Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

No, i'm completely serious, how you guys would debunk Karameel>Irene if i just arbitrarily claim that Brandish got stronger ? Honest question

Why Karameel > Irene if Brandish, who defeat Karamell easily, isn't stronger than Irene?

 

[GodSlayer666]

Why Karameel > Irene if Brandish, who defeat Karamell easily, isn't stronger than Irene?

Because i can just arbitrarily claim that Brandish grew stronger. My point is to criticize implications AND arbitrary power growth assumptions.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Because i can just arbitrarily claim that Brandish grew stronger. My point is to criticize implications AND arbitrary power growth assumptions.

But you need to prove that she grew stronger enough to surpass Irene, once 1 year ago, Irene was far stronger than Brandish, after all Brandish said back then that she was no match for Irene in a battle.​

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My tier list is something like that:​

Supreme level: Acnologia dragon.​

Beyond Spriggan level: Dragon Gods dragon form, Zeref Fairy Heart, Acnologia human, Natsu that defeated Zeref Fairy Heart.​

High Spriggan level: August, Irene, Larcade (the weakest of the level), Athena (maybe), Zeref and dragon gods human form.​

Mid Spriggan level: God Serena, Gildarts, Laxus, Erza, Jelall, Brandish, Dimaria, Bloodman, Sting Shadow White, Natsu without DF, Kirin, Misaki, Suzaku, Lusso and Enie (duo) with Viernes power, Gray DF.​

Low Spriggan level: Neinhart, Jacob, Mirajane, Gajeel IS + DF, Lucy starmix, Wendy overall, Minerva, Rogue (maybe), Kagura (maybe), Elfman, Jura (maybe).​

Below Spriggan level: Juvia, Lucy stardress only, Gray without DF, Cobra, Yukino stardress (maybe), Freed, Cana, Sherria, Lyon, Racer.​

I will not classify all the characters, but my vision is mostly something like this.​

 

[GodSlayer666]

But you need to prove that she grew stronger enough to surpass Irene, once 1 year ago, Irene was far stronger than Brandish, after all Brandish said back then that she was no match for Irene in a battle.​

So when people claim that the characters get stronger each arc while Gray was completely stagnant till Viernes i also can ask for evidences of it.

Besides i could just use Wed’s implygnario implication scaling as evidence lmao

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

So when people claim that the characters get stronger each arc while Gray was completely stagnant till Viernes i also can ask for evidences of it.

Besides i could just use Wed’s implygnario implication scaling as evidence lmao

??

 

[GodSlayer666]

??

Wed implied that signarios were stronger than Irene. With that one can assume that Team Natsu grew so strong to the point that Lucy even without Star Dress Mix far surpassed Irene as just her Aquarius Dress low diffed someone implied to be stronger than Irene. Karameel should at least be comparable to this someone stronger than Irene and so can be assumed to be stronger than her too. Brandish also could just have grow strong enough to fit with it. That’s the results of implygnarios implication scaling.

 

[Ratrace]

Mashima mentioned that Laxus will be in this arc, so I imagine he'll likely face one of the Bloody Calamities.

Most likely

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Jellal's greatest achievement so far is defeating God Serena.

Does that matter to Hiro?

 

[Rigel]

Most likely

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Does that matter to Hiro?

Well, the manga is coming to an end. Until Hiro starts a new FT series, Jellal will remain above God Serena only (Spriggan level), and that will be the extent of his power level due to his lack of feats. This lack of accomplishments directly affects his standing, leaving him considerably below others. At most, people can still rely on narrative representation to argue for a higher placement, but in terms of concrete feats, he will remain far lower.

 

[Ratrace]

Well, the manga is coming to an end. Until Hiro starts a new FT series, Jellal will remain above God Serena only (Spriggan level), and that will be the extent of his power level due to his lack of feats. This lack of accomplishments directly affects his standing, leaving him considerably below others. At most, people can still rely on narrative representation to argue for a higher placement, but in terms of concrete feats, he will remain far lower.

I know that but like I said does Hiro care about that. Plus there’s not a lot of options when it comes to fights unless Hiro adds more enemies

 

[Rigel]

I know that but like I said does Hiro care about that. Plus there’s not a lot of options when it comes to fights unless Hiro adds more enemies

Oh, I agree. I'm not upset about Jellal; to me, he neither stinks nor stands out. I just pointed out that his power level will drop, just as Mirajane's did due to her lack of development.

 

[Ratrace]

Oh, I agree. I'm not upset about Jellal; to me, he neither stinks nor stands out. I just pointed out that his power level will drop, just as Mirajane's did due to her lack of development.

One of the other things Hiro could do is tell us how strong each character is of course that may not matter to some people

 

[Rigel]

One of the other things Hiro could do is tell us how strong each character is of course that may not matter to some people

He talked a little about this a few months ago when he made a comparison between Natsu and Laxus.

