Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

People are mentioning that she used Anchor's magic against him. I don't think that's a fact, but rather an interpretation of the scene.

Yeah, from context, Juvia used that Water Dragon’s attack to move around better.

 

[LaGOAT]

From what I’m understanding is hiro explains natsu’s power by saying natsu without temporary power or POF/emotion is weaker than erza laxus and gildartz but when those situations arises he is stronger than all of them. so all his powers he using on his own is somehow weaker but when we see him beating stronger opponents he usually would have to using temporary buff or POF/emotion is somehow involved with his strength hence why we see some crazy feats from natsu. It’s probably because it’s one of the following

 

[Ronin31]

Somehow Fairy Tail is the only media where people makes overconvoluted analysis to dismiss ABC logic when nothing in the freaking manga suggests that you should dismiss ABC logic. If character B can beat C but not A then A>B>C, simple like that. But even with spriggans people want to overconvolute when he is not even a hax user, Kirin>RL Laxus>Wall, simple like that. Same logic if Character C can't beat character B but Character A can, A>B>C: Natsu>Wed>Erza don't try to overconvolute when none of them are hax users. Erza can become stronger than Wed in next chapters, but by now she is weaker than both.

Kyria had hypnosis hax, don't try to overconvolute things when there is no hax involved. And Erza used enchantments to match Laxus, he seemed to be able to low diff Base Erza at the time as he one shotted her lightning armor.



I don't even think that DF Natsu was stronger than Gildarts back at Aldoron arc, so yes, there are times.

Fine, in Alvarez context Mashima give 600 to Natsu without buffs https://i.ibb.co/d7XPdDL/20240502-031935.jpg And 500 to Cobra https://i.ibb.co/Kz9Fgqy/20240502-032004.jpg Even now current Cobra can just extreme diff Blade while Natsu one shotted two spriggans. The gap between them wouldn't be justified with these numbers unless this is just Base Natsu and not FDKM Natsu, as Alvarez Base Natsu should be even weaker than Jacob.

And of course there is this

I'm based on feats and logic to say that protagonist buffs are not temporary. What's your basis ? Your wish of Erza being stronger ?

You, who present yourself as factual, also expose the contexts.

2 completely different situations :
* First, Erza fought in a standard way.
* In the second one, where you show Natsu exploding WED, remember that he is galvanized to have seen the illusion of the city’s inhabitants burn before their eyes.

Galvanisation.jpg

• Ronin31
• Apr 16, 2026

The best conditions to galvanize and give Natsu a temporary boost of power driven by emotions. This Natsu is boosted, just like the other members of the team who also one-shot their opponents who until then had put up a small resistance.

F&F made the mistake of awkwardly raising the power of the Fairy Tail team, which eventually crushed them with basic attacks (except for Wendy who uses an Ougi).

This Natsu is clearly pissed-off in same way Erza was vs Misaki :

Pissed-off Natsu.jpg

• Ronin31
• Apr 16, 2026

Erza and Misaki.jpg

• Ronin31
• Mar 23, 2025

Emotions boost their powers temporary to up another tier. Remember that Misaki's MP level was compared to Gildarts, same as Kirin's who frightened Laxus.

Laxus feared Kirin's MP.jpg

• Ronin31
• Mar 22, 2025

Misaki's magic.jpg

• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

Erza pissed-off :

Erza's MP level.jpg

• Ronin31
• Apr 16, 2026

Thank you for watching the fights, taking contexts into account.

Just as blocking the shooting star attack of a standard Erza is very different from countering the same attack from an pissed-off Erza to finish Misaki.
The weight of the attack is at least 2 tiers above as Erza is around Laxus' level. The emotions don't grow to match the gap but to reversed the power balance.

Erza defeats Misaki's Magic.jpg

• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

 

[Newperson00]

From what I’m understanding is hiro explains natsu’s power by saying natsu without temporary power or POF/emotion is weaker than erza laxus and gildartz but when those situations arises he is stronger than all of them. so all his powers he using on his own is somehow weaker but when we see him beating stronger opponents he usually would have to using temporary buff or POF/emotion is somehow involved with his strength hence why we see some crazy feats from natsu. It’s probably because it’s one of the following

To be fair I don´t mind if Natsu still becomes weaker as long he still has the bestia flame some way just like he recreated a weaker version of lightinng flame against Max by his own power

Bestia Flame is too cool to go just like that isn´t it supposed to be the *Awakning flames* Hiro called it back in Chapter 200 by the title itself

 

[WoWfan]

To be fair I don´t mind if Natsu still becomes weaker as long he still has the bestia flame some way just like he recreated a weaker version of lightinng flame against Max by his own power

Bestia Flame is too cool to go just like that isn´t it supposed to be the *Awakning flames* Hiro called it back in Chapter 200 by the title itself

I think that is just the FDKM + DF, though it is a cool form, if he were to keep it, it wouldn’t be as strong as it is powered by Igneel’s flames which he loses later on, like with Zeref, and Faris mentioned it to be temporary too, since both have the very same tattoos.

