Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GodSlayer666]

Magically based on a spell with specific conditions yes as none can’t really stop it unless they can’t sleep, Acno doesn’t Know that, how would he Since Zeref said he will kill humanity, magic makes one stronger which was appropriated by Irene. The way this Time Reset is described is complete destruction of the world to create a new one, it is likely to spare people of the horror. Well let us just agree to disagree on what is considered rumors then.

So Larcade is magically superior to Sting, but physically inferior. He knew Zeref was around for 400 years and didn't aged, so he knew Zeref was immortal and he just accepted the challenge to WAIT for the final battle.

The whole problem that make me believe this is just rumors is the scaling i pointed. How Gray is not beating Zeref knowing that Viernes should be comparable to the Aldoron who was superior to DF Natsu ?

 

[WoWfan]

So Larcade is magically superior to Sting, but physically inferior. He knew Zeref was around for 400 years and didn't aged, so he knew Zeref was immortal and he just accepted the challenge to WAIT for the final battle.

The whole problem that make me believe this is just rumors is the scaling i pointed. How Gray is not beating Zeref knowing that Viernes should be comparable to the Aldoron who was superior to DF Natsu ?

Not really, I am referring to the perks of his magic. Like hax which have conditions to work on even stronger beings like Zeref or Natsu (while Larcade was grievously injured). I am not referring to his immortality, but the fact that he can do the same thing as Acno could from his mouth. Same way how Lucy with Brandish’s power could harm a full power DG, and Brandish is still weaker than Zeref.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Not really, I am referring to the perks of his magic. Like hax which have conditions to work on even stronger beings like Zeref or Natsu (while Larcade was grievously injured). I am not referring to his immortality, but the fact that he can do the same thing as Acno could from his mouth. Same way how Lucy with Brandish’s power could harm a full power DG, and Brandish is still weaker than Zeref.

Wait, wait, so you really think that WSDM Sting is overall stronger than Larcade and was just losing via hax? Because this would put him above most spriggans and i say even above the likes of 100YQ Mira, but at same time Larcade would look weaker than what i was thinking. Yes Zeref said that he could obliterate humans, but the thing is, he had an army and actually a plan of achieving Fairy Heart. Acnologia maybe don't knew about that, but he would wait to check how Zeref was gonna obliterate humans in the final battle. They could harm a DG in one of the most egregious fights ever, but teh thing is, Zeref was never shown to be a good fighter to begin with. And being completely honest, Brandish and Lucy harming Merc is like an equivalent to Ultear beating Zeref

Ironically, Ultears loses to Gray later lmao

 

[WoWfan]

Wait, wait, so you really think that WSDM Sting is overall stronger than Larcade and was just losing via hax? Because this would put him above most spriggans and i say even above the likes of 100YQ Mira, but at same time Larcade would look weaker than what i was thinking. Yes Zeref said that he could obliterate humans, but the thing is, he had an army and actually a plan of achieving Fairy Heart. Acnologia maybe don't knew about that, but he would wait to check how Zeref was gonna obliterate humans in the final battle. They could harm a DG in one of the most egregious fights ever, but teh thing is, Zeref was never shown to be a good fighter to begin with. And being completely honest, Brandish and Lucy harming Merc is like an equivalent to Ultear beating Zeref

Ironically, Ultears loses to Gray later lmao

Yes that would put him above most Spriggans and MP = Physical stats. RIP world on anyone who experiences sleep regardless of stats. Mira would just be little above the average Spriggans level based on her opponent Daemon, should still be weaker than Larcade. He mentioned none of it and Acno had no idea if he had it, the context is in power which Zeref said if Acno applied himself he could take over the world, and Acno said Zeref can do the same thing. Acno was moving at the same time as everyone else is. Zeref has shown to be able to go blow for blow with Natsu who is a skilled fighter which is impressive. Zeref was already weakened in that fight for valuing life while Merc was at full power.

 

[GodSlayer666]

s. Mira would just be little above the average Spriggans level based on her opponent Daemon

Daemon? Don't know how she wouldn't be just sub-spriggan now, she was stalled by Angel and base Mira and trolled by Aldoron.

He mentioned none of it and Acno had no idea if he had it, the context is in power which Zeref said if Acno applied himself he could take over the world, and Acno said Zeref can do the same thing. Acno was moving at the same time as everyone else is. Zeref has shown to be able to go blow for blow with Natsu who is a skilled fighter which is impressive. Zeref was already weakened in that fight for valuing life while Merc was at full power.

If he didn't knew about Zeref army so i think it's also safe to assume that he didn't knew who could beat Zeref, besides he shouldn't be very familiar with Guiltina, there are many dragon survivors there. Zeref was shown to be able to go blow to blow with Base Natsu and my whole point started because even that Dragon Force Natsu should be weaker than God Seed Aldoron, Viernes and Gray. Merc seemed mindless in that fight and performed better with less than half of his power.
Now i noticed that you are using an example of Lucy and brandish defeating Merc despite being weaker than him to say Zeref can beat Gray? So Zerefcan beat Gray despite being weaker than him? Well, this i can agree with

 

[WoWfan]

Daemon? Don't know how she wouldn't be just sub-spriggan now, she was stalled by Angel and base Mira and trolled by Aldoron.



