Discussion Fraudrin's Masterplan

[Demonspeed]

He has his own agenda.

After what happened last chapter, he revealing Gowther's identity makes no sense. He was sure Gray Lord would come to save him and could have won by using his true body if he was cornered. Not only Dreyfus's body is good for him because it can hold those who know him back(Denzel didn't care but it would very likely affect knights like the Misfits) but with that reveal, they are in an even more difficult situation since killing him would make things worse. Pleiades interfering with the Sins help him too in a way. Maybe he wants Denzel to use his trump card on Gowther.

 

[Rescorlian]

He's dumb to have presented the commandement with him. Had he not, they would have easily killed the two pleiades

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

He has his own agenda.

After what happened last chapter, he revealing Gowther's identity makes no sense. He was sure Gray Lord would come to save him and could have won by using his true body if he was cornered. Not only Dreyfus's body is good for him because it can hold those who know him back(Denzel didn't care but it would very likely affect knights like the Misfits) but with that reveal, they are in an even more difficult situation since killing him would make things worse. Pleiades interfering with the Sins help him too in a way. Maybe he wants Denzel to use his trump card on Gowther.

Nope I don't think so.

Right now he's holding the commandment "Thou shall not covet".Basically he's selfless.The implication is that he can't do anything selfish, in other words having his own agenda. Or else he'll suffer the effects of his decree, which based on Gowther involved having his memories wiped.And we don't know exactly how things went with Gowther, he did break his decree but I doubt he could have continued to fake it for a long time, like some speculated.

So I think he's doing all this for the sake of the commandments, the demons, and the demon king.And before you try to refute that here is the proof:

He holds the commandment now, if he were to be killed it would return to Gowther.
No matter how shrewd he is, he simply cannot fake it.Galan was petrified the moment he went back on his word.
Also if we think about it, even if the Pleiades were to survive, do you think they'll simply let Gowther go? Now they know what sort of being he is, so if they were to cross paths with the Sins they'll likely fight, since according to Fraudrin having Gowther become the commandment again will be much worse.So they could decide to kill him before he regains his commandment.
I think Fraudrin successfully pitted the Pleiades against the Sins, simple as that.And that is something that will serve the demons' interests.

 

[Demonspeed]

Nope I don't think so.

Right now he's holding the commandment "Thou shall not covet".Basically he's selfless.The implication is that he can't do anything selfish, in other words having his own agenda. Or else he'll suffer the effects of his decree, which based on Gowther involved having his memories wiped.And we don't know exactly how things went with Gowther, he did break his decree but I doubt he could have continued to fake it for a long time, like some speculated.

So I think he's doing all this for the sake of the commandments, the demons, and the demon king.And before you try to refute that here is the proof:

He holds the commandment now, if he were to be killed it would return to Gowther.
No matter how shrewd he is, he simply cannot fake it.Galan was petrified the moment he went back on his word.
Also if we think about it, even if the Pleiades were to survive, do you think they'll simply let Gowther go? Now they know what sort of being he is, so if they were to cross paths with the Sins they'll likely fight, since according to Fraudrin having Gowther become the commandment again will be much worse.So they could decide to kill him before he regains his commandment.
I think Fraudrin successfully pitted the Pleiades against the Sins, simple as that.And that is something that will serve the demons' interests.

We don't know how his Commandment works for now but I am not saying that he is lying, I am saying he has his own agenda and revealing stuff about Gowther makes it harder to kill him, since killing him would awaken Gowther, who is more dangerous than him. If he only wanted to put them against the Sins I don't see why he revealed what would happen if he died. He did that to dissuade them to try killing him. Among all the things he's doing, I find his attachment to Dreyfus's body shows that he isn't exactly forbidden to keep doing what he desires but that's only if we take the strict definition. As I said we don't know how his Commandment works for now.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

We don't know how his Commandment works for now but I am not saying that he is lying, I am saying he has his own agenda and revealing stuff about Gowther makes it harder to kill him, since killing him would awaken Gowther, who is more dangerous than him. If he only wanted to put them against the Sins I don't see why he revealed what would happen if he died. He did that to dissuade them to try killing him. Among all the things he's doing, I find his attachment to Dreyfus's body shows that he isn't exactly forbidden to keep doing what he desires but that's only if we take the strict definition. As I said we don't know how his Commandment works for now.

I think it's pretty straightforward. So far all the commandments were that.Unless we assume that he is a compulsory liar, which again I really don't think it's the case.
Fraudrin prolly didn't have any reason to lie about Gray Lord at least.Because if the latter is a pacifist and can't kill, then hiding the truth from Denzel and Deathpierce would have them fall for Gray Lord's commandment. If they killed Fraudrin inside Dreyfus body, since Gray Lord is "Thou shall not kill" they will be affected by his commandment.So why reveal it? He could also leave Dreyfus body if he wants to fight without restriction.Leaving the attachement he has for Dreyfus aside, and maybe him possibly needing it for something, I think it's plain obvious why he revealed the truth about Gray lord. He is the Selfless.
What that entails is that he can't do anything selfish, just like Galan couldn't lie or go back on his word, and just like Gray Lord can't kill apparently. So him keeping that information to himself can be seen as selfish. If he did it's likely he would break his commandment.Just because something hasn't been explained means we can't deduce it based on previous examples.So he merely shared that information .Because in my eyes
1-he can leave Dreyfus' body if it's really necessary, and a life or death situation is just that. So if he's threatened he can and should leave his body.
2-no matter how strong Denzel might be and well we know Deathpierce's PL, they can't be as strong as two commandments. Even without their magic they should be very strong.And more importantly Fraudrin still has his magic because he avoided the seal.
So based on that we can deduce that he prolly didn't have much of a choice, since keeping that information for himself
can be seen as something selfish.Also you seem to forget that Denzel was hiding something, or someone. That is why Fraudrin prolly wanted to end the fight, rather than it happening, because Denzel still had his trump card(the woman in the sword). Gray Lord already hinted at that, so as long as Denzel was hiding it they simply couldn't take the risk of a real fight happening.
And I already explained why he revealed the truth about Gowther.The Pleiades going after him simply means that the sins will retaliate. Mel seems to know about Gowther, at least it was foreshadowed back whe Gowther went berserk. So he is prepared to that possibility, and even considers Gowther his friend.So if the latter gets attacked, no matter who it is, do you think Mel will side with Denzel, or his friend Gowther?
He prolly already knows the latter is a demon, and Mel is a demon himself. So to him race isn't what matters, it's the individual.
So again Fraudrin's plan was to pit the Pleiades against the sins, because Mel won't give up on Gowther.

So no Fraudrin doesn't have his own agenda like you say, everything he's done up till now was to help the demons. Let's think about it. For some reason he went to Danafor and killed Liz, which is strongly hinted to have been reincarnated as Elizabeth.I don't think it's a coincidence he attacked her, it's either because of Mel, or because she was the previous apostle of the Goddess.So he needed her blood to free the demons, just like Elizabeth. While he did avoid getting trapped like the other demons, he actively tried to free his brethren, by possessing Dreyfus. While in Dreyfus body he could have lived as a human if he wanted to, without so much lifting a finger to help free the demons. So if anything that shows that he's not being selfish, in other words he's selfless.He has to or he'll end up just like Gowther.