 

[GodSlayer666]

If it had been the "Natsu>Erza" development, wouldn’t you like it ? You’re blaming me with personal attacks, whereas you were the first to attack all the people who like Erza on the site. Did you see me personally attack the Erza’s haters and pro Natsu after this text ?

For your information, I am free to like this or that comment, this or that character, and to have my opinion on certain things.

There is no Absolute Truth in our discussions, just views and we are free to adhere or disagree respectfully. The Absolute Truth comes from the Author. If it had been Natsu> Erza, I would have had no problemand would have accepted it, without a personal attack on anyone.

I attack anything that denies feats. If spriggans are one shotted or curbstomped i spriggan fans defense of them being top tiers. If signarios feats are pathetic and their statement not even solid i attack their defense. If Lucy fights a stronger matchup than Wendy's i rub it on Wendy fans face as they are trying to ignore it. So if Natsu embarrasses Wed while Erza couldn't even beat him i'm gonna attack the Erza>Natsu narrative.

The Natsu who loses to Human Brian, Raj and Lecka is weaker than Erza. The Natsu who embarrasses Wed is not. That's what i'm saying, that's why i'm insisting on protagonist buffs.

But if there is no absolutely truth then Happy solos all

I will stay with Mashima's words. We can agree to disagree.

Did his words included Erza being stronger than Natsu with protagonist buffs or that protagonists buffs being necessarily temporary or external?

So, do you think Juvia has had any significant evolution in terms of power? She was already quite prominent in the fight against Anchor, but she didn't show anything new.

She could be even be spriggan level now but we wouldn't even know and it would be odd knowing that she wasn't that strong before. It's more likely that Anchor scales just aren't that good just like Fire and Flame, maybe better but not that much better.

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2 completely different situations :
* First, Erza fought in a standard way.
* In the second one, where you show Natsu exploding WED, remember that he is galvanized to have seen the illusion of the city’s inhabitants burn before their eyes.

Differently from signarios who i can downgrade with this argument, Wed had this moment, he tanked the attack that Erza used to beat Misaki, this moment screwed Erza. Emotional buffs or not, it also was Human Wed, he became stronger too with dragonization. And rereading it Erza even said that she used her strongest armor lol, Wed tried to talk like if he knew Erza abilities better than herself, lmao, not a feminist but this is mansplaining I just wanna know people reaction when Erza beats Motherglare using an armor instead of the red pants. But seriously now, Erza used her strongest attack anyway, this is the peak form we know from Erza and that's why the Dragonized Wed fight can't be downplayed.

Just as blocking the shooting star attack of a standard Erza is very different from countering the same attack from an pissed-off Erza to finish Misaki.
The weight of the attack is at least 2 tiers above as Erza is around Laxus' level. The emotions don't grow to match the gap but to reversed the power balance.

Interesting how you are taking Erza emotional buffs into regard when Mashima also mentioned Natsu emotional buffs as exceptions

 

[Ronin31]

I attack anything that denies feats. If spriggans are one shotted or curbstomped i spriggan fans defense of them being top tiers. If signarios feats are pathetic and their statement not even solid i attack their defense. If Lucy fights a stronger matchup than Wendy's i rub it on Wendy fans face as they are trying to ignore it. So if Natsu embarrasses Wed while Erza couldn't even beat him i'm gonna attack the Erza>Natsu narrative.

Ok I see your point. You disregard all Battles'contexts which can influence the power level.

No context, yes we agree if you only look at the result : Natsu who exploded WED >> Erza who struggled with him.

Erza didn't increase in strength all along her fight with Misaki due to emotions. In that so, Erza was already stronger than Misaki from the begin.
Grey was just a silly man to point MP's gap between the women as there is no gap's fluctuation depending narrative context.

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Wed had this moment, he tanked the attack that Erza used to beat Misaki

Yes Emotions has no impacts on power level. I get it. To be casual and pissed off has no incidence on power level. I get it.

Interesting how you are taking Erza emotional buffs into regard when Mashima also mentioned Natsu emotional buffs as exceptions

Like said, yes, Erza was stronger than Misaki from the begin till the end : Grey was silly to be afraid from Misaki's MP's superiority.

