Predictions Future Wano's Fight Matchups

[nik87]

Dont know how oda will handle big mom here tho.

Luffy and allies vs Big Mom.
Zoro and allies vs Kaido.

 

[fernandota123]

Man, this is gonna be a hard prediction, but i would love if everybody posted here instead of posting in chapters thread.
First of all, we need to split the forces and we have to admit that its gonna be a two side battle (in other words, not including the marines, CP0 etc in the battle), so thats how i think its gonna be (only listing the ones that i think it wont be fodders/side battles):

ALLIED FORCES
- Strawhat Pirates
- Law Pirates
- 9 Scabbards
- Izo + his fleet (Jinbe will bring them)
- Someone from Strawhat Grand Fleet (i would bet on Bartolomeo)
- Hawkins Pirates
- X Drake
- Kidd Pirates
- Apoo Pirates

ENEMY FORCES
- Orochi (Oniwabanshu)
- Kaido (Calamities, Numbers, Flying Six)
- Big Mom Pirates

THE MATCHUPS
Luffy, Law, Hawkins, Apoo and Kidd vs Kaido
Denjiro and Kinemon Izo and Kikunojo vs Orochi
Zoro and Ashura vs King (still i think that Zoro will deal some damage to Kaido)
Sanji and Kawamatsu vs Queen (given how Kawamatsu was prisioned for so long)
Inu and Neko vs Jack (revenge time with Sunlong forms)
Robin, Raizo and Shinobu vs Oniwabanshu members
Franky, Usopp, Kanjuro, Ashura, Kawamatsu, Izo's fleet and Kikunojo vs Numbers members
X Drake vs Flying Six (lets show whos the boss dinosaur 'round here)
Jinbe, Nami, Carrot plus some help to hold vs Big Mom
Chopper vs Perospero (candy stuff)
Brook vs Smoothie


Thats all i could think
I couldnt think of a decent fight for Ashura, Izo and Kikunojo, so i think they could deal with Numbers members too.

 

[King Moe]

Man, this is gonna be a hard prediction, but i would love if everybody give posted here instead of posting in chapters thread.
First of all, we need to split the forces and we have to admit that its gonna be a two side battle, so thats how i think its gonna be (only listing the ones that i think it wont be fodders/side battles):

ALLIED FORCES
- Strawhat Pirates
- Law Pirates
- 9 Scabbards
- Izo + his fleet (Jinbe will bring them)
- Someone from Strawhat Grand Fleet (i would bet on Bartolomeo)
- Hawkins Pirates
- X Drake
- Kidd Pirates
- Apoo Pirates

ENEMY FORCES
- Orochi (Oniwabanshu)
- Kaido (Calamities, Numbers, Flying Six)
- Big Mom Pirates

THE MATCHUPS
Luffy, Law, Hawkins, Apoo and Kidd vs Kaido
Denjiro, Kinemon, Izo and Kikunojo vs Orochi
Zoro and Ashura vs King (still i think that Zoro will deal some damage to Kaido)
Sanji and Kawamatsu vs Queen (given how Kawamatsu was prisioned for so long)
Inu and Neko vs Jack (revenge time with Sunlong forms)
Robin, Raizo and Shinobu vs Oniwabanshu members
Franky, Usopp and Kanjuro vs Numbers members
X Drake vs Flying Six (lets show whos the boss dinosaur 'round here)
Jinbe, Nami, Carrot plus some help to hold vs Big Mom
Chopper vs Perospero (candy stuff)
Brook vs Smoothie


Thats all i could think
I couldnt think of a decent fight for Ashura, Izo and Kikunojo, so i think they could deal with Numbers members too.

Why Supernovas need that much firepower on Orochi? What about Kaido and Big Mom?

