "an average Spriggan" ok. Gildarts isn't portrayed as someone who can overcome Brandish's magic, for example, so why are you supposing that he is stronger than Dimaria? From what I understand, the wizard needs to be far stronger than the Spriggan who use hax to nullify it. Brandish was able to cast her magic on a wounded and not in battle mode August.
If Gildarts from one year ago would fight Dimaria, or he would have a kind of automatic spell to break the time-stopped area before he was frozen on time or Ultear would appear to help him.

 

[Darklord#10]

Next week, we should have a gauge on Zero's power level.

Natsu one shots him

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And why am i overestimating Serena? Because i'm using his rank above Laxus, his historia holding his own against Gildarts and

Gildarts called historia Serena a fly.

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So you also think that i'm overestimating Serena and that i'm doing 4D Chess around him. So i am the one who ranked him above Laxus, who made his historia hold his own against Gildarts himself and even scratch him, who made Gildarts praise Serena alive version and who made Serena get the upper against Jellal (100YQ Laxus rival) at the start of their fight, ok then

Yeah you're overestimating Serena. Stop talking about 4D chess you sound stupid. Gildarts called historia Serena a fly.

 

[GL_Nova]

Nah he said something like august and Irene are the strongest, then larcade god Serena and dimaria then the rest and said wahl was last.
Must be hard for laxussis

Why would you assume that? I mean if Ajeel is stronger and Laxus was stated by continually stated to be above the rest August to one-shot him. Laxus struggle being Wahl's counter and his own illness makes his deathbed performance no less impressive.

What kind of 4D Chess is this? I'm not saying that Suzaku is too strong for Laxus or anything like that, i just said the OBVIOUS, if Mashima needs to think more about who would win between Suzaku and THE GUY WHO DEFEATED KIRIN, so Suzaku is stronger than Kirin at the very least. Debate is over dude. Cmon Suzaku vs Laxus is a better debate and now you can argue that Laxus can leech Suzaku feats with a better material.



But i'm saying there is no need for anything else than the boost, if it had anything else it had to be explicitly stated, not just implied even because i can easily replace the ability meaning with power boost meaning only without prejudice. What i mean is that, if this ability was not directly explained i cannot just assume that it exist.

No 4D chess involved. He literally said their abilities aren't related so he has to think about it, which doesn't contradict anything that was said previously. If he just said it was a toss-up then yeah, but we were told it's about their magic types. He could have been like, Suzaku has beaten Kirin several times so he takes it. He coulda said Laxus stomps. Mashima isn't sure who he'd have win because of their magic types. Interesting, can't wait to see what we get from Suzaku and such next.

Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts since she is stronger than God Serena. I don't know why you insist on doing mental gymnastics when there is a lot of evidence that God Serena is stronger than some Spriggans and weaker than the top 3 Spriggan and Dimaria, which makes the fact that he is be seen as "an average Spriggan" ok. Gildarts isn't portrayed as someone who can overcome Brandish's magic, for example, so why are you supposing that he is stronger than Dimaria? From what I understand, the wizard needs to be far stronger than the Spriggan who use hax to nullify it. Brandish was able to cast her magic on a wounded and not in battle mode August.
If Gildarts from one year ago would fight Dimaria, or he would have a kind of automatic spell to break the time-stopped area before he was frozen on time or Ultear would appear to help him.

you think Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts?? Like actual

 

[Kiki]

Why would you assume that? I mean if Ajeel is stronger and Laxus was stated by continually stated to be above the rest August to one-shot him. Laxus struggle being Wahl's counter and his own illness makes his deathbed performance no less impressive.

wait you're right. that makes sense. we need to see through other pov. Wall is surely the weakest, but Laxus is capable of oneshotting Ajeel, who is above Wall. ooohhh

 

[Darklord#10]

Why would you assume that? I mean if Ajeel is stronger and Laxus was stated by continually stated to be above the rest August to one-shot him. Laxus struggle being Wahl's counter and his own illness makes his deathbed performance no less impressive

I'm not assuming anything. It what he said and everyone read the same thing.
August Irene>larcade dimaria and god Serena and last place is little tiny Mr Wahl . Laxus's performance ain't impressive. See how you're struggling to believe Wahl is the weakest s12. https://www.famitsu.com/article/202411/24613
Maybe laxus should have fought another top s12 like his equal Erza did. Nah he ghosted as usual when the big boys show up

Interesting, can't wait to see what we get from Suzaku and such next.

