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Macro is fearless, until Mira can show she can use Macro on stronger opponents and not some fodder then i can accept it.
It was not stated that macro would not work on stronger people. Since base Seilah who is physically weaker than tartros Erza and Neo minerva already use it against them.
 
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It was not stated that macro would not work on stronger people. Since base Seilah who is physically weaker than tartros Erza and Neo minerva already use it against them.
Say suppose someone says Mira can Macro Acnologia, Igneel,Irene and Dragon Gods how will it look like?It goes beyond saying Macro won't work on them.

Mira only used Macro against fodders,even in life threatening situations she didn't use Macro.Neither did she use it against Juliet and Hyhne nor against Irene when she was torturing her and was going to kill her,nor against Skullion till now.Until she actually shows Macro works against strong opponents we shouldn't consider it in my opinion.
 

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Also Gray can use Des in Base state too right?He doesn't need to demonise,he can spam the Des spells in Base state thereby negating any Take Over advantage assuming there is even one.
His stats are way worse than Mira's in base.
 

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His stats are way worse than Mira's in base.
Doesn't matter,he is not wrestling here,he should be spamming long range spells,if his spell hits Mira is done for.

Come on everyone this is Slayer Advantage we are talking about here.
 

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Say suppose someone says Mira can Macro Acnologia, Igneel,Irene and Dragon Gods how will it look like?It goes beyond saying Macro won't work on them.

Mira only used Macro against fodders,even in life threatening situations she didn't use Macro.Neither did she use it against Juliet and Hyhne nor against Irene when she was torturing her and was going to kill her,nor against Skullion till now.Until she actually shows Macro works against strong opponents we shouldn't consider it in my opinion.
Is Gray on that level already? Think again.
 

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Say suppose someone says Mira can Macro Acnologia, Igneel,Irene and Dragon Gods how will it look like?It goes beyond saying Macro won't work on them.

Mira only used Macro against fodders,even in life threatening situations she didn't use Macro.Neither did she use it against Juliet and Hyhne nor against Irene when she was torturing her and was going to kill her,nor against Skullion till now.Until she actually shows Macro works against strong opponents we shouldn't consider it in my opinion.
You just named 5 Dragons and we seen dead dragon scales stopped hax cursed like Zeref's death wave. Can you show hax being negated by actual PL? Bcs there's plenty of evidence that says otherwise. F.Rogue has a variant of Macro with Dragon Supremacy magic and all those Dragons would curb F.Rogue yet he macro-ed them easily.

Not using it and it won't work are two different things. Jacob didn't use transport on Mira does that mean transport doesn't work on Mira? Irene didn't use her hax on Erza does that mean Erza is immune to her enchantments? We can roll the dice on many individuals in the Alvarez arc who failed to use their hax effectively. Mashima admitted in an interview on how hax bust PL and generally not use amongst manga artist bcs their fans like a brawl rather than a battle of hax.

She was out magic (bcs she used Algeria) when she faced Irene. She could barely use BSS against Jacob for a finisher.
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Doesn't matter,he is not wrestling here,he should be spamming long range spells,if his spell hits Mira is done for.

Come on everyone this is Slayer Advantage we are talking about here.
His biggest AoE is Ice Make Silver which can be dodged as the radius is not that big. His roars and arrows are also easy to dodge when someone out stats him as shown against Mard Geer.

Slayer advantage didn't give him an auto win against Mard Geer bcs Mard Geer dodged his attacks via superior stats. I can see Mira doing the same as Mard Geer. This is not even taking in the account of her 9D abilities like Franmelth's who can absorb magic.
 

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Doesn't matter,he is not wrestling here,he should be spamming long range spells,if his spell hits Mira is done for.

Come on everyone this is Slayer Advantage we are talking about here.
Well thats like saying base Sheria can beat Chrono Yesta w/o the help of third origin. Like what i said Gray slayer advantage is demonic in nature which Mirajane takeover has a superiority.
 

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Well thats like saying base Sheria can beat Chrono Yesta w/o the help of third origin. Like what i said Gray slayer advantage is demonic in nature which Mirajane takeover has a superiority.
The difference between Shelia and Dimaria is much less than Gray and Mira.

You just named 5 Dragons and we seen dead dragon scales stopped hax cursed like Zeref's death wave. Can you show hax being negated by actual PL? Bcs there's plenty of evidence that says otherwise. F.Rogue has a variant of Macro with Dragon Supremacy magic and all those Dragons would curb F.Rogue yet he macro-ed them easily.

Not using it and it won't work are two different things. Jacob didn't use transport on Mira does that mean transport doesn't work on Mira? Irene didn't use her hax on Erza does that mean Erza is immune to her enchantments? We can roll the dice on many individuals in the Alvarez arc who failed to use their hax effectively. Mashima admitted in an interview on how hax bust PL and generally not use amongst manga artist bcs their fans like a brawl rather than a battle of hax.

