First Round! 34] Crocodile vs Rob Lucci

Who Wins?

  • Crocodile

    Votes: 53 80.3%
  • Rob Lucci

    Votes: 13 19.7%

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I'm going off Luffys comment of Rokugan being similar to the impact dial that pretty much killed Enel for a bit.

Scratch that, Wiper used seastone in conjunction with the dial.
 
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Hmmm, i wouldn't put his third fight with Luffy as an example, because it was plot-guided the whole scenes to Luffy's victory. Crocodile didn't use any of his previous fruit attacks, and Luffy could punch sand swords that can cut Akainu's magma... so nerfed.

Rucchi's attack based with blood can be: Shigan and Rokugan. So certainly can beat him, but what needs Crocodile to defeat Rucchi? One Touch :teehee
 

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Crocodile win that one to me :hip
 

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Croc and Doflamingo weren't even. They just had a short clash. Crocodile held his own yes. But that's it. I don't think Dofla even came close to being serious in the entire battle. He was just screwing around.

I feel like I've been reading a different manga. Based on what we've seen, Crocodile would lose against Lucci. All it takes is for him to dip his hands or legs into water. Or Shigan himself if there is no water around. Geez guys...
Why are you assuming that Lucci knows that Crocodile's weakness is water?
 

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Comparing with Croc vs Luffy:

Luffy was able to recover from Croc's drying attacks because his body's rubber, so he can just drink water and bounce back. I don't think Lucci's panther ability can do that.

Luffy would've been dead from Croc's poison if Robin hadn't been there with the antidote. Croc was KOed, but Luffy would've been dead. I don't think Lucci has an antidote.

Luffy could hurt Croc because he fought, lost, fought, lost, then fought again. He had enough time to figure out Croc's weakness. Not to say that Lucci couldn't figure it out too, but he would be at a huge disadvantage until then. And even then, Croc won't go down without a huge fight.

So... if Lucci knew Croc's weakness and Croc didn't have his poison, then Lucci would probably win. Otherwise, I gotta go with Croc on this one.
 

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Why are you assuming that Lucci knows that Crocodile's weakness is water?
Here, a quote from the last page, lazy ass. It's always a good idea to concentrate on one post and forget about the rest of the thread.

Well, Lucci is supposed to have WG intelligence info on his disposal. Maybe he even knows Croco's weakness. Even if it wasn't for that, he's pretty smart. It didn't take him long to notice how Luffy's Gear 2 works and what it's weakness is. Compared to that, water > sand seems like elementary school.

As I said right away, Croc would have a chance against almost anyone but can't go against what we've seen. Hell I'd even like it if Croc came back to story, stronger than ever.
That is why I think Lucci would figure it out, if he doesn't already know. Compared to Luffy, Lucci is a Nobel prize winner for science :p
 

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That is why I think Lucci would figure it out, if he doesn't already know. Compared to Luffy, Lucci is a Nobel prize winner for science :p
Yeah, I think he would figure it out, but until then Croc would have a really big advantage. But of course, Lucci might survive because he's really strong, fast, and can't be blown away by Sables since he can basically fly.

But even when Lucci does figure out Croc's weakness, he still to worry about the drying and the poison, either of which can decide this match, in my opinion.
 

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Well, those risks aren't that big when we're talking about Lucci here. If you think about it, Lucci is better equipped to fight Croc than Luffy was at the time. He's super fast. At the least, fast enough to avoid contact with Croc. I don't see Croc using his sand drying or poison as easy on Lucci as he did on Luffy.
 

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Here, a quote from the last page, lazy ass. It's always a good idea to concentrate on one post and forget about the rest of the thread.



That is why I think Lucci would figure it out, if he doesn't already know. Compared to Luffy, Lucci is a Nobel prize winner for science :p
Well, Lucci is supposed to have WG intelligence info on his disposal. Maybe he even knows Croco's weakness. Even if it wasn't for that, he's pretty smart. It didn't take him long to notice how Luffy's Gear 2 works and what it's weakness is. Compared to that, water > sand seems like elementary school.

As I said right away, Croc would have a chance against almost anyone but can't go against what we've seen. Hell I'd even like it if Croc came back to story, stronger than ever.


