Team Gray and Lyon vs Sting and Rogue

[Orphan Prince]

Gray and Lyon

VS

Sting and Rogue

Conditions
Sting and Rogue start in base
Sting and Rogue have the power-levels they did during the GMG Arc
Gray and Lyon have the power-levels they did during the GMG Arc
Everyone is bloodlusted

Restrictions
Dragon Force
Iced Shell

Intent
KO

Location
GMG Arena

Starting Distance
20 Feet

ROUND 2

Conditions
Sting and Rogue start in Dragon Force
Sting and Rogue have the power-level they did during the GMG Arc
Gray and Lyon have the power-level they did during the GMG Arc
Everyone is bloodlusted

Restrictions
Iced Shell

Intent
KO

Location
GMG Arena

Starting Distance
20 Feet​

 

[Tirl]

Twins both rounds. I don't think they are much stronger in base, but Ice Make is quite boring and useless in battle, especially at that time.
Mid-high diff first round
Mid-low diff second round

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

but Ice Make is quite boring and useless in battle, especially at that time

How is ice make useless in battle? Gray has used ice make to beat most of his opponents.

 

[Tirl]

How is ice make useless in battle? Gray has used ice make to beat most of his opponents.

Yes, and what? Good guys beat bad guys, we know. It doesn't make Ice Make any useful in normal battle with such opponents. Gray and Lyon are strong, but there is nothing they can do to twins. Sting alone could just spam long distance aoe attacks and beat them. They won't touch twins cuz their magic attacks are slow and even need much time to cast

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Yes, and what? Good guys beat bad guys, we know.

Then might well as ignore feats for all the good guys. Anything good guys do is valid feats because those are canon in the manga. It was useful against all the opponents that have been used so far so your point about it's not useful is irrelevant. Gray and Lyon also have long-distance attacks and gray can use shields to block them. Nothing to say sting and rogue are massively fast than gray and Lyon.

 

[ShaLIGHTNING]

To me, facing bloodlusted Dragon Slayers is not the best of things to do.

GMG Gray really wasn't his hottest in form, Natsu and Gajeel looked far better in power than Gray did at the time and I can't see him do as well as Gajeel and Natsu did vs the Twins.

I'd give it to Twin Dragons both rounds, not sure about the difficulty both rounds.

 

[Zero001]

A GMG duel now is a bit nonsense for me, and although I am not much of an opinion on levels in this manga since everything is as Mashima wants, this duel is for Gray and Lyon just because even Gajeel effortlessly humiliated Rogue and they have always been a failure some ridiculously believe that being a dragon slayer makes you strong just because it's the same kind of Natsu's magic, but that's is false and these 2 well known for being a failure, although honestly Sabertooth was more of a failure really only Minerva and Rufus were the only ones who were decent in that arc.

 

[Axiomus]

Do Sting and Rogue power of emotions unlocked or not? That makes a huge difference. With POF, Sting is putting holes in Jiemma, whose above Minerva.

 

[ShaLIGHTNING]

Really is a tuff one. Sabertooth wasn’t that big of a deal to be honest, they were hyped like crazy but none of them actually delivered and the whole of their GMG crew ended up outclassed. Jiemma is crap to my eyes so I didn’t think piercing him was that big of a deal.

By the way, wasn’t Future Rogue a thing because of him been bloodlusted ?

the fact they’re bloodlusted is the only criteria that makes me shift toward the twin dragons as we already saw what a bloodlusted dragon slayer could do, otherwise, Lyon and Gray would teach a lesson to the Twins’ cocky ass version.

 

[Axiomus]

Regular Jiemma is canonically stronger than Minerva, and demon Jiemma is stronger than any of the 9 demon gates. Unlocking POF made Sting stronger than Kagura/Minerva tiers imo.

 

[Raven]

Round 1

Sting and Rogue high diff

Round 2

Sting and Rogue low diff

 

[grey matter]

@Orphan Prince
At which point in GMG?
Depends on whether it's twin dragons pre or post potential unlock. After unlocking potential, Sting ~ Rouge > base Gajeel ~ base Natsu ~ Gray ~ Lyon

Pre potential unlock, I honestly think Gray or Lyon could solo. Considering base Natsu solo'd

Post potential unlock, twin dragons take the win mid diff.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 8, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 8, 2021 ---

Do Sting and Rogue power of emotions unlocked or not? That makes a huge difference. With POF, Sting is putting holes in Jiemma, whose above Minerva.

Exactly.
Potential-unlock makes a big difference.

Maybe people can argue Jiemma was caught off guard.
But the fact that Rouge basically low-mid diff'd base Gajeel post potential unlock makes the point irrefutable.

 

[Orphan Prince]

At which point in GMG?

This is the same Sting and Rogue that fought Natsu and Gajeel, only difference is that they're serious from the start rather than arrogant.

 

[grey matter]

This is the same Sting and Rogue that fought Natsu and Gajeel, only difference is that they're serious from the start rather than arrogant.

Then Lyon and Gray destroys

 

[CaptainTorch]

Regular Jiemma is canonically stronger than Minerva, and demon Jiemma is stronger than any of the 9 demon gates. Unlocking POF made Sting stronger than Kagura/Minerva tiers imo.

Not arguing or anything, but was it stated anywhere that Jiemma is stronger than Minerva? I can't recall when it happened.

 

[Axiomus]

Not arguing or anything, but was it stated anywhere that Jiemma is stronger than Minerva? I can't recall when it happened.

Well Mard Geer considers Jiemma stronger than all the 9 demon gates and called Minerva trash.

 

[Seven777]

Gray and Lyon both rounds, with relative ease. Gray alone defeated Silver, he'd be near a match for Tartaros Sting and Rogue 1v2, add Lyon in and it's a wash.

 

[Raven]

@Axiomus

Natsu vs Sting and Rogue was filled with POF, Since he wanted a win to make Lucy happy.

I don't think Gray and Lyon can win in any scenario in GMG arc, against them

 

[Axiomus]

@Axiomus

Natsu vs Sting and Rogue was filled with POF, Since he wanted a win to make Lucy happy.

I don't think Gray and Lyon can win in any scenario in GMG arc, against them

Well, I don't think GMG Gray can do it.

Tartaros Gray had his own POF against Silver, and could throw a steel ball through Silver. I think that is better than Sting blasting a hole through Jiemma, and almost on par with WSD Silk from Sting and Rogue combined. Lyon is really the weak link here, as I don't think he can even beat them during their GMG match with Natsu and Gajeel.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Gray and Lyon.