She was out magic (bcs she used Algeria) when she faced Irene. She could barely use BSS against Jacob for a finisher.
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His biggest AoE is Ice Make Silver which can be dodged as the radius is not that big. His roars and arrows are also easy to dodge when someone out stats him as shown against Mard Geer.

Slayer advantage didn't give him an auto win against Mard Geer bcs Mard Geer dodged his attacks via superior stats. I can see Mira doing the same as Mard Geer. This is not even taking in the account of her 9D abilities like Franmelth's who can absorb magic.
Let her first use Macro on strong opponents then I will personally accept it but until she actually shows it i am not accepting it.
 

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No obviously not,but Gray also isn't some Alvarez level fodder too.
Look if Mashima think that Mirajane is weaker than Gray.

He should already let Skullion stomp Mirajane but he didnt do it( just like how Skullion low diffed Gray.)
 

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Also DeS is a curse, no? Bloodman refrenced using all 9D curses and he used DeS powers. If DeS is a curse then Mira negates it as no Etherious curses can work on her as shown when she negated Kyouka's sensation curse and Seilah's macro with her takeover magic. This also is backed by Gray, the Demon Slayer, striaght up admits Mira has no actual weakness that Wall could exploit.
 

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The difference between Shelia and Dimaria is much less than Gray and Mira.



Let her first use Macro on strong opponents then I will personally accept it but until she actually shows it i am not accepting it.
But you cant deny that his Slayer advantage is demonic in nature. Remember it can use by Bloodman who is an ethrious demon.
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Also DeS is a curse, no? Bloodman refrenced using all 9D curses and he used DeS powers. If DeS is curse then Mira negates it as no Etherious curse can work on her as shown when she negated Kyouka's sensation curse and Seilah's macro with her takeover magic. This also is backed by Gray, the Demon Slayer, striaght up admits Mira has no actual weakness that Wall could exploit.
agreed.
 
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The difference between Shelia and Dimaria is much less than Gray and Mira.



Let her first use Macro on strong opponents then I will personally accept it but until she actually shows it i am not accepting it.
Macro was already credible enough by the showings it had in Tartarus and Mira used that same Macro in base and weakened back in Tartarus. Current Mira is heads and shoulders above her former self and Seilah combined.
 

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He needed a DeS boost to stomp the Rajinshuu in stats. He manhandle Invel in Base when he was doped on PoF.
Okay....But what's stopping Gray from both demonizing and tapping into his POF?
 

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Okay....But what's stopping Gray from both demonizing and tapping into his POF?
He wouldn't be low diffed by Skullion if he always could tap into his POF. Diabolos and Touka would be a non threat if people like Natsu could tap into their POF. PoF is a Deus ex machina which doesn't always work.
 

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Okay....But what's stopping Gray from both demonizing and tapping into his POF?
Bcs tapping into PoF is not something anyone can do willy nilly otherwise it would just be their standard form. He only obtained that form bcs he thought Juvia died and now he is back to his original power with nothing to suggest he can ramp back to that point. He wouldn't have been stomped by Skullion if he can use PoF and PoF usually correlates with PIS i.e. Natsu vs FH Zeref/Acno and Erza vs Irene/Acno. They don't operate on that level as a standard form.
 
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He wouldn't be low diffed by Skullion if he always could tap into his POF. Diabolos and Touka would be a non threat if people like Natsu could tap into their POF. PoF is a Deus ex machina which doesn't always work.
The main characters will tap into their POF if the fight goes on long enough, usually as the stakes of the fight become higher and they get more desperate. Skullion managed to defeat Gray before he got the chance to work up his emotions. I don't see Mirajane doing the same.
 

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The main characters will tap into their POF if the fight goes on long enough, usually as the stakes of the fight become higher and they get more desperate. Skullion managed to defeat Gray before he got the chance to work up his emotions. I don't see Mirajane doing the same.
Nothing suggests what you said. All we know what triggered Gray's PoF is Juvia's death , and that was because it was similar to the darkness he held in his heart i.e. his parents' deaths. What triggered it is he was forced to fight Juvia , not anyone else. He has been keeping that darkness with him ever since he lost his parents , during Galuna island , during when he lost Silver again , and all of it exploded when he lost Juvia.

Same goes for Natsu , Zeref has been purposely pissing Natsu off ever since Tartaros for the sole reason of him activating his PoF. He even tries to kill Makarov , solely for the purpose of activating his PoF. It took a heck lot of time for Natsu to activate his PoF , and this was due to Zeref pissing him off from Tartaros.

These two cases were situational. Tell me where else did the MC use this kind of PoF.
 

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Like I have said before Mirajane has to beat Skullion. Only then she is > Gray. If she can't get Skullion to use the same effort he used against Gray then she is equal to non-pof Gray. Doesn't matter whatever form she use. If Gray ends up interrupting Mira's fight and beat Skullion, then she is not on Gray's level. She remains as false hype.
 
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