 

[aaannnnannan]

my main matchups:

Luffy + Law + Kidd + Zoro? vs Kaido/Big Mom
Marco vs King ( cmon a phoenix vs a ptero )
Sanji vs Queen
Neko + Inu vs Jack
Jimbe vs Smoothie
the scabbards helps in many battles of these and fights against daifuku , perospero and the big mom pirates

 

[kkck]

Man, this is gonna be a hard prediction, but i would love if everybody give posted here instead of posting in chapters thread.
First of all, we need to split the forces and we have to admit that its gonna be a two side battle, so thats how i think its gonna be (only listing the ones that i think it wont be fodders/side battles):

ALLIED FORCES
- Strawhat Pirates
- Law Pirates
- 9 Scabbards
- Izo + his fleet (Jinbe will bring them)
- Someone from Strawhat Grand Fleet (i would bet on Bartolomeo)
- Hawkins Pirates
- X Drake
- Kidd Pirates
- Apoo Pirates

ENEMY FORCES
- Orochi (Oniwabanshu)
- Kaido (Calamities, Numbers, Flying Six)
- Big Mom Pirates

THE MATCHUPS
Luffy, Law, Hawkins, Apoo and Kidd vs Kaido
Denjiro, Kinemon, Izo and Kikunojo vs Orochi
Zoro and Ashura vs King (still i think that Zoro will deal some damage to Kaido)
Sanji and Kawamatsu vs Queen (given how Kawamatsu was prisioned for so long)
Inu and Neko vs Jack (revenge time with Sunlong forms)
Robin, Raizo and Shinobu vs Oniwabanshu members
Franky, Usopp and Kanjuro vs Numbers members
X Drake vs Flying Six (lets show whos the boss dinosaur 'round here)
Jinbe, Nami, Carrot plus some help to hold vs Big Mom
Chopper vs Perospero (candy stuff)
Brook vs Smoothie


Thats all i could think
I couldnt think of a decent fight for Ashura, Izo and Kikunojo, so i think they could deal with Numbers members too.

I think you are underestimating enemy forces a bit. Orochi definitely has more than the oniwabanshu going for him. He is wano's shogun meaning he has actual samurai and the rest of the military under him. Unless oden had a monopoly on competent samurai back in the day. And the entire market was 9. but that would be kinda absurd considering that good old yasui managed to capture the lot of them when they tried to rob him.

As for numbers, I still think they are actually kaido's main crewmembers. As in the equivalents to oven or burgues within kaido's crew. IF this is correct then franky, kanjuro and ussop taking even one of them would be a huge deal. Of course, if they aren't kaido's main crewmembers then that means the bulk of the beast pirates remains unseen... Numbers as core crewmembers make sense though. You have king, queen, jack and then "numbers" 10 through 1. A full deck if you will.

 

[fernandota123]

Why Supernovas need that much firepower on Orochi? What about Kaido and Big Mom?

Well, like i said, i couldnt think of a better matchup to Izo, Kikunojo and Ashura, but i could say
- Kinemon and Denjiro vs Orochi
- Izo, Kikunojo and Ashura helping dealing with Numbers
The problem is the matches against Big Mom and Kaido. I think the only one capable of holding against Big Mom its Jinbe (considering that Luffy will deal only with Kaido)
My biggest point is that the Scabbards will not deal with any of Big Mom pirates, because i think they are not related and its make more sense to put them against Kaido/Orochi forces.

I think you are underestimating enemy forces a bit. Orochi definitely has more than the oniwabanshu going for him. He is wano's shogun meaning he has actual samurai and the rest of the military under him. Unless oden had a monopoly on competent samurai back in the day. And the entire market was 9. but that would be kinda absurd considering that good old yasui managed to capture the lot of them when they tried to rob him.

As for numbers, I still think they are actually kaido's main crewmembers. As in the equivalents to oven or burgues within kaido's crew. IF this is correct then franky, kanjuro and ussop taking even one of them would be a huge deal. Of course, if they aren't kaido's main crewmembers then that means the bulk of the beast pirates remains unseen... Numbers as core crewmembers make sense though. You have king, queen, jack and then "numbers" 10 through 1. A full deck if you will.