So you can leech feats for your boy laxus?

you think Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts?? Like actual

If mashima says so. Can't argue with the author right

 

[GodSlayer666]

Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts since she is stronger than God Serena. I don't know why you insist on doing mental gymnastics when there is a lot of evidence that God Serena is stronger than some Spriggans and weaker than the top 3 Spriggan and Dimaria, which makes the fact that he is be seen as "an average Spriggan" ok. Gildarts isn't portrayed as someone who can overcome Brandish's magic, for example, so why are you supposing that he is stronger than Dimaria? From what I understand, the wizard needs to be far stronger than the Spriggan who use hax to nullify it. Brandish was able to cast her magic on a wounded and not in battle mode August.
If Gildarts from one year ago would fight Dimaria, or he would have a kind of automatic spell to break the time-stopped area before he was frozen on time or Ultear would appear to help him.

There isn't many evidence that he is below Larcade, let alone Dimaria, Larcade was just said to be above regular spriggans like August and Irene, but he is explicitly said to be below them and no direct comparison with Fairy Tail S-Class mages was made, as they also are above regular spriggans, i mean, he can affect them, but a direct matchup could be a complete different story, you basically just need pain to resist his magic. Enchanted Neinhart can overcome Brandish magic, Natsu one shotted him, do you really think that Gildarts can't overcame her? Because this is precisely what i think, i also think that about Laxus and Jellal, all BDSK, Natsu depening on his emotions, DF Gajeel, peak Gray and 100YQ Erza. Natsu was only affected by Brandish because he let his guard down and lost his emotion amp that put him at S-Class level.

And it's not clear that it was a strength order, if he had put ''August, Irene, Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena'' fine, you would have a point and there were no way to run from the strength order, but the problem is precisely the greater than sign (>), it was put only after August and Irene and never used again, which created a doubt for even Larcade position.

Yeah you're overestimating Serena. Stop talking about 4D chess you sound stupid. Gildarts called historia Serena a fly.

Dude you are the weakest debater here, you mostly relies on Ad Hominem and now is being even dishonest, Gildarts called HISTORIA Serena a ''fly'' (small fry) and even then he was scratched by this ''fly'', but he praised his ALIVE VERSION.

Formidable mage=Fly according to mister AdHominemLord#10. Some accused me of spreading misinformation, but they never debunked me like i'm debunking this OBJECTIVE DISHONESTY

No 4D chess involved. He literally said their abilities aren't related so he has to think about it, which doesn't contradict anything that was said previously. If he just said it was a toss-up then yeah, but we were told it's about their magic types. He could have been like, Suzaku has beaten Kirin several times so he takes it. He coulda said Laxus stomps. Mashima isn't sure who he'd have win because of their magic types. Interesting, can't wait to see what we get from Suzaku and such next.

Suzaku was never beaten by Kirin, this is just headcanon, and Suzaku stomping Laxus is also a option. Bu what i'm pointing is that, the mere fact that Mashima HAS YET TO THINK about who would win between Suzaku and the GUY WHO DEFEATED KIRIN, is enough to put Suzaku above Kirin. Abilities details are just details that he needs to think to not answer arbitrarily, but the the pure doubt already puts Suzaku above Kirin.

 

[Darklord#10]

Dude you are the weakest debater here

. And you're the best? You're new here. I've been debating here since 2022. I don't take most of this debate seriously anymore because people like you have blockheads and information doesn't pass through it. Hell I haven't even read this manga since faris appeared.

Formidable mage=Fly according to mister AdHominemLord#10. Some accused me of spreading misinformation, but they never debunked me like i'm debunking this OBJECTIVE DISHONESTY

It doesn't change the fact that historia Serena is still a small fry. You try to sound like you're some kinda expert in power scaling or whatever but you're not. You just yap and yap and yap. You and your arguments have been debunked but you still yap