 

[Ratrace]

He talked a little about this a few months ago when he made a comparison between Natsu and Laxus.

True but it would be nice if he did that with other characters

 

[WoWfan]

Insane world-ending power lol.Acnos feats were just so garbage

Well he ate a dimension of magic which is insane, considering it was going to be used to end the world anyway And create a new one.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Jellal didn't use Senma to defeat any of the strong foes that he fought, so he (full power version) is stronger that what was shown.​

 

[Rigel]

Jellal didn't use Deus Senma to defeat any of the strong foes that he fought, so he (full power version) is stronger that what was shown.​

He doesn't have Deus Sema, just Sema.

Deus Sema is an upgrade to this spell, used by Irene through Master Enchantment.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

He doesn't have Deus Sema, just Sema.

Deus Sema is an upgrade to this spell, used by Irene through Master Enchantment.

I mistook the name, but I was thinking about his meteor, and not the one that Irene enchanted.​

 

[grey matter]

At the beginning of this arc, Mercphobia demonstrates that he can kill his targets quickly by flooding everything and drowning them in the process.

Yeah.

But it doesn't even need to get there. My point was, Merc can just do to team Natsu, what dragon Selene did to George, just by his raw stats. Proof is simply him taking no damage from the combined effort of team Natsu enchanted with DS magic, they were nothing more than ants to him. Unless his offence doesn't scale with his durability, and he is just defence with no offense lol.

Most of the things you said are feats what has nothing to do with their fight against the protagonists.
Mercs feat with the ocean or Selenes feat with other worlds/planets is similar to feats like Walls 400KM laser, Irenes country enchantment (U1), August Ars Magia magic, Invels snow storm spell, Silvers frozen village feat, Ezels town feat, Jackals town feat, Tempesters town feat, etc.

Sure.
Difference is that they are on completely different planes. You can say maybe August's country level destruction, or Eileen's country enchantment was a feat comparable to Merc's ocean flip, in terms of AOE at least. Difference is that Eileen needed prep time, and she just rearranged it, not destroyed. August's was destruction yes, but dude needed to sacrifice his lifespan for it.
Merc's ocean flip was a casual side effect of dude just powering up lmao. It's top 3 aura farm in the verse, along with Acno absorbing singularity (top 1 easy), and Selene's planetary effect.

Yes, AOE destruction isn't same as combat stats or overall power level.
And it is obviously expected for "Acno tiers" to have much better AOE than Spriggans or demons.

My main issue is with actual FEATS or overall power level

Well that can also be said about Tartaros or the S12 members, all of them were hyped (some more than other but all of them were hyped) and all got the protagonist treatment

All of them did good feats and much better feats than in their battles against the protagonsist.

Imo almost all enemies are or were much stronger than the protagonists at least since Tartaros and they only won because of the plot....

The issue isn't that they got rekt due to plot armour. Nothing defeats plot armour in this series.

The issue is that they were WEAK compared to their original hype and protagonists.

I completely disagree that they did better against the protagonists. In fact, my main issue, as I mentioned earlier, was that they were UNDERDOGS against the good guys.

Like, that is the main issue.

In the interest of keepings things not dragging a lot longer by addressing them individually, and while also addressing your overall argument regarding feats of Spriggans and demons.

Let's ignore all the aura farming, statements and what not. And just see how these characters fared in their actual battles, facing against the protagonists. What are their feats and portrayal, in direct comparison to our good guys.

Demons:

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- LFD Natsu was outright stronger than Jackal, and in fact most demons (everyone aside from Mard Geer, Silver and Kyouka....maybe Sayla too)
This is a big issue, because back in x791, Natsu wasn't a top dog like he is now. There were many human mages stronger than him - FT S class (with Mira being debatable but still likely stronger), all wizard saints, Bluenote, etc.

- Laxus, someone ~ Jura, LOW DIFF'D Tempesta.

- Ezel: lost to Wendy. DF or not, it's just Wendy dude. Give Wendy DF and she still isn't touching base Natsu or Gajeel. It's just sad, more underwhelming than even Tempesta getting low diff by Laxus

Compare these, to the BENCHMARK set by DELIORA. Deliora SHITS on every demon of Tartarus except Mard Geer (and Silver, only due to slayer advantage). You clearly see the issue here??
Deliora was un unstoppable monster. A force of nature that just kept annihilating cities after cities, that couldn't even be stopped by standard WS caliber mages. While Tartarus demons, with all their legends and hype of "demons of book of Zeref", mostly amounted to being SCRUBS.

Standard spriggans.

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There were multiple instances where Spriggans outright received INFERIOR portrayal to the protagonists. I'm addressing portrayal here, because their feats already are dogshit, and as we saw they all got defeated. I am using portrayal here, because that is what people still use to wank them.