If he didn't knew about Zeref army so i think it's also safe to assume that he didn't knew who could beat Zeref, besides he shouldn't be very familiar with Guiltina, there are many dragon survivors there. Zeref was shown to be able to go blow to blow with Base Natsu and my whole point started because even that Dragon Force Natsu should be weaker than God Seed Aldoron, Viernes and Gray. Merc seemed mindless in that fight and performed better with less than half of his power.
Now i noticed that you are using an example of Lucy and brandish defeating Merc despite being weaker than him to say Zeref can beat Gray? So Zerefcan beat Gray despite being weaker than him? Well, this i can agree with

Nothing would suggest she didn’t get stronger like the other OS, trolled doesn’t really mean much when she melted his body, Aldoron would just regenerate. Considering Acno’s surprise at Natsu who fought him only getting off with only a lost arm, it is fair he didn’t expect Natsu to win Either. with Selene in another dimension makes sense but it could be either he didn’t have the range of smell or he was confident the dragons he fought previously were did, considering he fought both Ignia and Aldoron at least. Wait, are we talking about DF Natsu fighting FH Zeref? If so, then Natsu had savage flames which are the hottest flames he could muster which burnt time itself, and that burnt him too. Merc was mindless before too, and even FP Merc could do the same thing with lifting the water into the air. Gray was not stronger than him, the same way that Ur was not stronger than Deliora but won by using powerful forbidden spells. With Lucy she could still harm him once she became giant, but her goal is not killing but getting him back to normal, not saying that she would win but it is shown that Merc Would not win so easily and would struggle too.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Nothing would suggest she didn’t get stronger like the other OS, trolled doesn’t really mean much when she melted his body, Aldoron would just regenerate.

Nothing suggests that anyone outside of Juvia got stronger, even few members in the main team seemed to get stronger, i'm not assuming arbitrary power growths. And even the lacrima destruction was just Aldoron trolling them by Natsu team conversation

He fought Aldoron because it was impossible to hide a giant dragon. Ignia probably should have challenged him. There were multiple surviving dragons when Georg was around so Acnologia definitely wasn't that familiar with Guiltina.

No, the DF was gone when Natsu fought FH Zeref, it was savage flames Natsu who fought him. But i mean is that, from being an Ultear victim to be above most spriggan there is a huge gap for someone who is just don't have full control of his magic, without full control of his magic he can potentially kill a dragon god by accident but also be defeated by Ultear. Gray was not stronger at the time but now that he can even beat Viernes, so he should be stronger

 

[WoWfan]

Nothing suggests that anyone outside of Juvia got stronger, even few members in the main team seemed to get stronger, i'm not assuming arbitrary power growths. And even the lacrima destruction was just Aldoron trolling them by Natsu team conversation

He fought Aldoron because it was impossible to hide a giant dragon. Ignia probably should have challenged him. There were multiple surviving dragons when Georg was around so Acnologia definitely wasn't that familiar with Guiltina.

No, the DF was gone when Natsu fought FH Zeref, it was savage flames Natsu who fought him. But i mean is that, from being an Ultear victim to be above most spriggan there is a huge gap for someone who is just don't have full control of his magic, without full control of his magic he can potentially kill a dragon god by accident but also be defeated by Ultear. Gray was not stronger at the time but now that he can even beat Viernes, so he should be stronger

It would since there are members like Lisanna and Elfman who showed to have gotten stronger too. That would just be Aldoron absorbing the Lacrima into him which apparently is common to DGs, that doesn’t change that Aldoron melted and can regenerate, making Daemon scale. Aldoron himself stated that he wasn’t always that big that he only got bigger overtime. He had DF when he fought against FH Zeref, it was just when he put all of his power into one attack which ended up failing so he used his peak power after recovery SF. That is not really how that works as Zeref simply said it doesn’t do what he wants so his power is in flux, not a fixed weakened state. Gray only beat Viernes in a human form and with strategy versus raw power.

 

[GodSlayer666]

It would since there are members like Lisanna and Elfman who showed to have gotten stronger too. That would just be Aldoron absorbing the Lacrima into him which apparently is common to DGs, that doesn’t change that Aldoron melted and can regenerate, making Daemon scale. Aldoron himself stated that he wasn’t always that big that he only got bigger overtime. He had DF when he fought against FH Zeref, it was just when he put all of his power into one attack which ended up failing so he used his peak power after recovery SF. That is not really how that works as Zeref simply said it doesn’t do what he wants so his power is in flux, not a fixed weakened state. Gray only beat Viernes in a human form and with strategy versus raw power.

Lisanna OK, but Elfman was already fighting Ajeel in Alvarez, even if got stronger wasn't a good margin. Let's be honest, Mirajane is probably gonna low diff Daemon the moment she uses a new transformation, the Aldoron feat would be so insignificant that the explanation is simply Aldoron trolled even if he lacrima was just absorbed and it wasn't a fake lacrima.