Niiiice one, i've never thought that Numbers would stand for the deck of cards, and it really makes sense (in fact it was pretty obvious, but still i couldnt think of it, Oda foreshadowed them too much). I was thinking that the Flying Six would be a bigger force than the Numbers, but after reading your post, i think its make more sense (especially if we consider that two of the Numbers have a club just like Kaido do, so they must be an important force).
Oh, about Orochi forces, like i said, im just pointing out the ones that we already know. Personally, i think that Denjiro will steal almost every troop that Orochi has, leaving only the Oniwabanshu and some random fodder. Also, i think that adding more players to this already big battle it will make Oda's writing so more difficult, so i think we wont have new samurais, idk.
Considering this thoughts, i will edit my previous post

Btw, im betting that Chopper will finally show his power and deal with Perospero alone, he will eat the candy away

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Oh, one more thing, i forgot to say that every Supernova in Wano (apart from Drake) has its own crew with atleast two or three strong members.
I think they will be the ones to help against Big Mom Pirates executives.

 

[nik87]

We need a bet threat about who kills Kaido! With a severe punishment if you are wrong.

 

[kkck]

Niiiice one, i've never thought that Numbers would stand for the deck of cards, and it really makes sense (in fact it was pretty obvious, but still i couldnt think of it, Oda foreshadowed them too much). I was thinking that the Flying Six would be a bigger force than the Numbers, but after reading your post, i think its make more sense (especially if we consider that two of the Numbers have a club just like Kaido do, so they must be an important force).
Oh, about Orochi forces, like i said, im just pointing out the ones that we already know. Personally, i think that Denjiro will steal almost every troop that Orochi has, leaving only the Oniwabanshu and some random fodder. Also, i think that adding more players to this already big battle it will make Oda's writing so more difficult, so i think we wont have new samurais, idk.
Considering this thoughts, i will edit my previous post

Btw, im betting that Chopper will finally show his power and deal with Perospero alone, he will eat the candy away

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Oh, one more thing, i forgot to say that every Supernova in Wano (apart from Drake) has its own crew with atleast two or three strong members.
I think they will be the ones to help against Big Mom Pirates executives.

The fying six as far as I can tell are just a group of headliners so I don't exactly expect them to be THAT significant. They seem to be more or less the equivalent of affiliated crews to the beast pirates. Though some headliners appear to be actual kaido crewmembers (just not core crewmembers).

If denjiro pulls that then it'd be a decent step to actually make the strawhats a force that can actually compete with kaido's forces. They still seem to be a long way from there though.

 

[fernandota123]

The fying six as far as I can tell are just a group of headliners so I don't exactly expect them to be THAT significant. They seem to be more or less the equivalent of affiliated crews to the beast pirates. Though some headliners appear to be actual kaido crewmembers (just not core crewmembers).

If denjiro pulls that then it'd be a decent step to actually make the strawhats a force that can actually compete with kaido's forces. They still seem to be a long way from there though.

I thought that the Flying Six, since one of them was able to "keep up" with Sanji, would be important names in the battle, but now i believe more in the numbers. To be honest, i forgot that the Flying Six were, in fact, stronger headliners (i thought they were some weaker version of the Calamities)
I don't think that will happen, but we could even have the Flying Six siding with the Allied Forces, since Drake could be their leader.
About Denjiro, i feel that he is more respected by the subordinates than Orochi is, hence why i believe they will remain "loyal" to Denjiro.

We need a bet threat about who kills Kaido! With a severe punishment if you are wrong.

I would bet Momonosuke or Zoro dealing the final blow, just because of their swords.

Btw, idk if anyone ever questioned about this, but guys, do you think that the time travel effects will be "canceled" in some point and the travelers will have their 20 years back? Like Momonosuke in the end of the arc having 28 years and ruling Wano?

 

[nik87]

do you think that the time travel effects will be "canceled" in some point and the travelers will have their 20 years back?

I think they will remain as they are. It is impossible to live through 20 years in an instant.