- Ajeel against Laxus. August outright implied that Ajeel would get killed by Laxus. A nuke used by the dude with barely any prep time. Best case scenario for Ajeel is him surviving with severe injuries, nothing else makes sense from the context.

- Wahl against Laxus. Straight up admitted that he is the underdog against NERFED Laxus, and that the nerf was the only reason he could compete even.

- Neinhart shitting his pants from Jellal flexing his magic power. You don't freak out from sensing a magic power inferior or comparable to you. This outright shows that Jellal's magic power was on a different level from Neinhart's

- Natsu basically outright admitting that he could've ended Jacob whenever he pleased, with him massively holding back only due to not wanting to destroy the guild

Compare this to God Serena, the BENCHMARK. Serena destroyed 4 GOI in a 1v4 with raw stats, and is basically confirmed to be equal of x792 Gildarts. He no diff'd CURRENT ISM Gajeel (who scales above all forms of x792 Natsu except DF), and pushed CURRENT Jellal (>> x792 Laxus/Jellal) to a high diff (in a fight where Serena dominated for the most part). Mashima even outright confirmed Serena > Laxus and Natsu (two characters who got clear superior portrayal to other Spriggans), though it isn't clear whether he was referring to x793 or x792 versions (likely x792 versions).
Standard spriggans SUCK compare to their original portrayal. Only Dimaria and maybe Invel lived upto their hype. And Dimaria too only because her hax is that broken (her combat stats otherwise suck too), no different from Signiario sisters who have broken hax with shit stats.

Special Spriggans:

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- Eileen. Lets just consider raw combat feats in a real fight, ignoring stuff like rearranging a country with prep time (great showcase of magic power but irrelevant in a real fight), or her "surviving" against casual Acnologia (a feat that was considerably upstaged by JELLAL).
Her true fight in the series was against Erza and Wendy. Many of her enchantments were countered by Wendy. Human Eileen was pushed to her limits by fire pants Erza after Wendy went down temporarily, she had advantage yes, but she was so pressed by fire pants Erza that she got frustrated and transformed to dragon form. Mind you, this was Erza before the broken bones and PoF bullshit.
Dragon Eileen, well........got one shot by DS enchanted Erza

- Larcade
Yes, dude had hax and could've taken down Gildarts and Laxus. But considering his portrayal, someone surviving his hax shouldn't take him down if he's basically Future Rouge minus dual mastery and 6 years.
Larcade is basically someone who would be LOW DIFF'D by future Rouge, just because he can survive his hax.
It simply isn't acceptable for a "special Spriggan" to be some hax merchant. Most of the average Spriggans being trash tiers with hax was bad enough already.

Compare this to August, the BENCHMARK for "special Spriggans". Solo'd crime sorciere (whose stronger members like Cobra and Midnight are comparable or close to standard Spriggan level) and Jellal (above all standard Spriggan except God Serena). Was low diffing Gildarts. He instantly learns any magic and becomes immune to it - the ultimate hax till date in the series after maybe Acnologia/Zeref ability (use any ability on him and it doesn't work, and he just instantly learns it. WTF).
Not even that, remove his hax and you get a mage with raw combat stats on or above Gildarts level. Imagine that, remove all his main abilities and you get Gildarts lmao!! And when Gildarts hit him with the only move that could damage him, he TANKED it with just a bloody lip. You know someone is truly respected by the author when the character deals with attacks meant to counter him, while regular villains get a mental breakdown and gets one shot in the same scenario.

My point was more that the S12 and most members of Tartaros were only servants and did many feats and destruction feats, while the DG are the main enemies and main bosses of each FT100YQ arc and so far nothing what they did had made a real damage to FT or the world.

Agreed. It isn't a fair comparison to compare underlings with bosses.

This is why I compared the performance of Dragon Gods, to Mard Geer, Zeref and Acnologia.

But I don't see how this is different from Mard Geer performed later in the arc, after he matched CSK - a reality warping God throwing city level slashes, in his suppressed base form, while being disappointed at how weak CSK was.
Or how Zeref performed in the entire Alverass arc, after having massive buildup since first arc of the series. Dude was basically revered as a dark God, with cults and legends built around him.
Or how Acnologia managed to have no death count aside from Serena (a villain without plot armour), in spite of being the absolute strongest ever in the series.

The only reason I even made the comparison was because many people here compare them to DGs. Well, we can do that, and see that even relative to the expectations, DGs mostly lived upto their hype of raw combat prowess at least.

But it isn't fair to compare underlings to bosses, so I am even willing to let it slide. Just putting it out there for those who care.

I see it different imo the DG and also the S12 and Tartaros had good feats had a huge PL, not to forget that Tartaros was 2 years ago (FT time), during that time, town busters was a huge feat, only dragons were stronger.

Same with the S12 besides the dragons, only few characters were able to do more destruction than the S12.