Begin of the fight :

Misaki's magic.jpg

• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

End of the fight :

Erza's MP level.jpg

• Ronin31
• Apr 16, 2026

Erza has always emotionals buffs in all her fights. Read the Manga with context from the begin. Kyoka & Irene's fights for exemple or even Ikaruga's or Misaki's.

Yes also only Natsu uses Power of Friendship.
Tell me what is it below ?

Friendship.jpg

• Ronin31
• Apr 16, 2026

For information, after seeing the illusion, all the team was galvanized and amp their power level to one shot all of them.
Lucy even one shot Signario with Aqua Metria. But sure she could do that anytime before the context.

Finish.jpg

• Ronin31
• Apr 16, 2026

If Erza wins her battle vs Motherglare, will you say human WED >> Calamity Blood, as no context is involved ?

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Wed tried to talk like if he knew Erza abilities better than herself, lmao, not a feminist but this is mansplaining I just wanna know people reaction when Erza beats Motherglare using an armor instead of the red pants.

Erza can have strong armors, no problem with that but yes, Erza's real power is reveal when she is without her armors. It looks like WED knows Erza better than you. But if you are a hater, yes, it's normal.

For explanations about WED's speach, reread Ikaruga's chapter. You will have the answer.

 

[Newperson00]

I think that is just the FDKM + DF, though it is a cool form, if he were to keep it, it wouldn’t be as strong as it is powered by Igneel’s flames which he loses later on, like with Zeref, and Faris mentioned it to be temporary too, since both have the very same tattoos.

I agree hopefully he keeps a weaker version of it, If it happens maybe Natsu can replace the red fire horns and the marks on his face with his own fire
for the difference between Natsu´s fire and Igneel´s red fire

 

[GodSlayer666]

Ok I see your point. You disregard all Battles'contexts which can influence the power level.

No context, yes we agree if you only look at the result : Natsu who exploded WED >> Erza who struggled with him.

Erza didn't increase in strength all along her fight with Misaki due to emotions. In that so, Erza was already stronger than Misaki from the begin.
Grey was just a silly man to point MP's gap between the women as there is no gap's fluctuation depending narrative context.

What's the context i'm disregarding? Because by your logic it's like Erza is an emotional buff merchant while Natsu can melt Wed's sword while laughing. And why only emotional buffs are valid for Erza ? If you are saying that she needs a rage boost to overpower Wed, Natsu didn't needed, so what's the context that puts her above him outside of buffless Natsu ?

Interesting that this version of Natsu is no rage boost merchant

Erza has always emotionals buffs in all her fights. Read the Manga with context from the begin. Kyoka & Irene's fights for exemple or even Ikaruga's or Misaki's.

Yes also only Natsu uses Power of Friendship.
Tell me what is it below ?
Friendship.jpg

• Ronin31
• Today at 10:32 AM

For information, after seeing the illusion, all the team was galvanized and amp their power level to one shot all of them.
Lucy even one shot Signario with Aqua Metria. But sure she could do that anytime before the context.

When both got rage boost as Fire and Flame threatened to burn the town, who folded the strongest opponent? Because this logic is also more than enough to put Lucy above Wendy.
And Luso is a below spriggan fodder, i'm sure that Lucy would deal with her at anytime, the only thing troublesome about her was the Gold Owl hax, but even Marin Hollow and the Smoke Yokai could be troublesome to deal due to hax, see not ignoring context, just there is none putting Erza above Natsu here.

If Erza wins her battle vs Motherglare, will you say human WED >> Calamity Blood, as no context is involved ?

Motherglare should be stronger than Levia, is even possible for her to end up stronger than Laxus depending on how things go, but this would be a more objective Natsu upscale. Actuallu even think that he should already be stronger than Laxus with just LFDM, but i'm just insisting with Erza because of how objective the comparison is

Erza can have strong armors, no problem with that but yes, Erza's real power is reveal when she is without her armors. It looks like WED knows Erza better than you. But if you are a hater, yes, it's normal.

For explanations about WED's speach, reread Ikaruga's chapter. You will have the answer.

Couldn't help but make the mansplaning joke because of Erza's own words as her best feat till now was while she was using this armor and besides

It will be hilarious if she beats Motherglare with Seven Stars Armor. Of course that what the enchantments should have a greater weight, but still funny. Red Pants indeed was her trumph in most of the series, but there were few exceptions like Nakagami Armor, the 6 armed armor in Elentir, the use of Fairy Armor against Misaki. It will be hilarious if this one become another exception right after what Wed said. But anyway, like i said enchantments should have a greater weight than the armors itself, so Wed tanking her best known enchantment really screwed her. The need of a rage boost don't helps if Natsu was overpowering Wed without that and he also has access to rage boost which were explicitly stated to be exceptions to Mashima statement alongside protagonist buffs.