He wiped FH Zeref with DF, but after that one attack the transformation was done

This human form still scales to God Seed Aldoron who was stronger than DF Natsu

 

[WoWfan]

Lisanna OK, but Elfman was already fighting Ajeel in Alvarez, even if got stronger wasn't a good margin. Let's be honest, Mirajane is probably gonna low diff Daemon the moment she uses a new transformation, the Aldoron feat would be so insignificant that the explanation is simply Aldoron trolled even if he lacrima was just absorbed and it wasn't a fake lacrima.

He wiped FH Zeref with DF, but after that one attack the transformation was done

This human form still scales to God Seed Aldoron who was stronger than DF Natsu

I am referring after Alvarez as Elfman had assistance too. I would not think so for the Aldoron as we have seen characters able to cause damage to his dragon body while they fought each other atop him. For FH Zeref that is liken to that of assuming Aldoron was trolling that he trolled Natsu too just to show how pointless it was. God Seed scales to dragon form DGs as he stated his strength is the reflection of his Dragon Form.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I am referring after Alvarez as Elfman had assistance too. I would not think so for the Aldoron as we have seen characters able to cause damage to his dragon body while they fought each other atop him. For FH Zeref that is liken to that of assuming Aldoron was trolling that he trolled Natsu too just to show how pointless it was. God Seed scales to dragon form DGs as he stated his strength is the reflection of his Dragon Form.

I'm also talking about 100YQ Elfman, he went from fighting a spriggan with help to fight Madmole, and since Elfman should still be a tier below Mira both him and Madmole should still be sub-spriggans, don't think Skullion is higher than a spriggan. People can take few hp from him, melting the entire dragon was always out of question. Fairy Heart Zeref should be stronger than GS Aldoron at this point, but he literally died against DF Natsu, so he wasn't trolling, even because his defeat only happened because he was heavily nerfed, and this is actually why i question Base Zeref power level.

I'm just going with what the manga showed

 

[WoWfan]

I'm also talking about 100YQ Elfman, he went from fighting a spriggan with help to fight Madmole, and since Elfman should still be a tier below Mira both him and Madmole should still be sub-spriggans, don't think Skullion is higher than a spriggan. People can take few hp from him, melting the entire dragon was always out of question. Fairy Heart Zeref should be stronger than GS Aldoron at this point, but he literally died against DF Natsu, so he wasn't trolling, even because his defeat only happened because he was heavily nerfed, and this is actually why i question Base Zeref power level.

I'm just going with what the manga showed

To be fair that Elfman back then had a way of countering Ajeel’s magic but still needed assistance where Lisanna helped. And with the tag team battle Mira was holding back which the outcome would go either way with Elfman having returned to base at sometime before the end. Maybe, could be something overtime, but the end result would give what happened to him initially. I wasn’t using DF Natsu vs Aldoron but with Daemon and Aldoron for comparing it to DF Natsu and FH Zeref if going by trolling. We will just have to wait and see how the Aldoron battle ends

 

[GodSlayer666]

Mirajane admitted that she wasn't sure she could win. And if Mirajane was holding back just because of Elfman, Skullion also should be holding back because of Madmole, his strongest attack has a big range and could affect Madmole.

I would have waited, but at this point Aldoron is already being stalled by a weakned Selene. His only possible redemption was negging Selene but this is already out of question.

 

[WoWfan]

Mirajane admitted that she wasn't sure she could win. And if Mirajane was holding back just because of Elfman, Skullion also should be holding back because of Madmole, his strongest attack has a big range and could affect Madmole.

I would have waited, but at this point Aldoron is already being stalled by a weakned Selene. His only possible redemption was negging Selene but this is already out of question.

Sure, the same is be said about Skullion and Madmole not sure if they can beat them as well. Mira says she holds back because of a personal preference when there is someone watching her back during the GMG. There can be the factor of Power of Feelings as to allies able to hold there own.

 

[Rigel]

I believe Mira received a slight power boost with the acquisition of her Daemon form, given her versatility and solid offensive and defensive capabilities. I also think Mira could defeat some characters who are technically stronger than her, due to the "hax" nature of her acid magic.

As for Elfman, he’s definitely stronger than Madmole after gaining the boost from absorbing part of Aldoron’s power. However, we still don’t know if his Aldoron-powered arm grants him any new abilities beyond just increasing his offensive strength.

I hope Mashima gives us more focus on the Strauss siblings in the upcoming chapters so we can better understand their current level of progress.

 

[Steven]

I hope Mashima gives us more focus on the Strauss siblings

 

[Rigel]

I think it's possible; it's not necessary to show a full fight between these characters and new enemies, but rather to show a few frames from the manga where Mira and Elfman demonstrate some of the abilities of their new transformations. This is certainly enough for the reader to get a sense of the evolution of these characters.

 

[kian]

Bro is a certified hater.

You can’t be still mad about that 10 year old ass whooping Mira gave Freed?

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I think that Skullion and Daemon are very close in strenght overall (Skullion has a better feat for defeating Devil Slayer Gray.)

 

[Steven]

Bro is a certified hater.

You can’t be still mad about that 10 year old ass whooping Mira gave Freed?

I dont care about that lol.I know that Mira beats Freed