 

[kkck]

I thought that the Flying Six, since one of them was able to "keep up" with Sanji, would be important names in the battle, but now i believe more in the numbers. To be honest, i forgot that the Flying Six were, in fact, stronger headliners (i thought they were some weaker version of the Calamities)
I don't think that will happen, but we could even have the Flying Six siding with the Allied Forces, since Drake could be their leader.
About Denjiro, i feel that he is more respected by the subordinates than Orochi is, hence why i believe they will remain "loyal" to Denjiro.

Even sanji I would argue is a relatively weak fighter in the upcoming battles. The suit could be a decent upgrade but even with the suit, if his haki is subpar he will pay the price for it. The raid suits at a minimum were not enough to make any of his brothers competitive against the top yonko commanders and I am not exactly optimistic about their chances against the remaining yonko commanders...

Agreed, drake's presence there makes the flying six potential allies for the strawhats. Drake won't be an ally to kaido at least which is a significant blow at least.

denjiro's yakusa siding with the strawhats seems like a fair bet. My point was more about wano's army. Which certainly does not include yakusa and serve directly under orochi.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Even sanji I would argue is a relatively weak fighter in the upcoming battles. The suit could be a decent upgrade but even with the suit, if his haki is subpar he will pay the price for it. The raid suits at a minimum were not enough to make any of his brothers competitive against the top yonko commanders and I am not exactly optimistic about their chances against the remaining yonko commanders...

Agreed, drake's presence there makes the flying six potential allies for the strawhats. Drake won't be an ally to kaido at least which is a significant blow at least.

denjiro's yakusa siding with the strawhats seems like a fair bet. My point was more about wano's army. Which certainly does not include yakusa and serve directly under orochi.

Sanji's brothers aren't exactly capable fighters if you rid them of their battle suits. Sanji is comparable to characters like Vergo, Daifuku, Oven.

Previously, I used to argue that RS is a minor power up, however seeing how powerful the enemies are in this arc it must be a major power up, imo...

So add RS properties to an already strong fighter and you get someone who is potentially as strong as a YC. Plus as it was stated in the manga haki blooms in battle. So I wouldn't worry about that either...

 

[kkck]

Sanji's brothers aren't exactly capable fighters if you rid them of their battle suits. Sanji is comparable to characters like Vergo, Daifuku, Oven.

Previously, I used to argue that RS is a minor power up, however seeing how powerful the enemies are in this arc it must be a major power up, imo...

So add RS properties to an already strong fighter and you get someone who is potentially as strong as a YC. Plus as it was stated in the manga haki blooms in battle. So I wouldn't worry about that either...

We saw little of them without the raid suits but at least ichiji and niji appear to be fairly powerful even without the suits. As in, it wouldn't be that strange if they could pose a threat to sanji without them. I'd rate oven and daifuku well higher than vergo though.

If the raid suit is really going to be sanji's boost this arc then it has to be a huge upgrade. At least enough to be comparable to the haki boosts luffy and plausibly zoro will get so that it makes sense for sanji to at least hold his own against a standard yonko commander.

agh, I still hate that haki blooms in battle thing. It's impossible to even speculate on. With this nonsense sanji could go into battle being fodder and walk out of it being a yonko commander class fighter without there being any middle ground in between.

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On another note, I gotta wonder what hawkins and appoo are doing this arc. Hawkins almost definitely did not originally mean to join kaido. Appoo is a different case though given his supernova status it wouldn't be weird if he is anxious to take a stab at kaido, if the opportunity presents itself. Neither is perhaps that much compared to a yonko commander but in turn they would be very useful in fighting the bulk of kaido's forces and allied crews... It'd also be interesting if we see luffy, kidd, law, hawkins and apo take on kaido.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

Big Mom will be going to put back to Sleep again.

So it's going to be

Luffy & Co. vs. Kaidou

Jinbei vs. Fred D. Mercury aka Queen - Both are Last Stand fighters.

"We are the champions, my friend,
We will keep on fighting till the end"

~ Queen - We Are The Champions

Zoro & Sanji vs. Jack

 

[fernandota123]

We saw little of them without the raid suits but at least ichiji and niji appear to be fairly powerful even without the suits. As in, it wouldn't be that strange if they could pose a threat to sanji without them. I'd rate oven and daifuku well higher than vergo though.