 

[Rigel]

I think Erza's enchantments have a very significant impact on her power level.

 

[Darklord#10]

To be fair I don´t mind if Natsu still becomes weaker as long he still has the bestia flame some way just like he recreated a weaker version of lightinng flame against Max by his own power

Bestia Flame is too cool to go just like that isn´t it supposed to be the *Awakning flames* Hiro called it back in Chapter 200 by the title itself

But it's not bestia's flames, it's igneel. Isn't that why he got the tattoo and flaming scarf.


Also I'm confused about one thing, what about the rainbow flames like we see that natsu can use it without Wendy enchanting it unto him. So how does that work?
Also on the emotional buff, I'm confused because according to the manga natsu's fire magic is flames of emotion like does count as protagonist buff or not???

 

[Newperson00]

But it's not bestia's flames, it's igneel. Isn't that why he got the tattoo and flaming scarf.


Also I'm confused about one thing, what about the rainbow flames like we see that natsu can use it without Wendy enchanting it unto him. So how does that work?
Also on the emotional buff, I'm confused because according to the manga natsu's fire magic is flames of emotion like does count as protagonist buff or not???

You´re right hopefully we will see the flaming scarf soon
Perhaps he was able to recreate them this time because when she enchanted their powers to Natsu he converted their powers to fire the first time against Acnologia

Against Ignia it looked like he pushed Natsu to the point he made Natsu bring out the rainbow fist in anger

 

[GodSlayer666]

Also I'm confused about one thing, what about the rainbow flames like we see that natsu can use it without Wendy enchanting it unto him. So how does that work?
Also on the emotional buff, I'm confused because according to the manga natsu's fire magic is flames of emotion like does count as protagonist buff or not???

It was like the Ignia and Atlas fire that he used against Aldoron. He still have the magic even if he don't have free access to it and may depend on the situation, so it cannot even be called temporary, it may count as a protagonist buff because it's the most flexible term. Flames of emotion by name must be emotional buff, though he never got such huge emotional boost again. Emotional buffs can be used in every single arc, so to answer why he didn't used it again we may be able to say it's just because the plot didn't demanded it as there are many other better written buffs to use. It's like the FDK scales, theoretically he can use at any time, but i doubt that Mashima has plans of using it again

 

[Newperson00]

It was like the Ignia and Atlas fire that he used against Aldoron. He still have the magic even if he don't have free access to it and may depend on the situation, so it cannot even be called temporary, it may count as a protagonist buff because it's the most flexible term. Flames of emotion by name must be emotional buff, though he never got such huge emotional boost again. Emotional buffs can be used in every single arc, so to answer why he didn't used it again we may be able to say it's just because the plot didn't demanded it as there are many other better written buffs to use. It's like the FDK scales, theoretically he can use at any time, but i doubt that Mashima has plans of using it again

I found this comment on reddit on the first newest comment
* The Fairy Tail Game, which was produced by Hiro Mashima, also has Natsu tell Laxus that he would never use Lightning Fire Dragon Mode against him in a fight because it would be cheating. Natsu has a completely different mindset when fighting any of his friends in a battle of strength *

If thats true then the lightning flame mode is a protagonist buff!!

 

[Ronin31]

* The Fairy Tail Game, which was produced by Hiro Mashima, also has Natsu tell Laxus that he would never use Lightning Fire Dragon Mode against him in a fight because it would be cheating. Natsu has a completely different mindset when fighting any of his friends in a battle of strength *

I do not agree since Natsu used LFDM vs Gajeel and FDK Punch on Makarov. He was even ready to use it on a Yokai Lucy.
They were brainwatched but still friends. And Laxus is clearly on another level than all three.

In a battle, Natsu is aware about Laxus and Gildarts' strength, so he knows he will have to use them (LFDM and FDK attacks) to defeat them.

Natsu will go all out to KO the beasts, but will hold back because they are not ennemies. Same handicap for the others.
No plot armor, no power of friendship.
Only their own strength for a contest of champion.

Gildarts is the one who should hold back the most. Not because he is far too strong for Natsu or others now, but because of his Magic Effect.
We saw that on Tenrô even if Natsu is at his level now.
His Magic Nature is too dangerous to be used on a friend.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I found this comment on reddit on the first newest comment
* The Fairy Tail Game, which was produced by Hiro Mashima, also has Natsu tell Laxus that he would never use Lightning Fire Dragon Mode against him in a fight because it would be cheating. Natsu has a completely different mindset when fighting any of his friends in a battle of strength *

If thats true then the lightning flame mode is a protagonist buff!!