Your entire argument here is that Lucci might know Crocodile's weakness or he might figure it out and if he does, there might be water around for him to use to win the fight. That's pretty much what you're saying isn't it? Got it.
 

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Lucci is not luffy there is no way he can beat crocodile. That guy is on another lvl. Crocodile case is similar to Enel case, he only lost because of Luffy's luck not because luffy was the strongest (remember he left luffy for dead in the desert and he drained all the water in his body the second time, luck just kept saving him cuz its luffy). Also Oda didn't re-inject crocodile in the story for nothing, im sure after those 2 years in the NW he found a way to make up for his weakness. He's prolly good with Haki now like every big shot in the NW.
 

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Your entire argument here is that Lucci might know Crocodile's weakness or he might figure it out and if he does, there might be water around for him to use to win the fight. That's pretty much what you're saying isn't it? Got it.
Most of the character tournaments is settled around the "mights" since information is often lacking. I'm talking here based on what we know. Either of those guys could win, I said that right away. I happen to think that Lucci would win (and not easilly, mind you) and i think I argumented it well enough for even an idiot to understand. You, on the other hand, are just being a dick meanie. Thnx for your insights, anyway.
 
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uh!!! what a fight!!! I've been thinking of it for years! imo crocodile is stronger: without haki lucci can't hurt a rogia,and I doubt that with his blood he can actually defeat him.
 

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I'm not sure what the debate is.. Based on what we know this isn't even a fight. Croc. wins.
 

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I'm not sure what the debate is.. Based on what we know this isn't even a fight. Croc. wins.
Enlighten me please. This isn't even a fight? I'm not really sure what could make a person write such a statement. Or am I suffering from some kind of advanced dementia?

Don't get me wrong. I don't care who wins. Might seem like that, but thats because I really get into interesting discussions. Spewing out claims with no backing is easy. If everyone did that, this whole tournament would be boring as shit.
 

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Both men have flaunted their abilities at various stages of this manga and what's clear is that they could both kill each other, in one way or another.

Thinking through their mental states:

Crocodile was an up and coming hot shot and was stomped on by WB. This left serious emotional baggage through the rest of his life, where he lived in denial of it, trying to cover it all up with a coating of mafia badassness. Having left the past behind he moved onto bigger and better things. With his confidence in one hand and his DF in the other, he faced off against Luffy as if he were little more than an annoying bug. Crocodile taunted his victims, made them feel pain and left them to die in horrible ways. His arrogance was beyond anything (having forgotten his shame of defeat against WD). In round 3 vs Luffy he was taken by several shocking events of Luffy's undying resistance, will and resolve to win. Having nowhere to run to he succumbed to fear and was left helpless against a raging Luffy. Since then, his time in ID let to his acceptance of defeat. He was able to remember his life as it was and when the opportunity came, his resolve to redeem himself and fight once more came to life. Even in the face of Luffy, he felt acceptance and never once challenged him or had any animosity towards him over the passed. His head held mid high, with clearer sights on life, he wasn't going to be a guy to lose again so easily. He has learnt the humility of defeat and moved on from it. He knows his weakness, he always has and now he is even more deadly than ever. He won't be making the same mistakes twice. He is smart and devious and will do anything to win.

Rob Lucci... I feel less passion for him, and we all know a lot about him. Kid with issues brought up under the wing of the government as a killing machine with no regard for anyone's life. Militant and extreme until his epic bout with Luffy. What did he learn? Perhaps the government wasn't so good. Maybe not all pirates are bad. Maybe he learn't something about humanity and compassion. Maybe he got soft? Or did this make him even stronger? Either way, he had no weakness. He was simply matched and beaten strength for strength. Whether he took some time out with the rest of the gang to help others, do some good and find peace or trained the hell hard to get stronger is unclear. I like to think the former.

The way I see this fight is a square off at the start. Both go in heavy and full on. Lucci probably knows Crocodiles weakness.. hell if he can do anything about it off the starting line. Crocodile knows Lucci probably knows his weakness. (Hell, Crocodile can assume everyone knows his weakness.) Regardless they attack. Crocodile gets some contact with Lucci and drains him of bodily fluids. Lucci in a reduced state is left struggling to find footing. Crocodile toys with him until seen fit. Poisons him and leaves him to die... scratch that... he sends him to Davy Jones. No survivors.
 
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