If the raid suit is really going to be sanji's boost this arc then it has to be a huge upgrade. At least enough to be comparable to the haki boosts luffy and plausibly zoro will get so that it makes sense for sanji to at least hold his own against a standard yonko commander.

agh, I still hate that haki blooms in battle thing. It's impossible to even speculate on. With this nonsense sanji could go into battle being fodder and walk out of it being a yonko commander class fighter without there being any middle ground in between.

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On another note, I gotta wonder what hawkins and appoo are doing this arc. Hawkins almost definitely did not originally mean to join kaido. Appoo is a different case though given his supernova status it wouldn't be weird if he is anxious to take a stab at kaido, if the opportunity presents itself. Neither is perhaps that much compared to a yonko commander but in turn they would be very useful in fighting the bulk of kaido's forces and allied crews... It'd also be interesting if we see luffy, kidd, law, hawkins and apo take on kaido.

I think that's gonna be the case with Sanji, he will probably bloom in this fight even though this is a nonsense powerup.
To be honest, i think that EVERY strawhat will bloom in this battle, they really need it now, since the manga it's "almost" over. Otherwise, i don't know how they could deal with the Blackbeard Pirates. I mean, c'mon, what was the last seriously battle that Sanji had? He got a draw or a defeat in all of his last mini fights (Vergo, Daifuku, Oven, Doflamingo etc). I think that the last real fight that he had was against Absalom, correct me if i'm wrong. He's the third/fourth strongest strawhat, he need to shine more and even though this is clearly an arc made for Zoro, i think the others will shine too.

About Apoo, i firmly believe that he will side by the Allied forces. He, alongside with Hawkins, just wanted to survive, even if that mean to leave his pride aside. But now, seeing the others Supernovas attacking a Yonkou together, he can't miss this chance . He will play a role similar to Bege with Big Mom and betray Kaido in the middle of the battle. I don't think Oda will portrait only one Supernova being a lackey. Just like the group's name, they will shine.

Big Mom will be going to put back to Sleep again.

So it's going to be

Luffy & Co. vs. Kaidou

Jinbei vs. Fred D. Mercury aka Queen - Both are Last Stand fighters.



Zoro & Sanji vs. Jack

Well, Big Mom sleeping could be a solution to the matchups, but it would be extremely anti climatic, even though its make sense.
Personaly, i don't think that Jack is THAT strong to have both Zoro and Sanji against him (i mean, Inu and Neko were capable of holding him off, before the poison weapons). And its make more sense to put Inu and Neko against him to revenge Zou.
Even Jinbe against him would make more sense, since they both are fishmans
And btw, what about King? Who's gonna fight him?

 

[aaannnnannan]

I think that's gonna be the case with Sanji, he will probably bloom in this fight even though this is a nonsense powerup.
To be honest, i think that EVERY strawhat will bloom in this battle, they really need it now, since the manga it's "almost" over. Otherwise, i don't know how they could deal with the Blackbeard Pirates. I mean, c'mon, what was the last seriously battle that Sanji had? He got a draw or a defeat in all of his last mini fights (Vergo, Daifuku, Oven, Doflamingo etc). I think that the last real fight that he had was against Absalom, correct me if i'm wrong. He's the third/fourth strongest strawhat, he need to shine more and even though this is clearly an arc made for Zoro, i think the others will shine too.

About Apoo, i firmly believe that he will side by the Allied forces. He, alongside with Hawkins, just wanted to survive, even if that mean to leave his pride aside. But now, seeing the others Supernovas attacking a Yonkou together, he can't miss this chance . He will play a role similar to Bege with Big Mom and betray Kaido in the middle of the battle. I don't think Oda will portrait only one Supernova being a lackey. Just like the group's name, they will shine.