He may consider it an special advantage against Laxus specifically, like Elexion's coffin was too.

But the thing of protagonist buff is that it's a flexible term. Reading Mashima's phrase without any context, no knowledge about the series, would anybody define what protagonist buff mean? There is no definition for the term and it can mean anything. Be it abilities more complex to define like the rainbow flames as it wasn't temporary nor does it seems that he has free access, or even the most ordinary forms. Protagonist buff can be used for anything that does not fit as temporary or emotional.

It's not even arbitrary to say ordinary transformations fits as protagonist buffs, it fits with Natsu fight with Wed and with the Alvarez scaling of the Natsu 600 and Cobra 500. Cobra couldn't be so close to FDKM while both Base Natsu and not bloodlusted DS Gray were inferior to spriggans too so makes sense for them being close to an weaker Cobra than the current one. In the Wed fight i didn't mentioned but friendship buff could be a possibility too, though not that likely as he was stealing the spotlight of this same friends and wasn't making any friendship speech to backup with this possibility. I can't be sure of the buff Natsu was using when he melted Wed's sword, but he used LFDM to one shot him anyway, so because of all of this ordinary transformations should be part of protagonist buff. And i mean, it simply makes sense, people trying to deny it just makes mental gymnastics about the Wed fight when ordinary forms inside protagonist buff answers everything without overcomplicating things, so it's just Erza agenda.

 

[WoWfan]

I found this comment on reddit on the first newest comment
* The Fairy Tail Game, which was produced by Hiro Mashima, also has Natsu tell Laxus that he would never use Lightning Fire Dragon Mode against him in a fight because it would be cheating. Natsu has a completely different mindset when fighting any of his friends in a battle of strength *

If thats true then the lightning flame mode is a protagonist buff!!

That is honestly odd because even if that were so, Lightning would not work on Laxus or just makes him stronger because he is a lightning dragon slayer anyway. I think the context is that it would be cheating in Laxus’ favor. Because FDKM or DF would be his better forms.

 

[Ronin31]

Lightning would not work on Laxus or just makes him stronger because he is a lightning dragon slayer anyway

Natsu inherited Laxus' lightning signature. DS are not immune to the element signature they are using. This is why Laxus is surprise by being damaged by Kirin's lightning which has same signature but with Gildarts power level. Laxus should be damaged by Natsu's LFD without growing in strength.

Natsu is aware about Laxus' strength. Staying in Base should be enough for Erza, but Laxus and Gildarts are different. I think LFD or FDKM should be required, at least.

Because FDKM or DF would be his better forms.

For Gildarts, sure, if this one get the fight seriously.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu inherited Laxus' lightning signature. DS are not immune to the element signature they are using. This is why Laxus is surprise by being damaged by Kirin's lightning which has same signature but with Gildarts power level. Laxus should be damaged by Natsu's LFD without growing in strength.

Natsu is aware about Laxus' strength. Staying in Base should be enough for Erza, but Laxus and Gildarts are different. I think LFD or FDKM should be required, at least.



For Gildarts, sure, if this one get the fight seriously.

Are you referring to when he fought against the fake duke? I think that is just the magic itself not Laxus’ magic power. Even if it were the same, it still wouldn’t harm Laxus as Natsu shown and Silver stated and shown despite not able to eat their own elements they themselves produced, it is still their elements and can’t be harmed by it.

Laxus was damaged by Golden/Yellow Dragon Slayer Magic as that one guy said which is an elevation above Lightning Dragon Slayer Magic. Think of it like Flame God Slayer Magic which is stronger than Fire Dragon Flames. Via Elemental Tiering. Laxus pretty much pulled a Natsu and removed his magic to create a vessel to eat said magic.

 

[Ronin31]

Are you referring to when he fought against the fake duke? I think that is just the magic itself not Laxus’ magic power. Even if it were the same, it still wouldn’t harm Laxus as Natsu shown and Silver stated and shown despite not able to eat their own elements they themselves produced, it is still their elements and can’t be harmed by it.

Laxus was damaged by Golden/Yellow Dragon Slayer Magic as that one guy said which is an elevation above Lightning Dragon Slayer Magic. Think of it like Flame God Slayer Magic which is stronger than Fire Dragon Flames. Via Elemental Tiering. Laxus pretty much pulled a Natsu and removed his magic to create a vessel to eat said magic.

I think I agree. Thanks friend