When we discuss power level, it has to be relative to the protagonists, for obvious reasons.
And this is where Tartarus demons and Spriggans failed for the most part.

I am not impressed by destructive capabilities alone at this point. Yes it's hype, but they say nothing about how characters compare to the good guys, which is ultimately what matters. Characters like Jellal had city level AOE as early as back in x784

Ah okay. Well at least Natsu can use this kind of lvl, but again a thing I hate, besides that, we never saw this kind of spells from Natsu or others like Erza etc.

Natsu used a small country level attack at the end of the fight with Aldaron. When he combined Atlas flames and Ignia flames with his dragon force. The attack resulted in blowing a hold through dragon Aldaron's torso, and dragon Aldaron is a country sized dragon.

It is till date the biggest destructive attack from a human in the series, with August's Ars magia potentially being bigger if completed (at the expense of his life)

Erza never had high AOE, she is all about lethality and attack power.

If Mashimas ruins them, then the manga is lost....

Yeah, last chance.

I am willing to ignore the travesty that was F&F, if eclipse dragons dominate.

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Mard Geer, Zeref and Acnologia were all plot victims too, I never said they were potrayed good (the whole time).

You said it already, Mard Geer was able to fight the CSK in his base form, he even crushed Sting, Rogue, Natsu at the same time until Gray comed with his new plot power, something I hate the most in the whole manga, DeS magic is one of the most useless and stupid idead Mashima ever had.

Dragon Slayer magic? Okay, makes sense, so far, all (real) dragons were only defeated because of the DS power.

God Slayer magic? Okay, makse sense too, Dimarias case proved it.

But Demon Slayer magic? For what reason you need that? Most of the demons were defeated from characters who can't use DeS magic, so there is no reason for this magic, it was only a plot device with that Mard Geer and END can be defeated....

Addressing this separately cause this annoyed me a lot in the past as well.

VERY CLEARLY, Mashima changed plans sometime in the future.

During Tartarus, DeS magic had a very clear path forward, when END was established as one of the three main endgame powers, alongside Acnologia and Zeref.

He was very clearly intended to be an actual demon that existed in the past. Igneel knew of him, and Acnologia was clearly implied to be threatened by him. Mard Geer had true loyalty, zeal and admiration for him; he was such a giga fanboy of END that he apologized to the book when he had to place it down in order to fight seriously.

All that, and Mashima RETCONNED the entire thing; basically boiled it all down to "Mard Geer lied". Yeah righ, Mard apparently just got the creator's brother's book "randomly". Dude was ready to die for him and was lying....I'm supposed to believe that. Utterly shameful writing, truly disgusting. I guess Aconolgia and Igneel were delusional too lmao. Ohh right, and every other demon is from the book (either the book exists or it transforms to the demon, with Natsu conveniently being the one exception who is separate from his book)

This is similar level of gaslighting that he used to retcon Selene - biggest psychopath amongst the dragons, the only truly evil dragon god IMO, and he expects us to believe she just wants to help humans all along! He thinks the readers are stupid.

Insane world-ending power lol.Acnos feats were just so garbage

LMFAO.
Powered up Acnologia by the way.

My point right here @Shiki_Dragneel

Strongest ever, who would potentially solo the DGs in that state. And dude had building level destructions....
You can be as strong as you want, nothing matters when plot is restricting you from using it.

Acnologia's best feat was in his human form, one shotting Serena while August couldn't even perceive what had happened and looked straight. Guess that's what happens when you put him against characters without plot armour, he can actually use his true powers!
Till date the best combat feat from a non dragon, with only competition even remotely close being Suzaku one shotting Erza and Natsu back to back in his intro with his raw power.

 

[WoWfan]

To Clarify, Irene could perceive Acno’s attack and he was trying even more than he did to GS as he acknowledged her, and Irene scales to August, August was more shocked to see GS dead that quickly as he was claimed to have been “blessed by the Dragon Gods”.

And for Suzaku, at least for Erza, she could still react to him but her clothing had zero defense power and was already tired from her previous battle that drains her magic, Natsu likely charged in without thinking as well.

 

[grey matter]

Acnologia, who had grayed out face and serious expression to performing a blitz attack, against a dragon Slayer he smelled and actively tracked down. Was apparently less serious that the the Acno who was bored, didn't realise he was facing a DS (classic plot armour), and making funny faces.
No mention about Jellal upstaging ALL of that.

August was just "surprised" and had no issue reacting. Cause that's why he kept looking straight when acnologia reached 100m behind him.

Erza was "exhausted" against Suzaku, inspite of ending her fight within minutes with little to no injury.
But against Eileen, where she fought two spriggans prior where she almost died twice, and had her both arms charred and almost shattered right before? Nah, we don't bring that up!

Such shameless dishonesty in display here.