Well, Big Mom sleeping could be a solution to the matchups, but it would be extremely anti climatic, even though its make sense.
Personaly, i don't think that Jack is THAT strong to have both Zoro and Sanji against him (i mean, Inu and Neko were capable of holding him off, before the poison weapons). And its make more sense to put Inu and Neko against him to revenge Zou.
Even Jinbe against him would make more sense, since they both are fishmans
And btw, what about King? Who's gonna fight him?

Marco is gonna take care of King , sure thing

 

[kkck]

I think that's gonna be the case with Sanji, he will probably bloom in this fight even though this is a nonsense powerup.
To be honest, i think that EVERY strawhat will bloom in this battle, they really need it now, since the manga it's "almost" over. Otherwise, i don't know how they could deal with the Blackbeard Pirates. I mean, c'mon, what was the last seriously battle that Sanji had? He got a draw or a defeat in all of his last mini fights (Vergo, Daifuku, Oven, Doflamingo etc). I think that the last real fight that he had was against Absalom, correct me if i'm wrong. He's the third/fourth strongest strawhat, he need to shine more and even though this is clearly an arc made for Zoro, i think the others will shine too.

About Apoo, i firmly believe that he will side by the Allied forces. He, alongside with Hawkins, just wanted to survive, even if that mean to leave his pride aside. But now, seeing the others Supernovas attacking a Yonkou together, he can't miss this chance . He will play a role similar to Bege with Big Mom and betray Kaido in the middle of the battle. I don't think Oda will portrait only one Supernova being a lackey. Just like the group's name, they will shine.

Sanji hasn't had a fight in all of part 2.... at least not one that counts anyways. As far as the blooming thing, that is always a huge risk. But only for the strawhats with haki. Basically luffy, zoro, sanji and ussop.... As for the others, they'd need to straight up awaken their haki. Which is possible but realistically speaking it won't be a powerup they'd get to defeat anyone important. As in, if chopper is getting his ass handed to him by a yonko executive, merely awakening his haki won't be enough to turn the tide. Since yonko executives would be people who are already capable haki users.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

I think that's gonna be the case with Sanji, he will probably bloom in this fight even though this is a nonsense powerup.
To be honest, i think that EVERY strawhat will bloom in this battle, they really need it now, since the manga it's "almost" over. Otherwise, i don't know how they could deal with the Blackbeard Pirates. I mean, c'mon, what was the last seriously battle that Sanji had? He got a draw or a defeat in all of his last mini fights (Vergo, Daifuku, Oven, Doflamingo etc). I think that the last real fight that he had was against Absalom, correct me if i'm wrong. He's the third/fourth strongest strawhat, he need to shine more and even though this is clearly an arc made for Zoro, i think the others will shine too.

About Apoo, i firmly believe that he will side by the Allied forces. He, alongside with Hawkins, just wanted to survive, even if that mean to leave his pride aside. But now, seeing the others Supernovas attacking a Yonkou together, he can't miss this chance . He will play a role similar to Bege with Big Mom and betray Kaido in the middle of the battle. I don't think Oda will portrait only one Supernova being a lackey. Just like the group's name, they will shine.


Well, Big Mom sleeping could be a solution to the matchups, but it would be extremely anti climatic, even though its make sense.
Personaly, i don't think that Jack is THAT strong to have both Zoro and Sanji against him (i mean, Inu and Neko were capable of holding him off, before the poison weapons). And its make more sense to put Inu and Neko against him to revenge Zou.
Even Jinbe against him would make more sense, since they both are fishmans
And btw, what about King? Who's gonna fight him?

Kid or Hawkins vs. King

 

[Sachsenhesse]

After seeing the anime, i will call Sanji vs. Page1 Round 2.

Ashura Doji vs. Jack Round 2

Kinemon and Zoro vs. King. (so that Zoro learns how to cut fire)

The scabbards vs. the headliners.

Drake vs. Queen.

 

[nik87]

Kinemon and Zoro vs. King. (so that Zoro learns how to cut fire)

Why are you trying to make the fight harder for Zoro by adding a fodder that Zoro needs to protect besides himself?