Fantasy Gray vs Mirajane

[Karna]

Where is Ohara Librarian when you need her to make a Gray defeating Mira ON panel?

 

[Jko]

Mira still wins. It's pretty obvious when she stalemated the guy who oneshotted him and he had to fight her while she was nerfed.

Spoiler

She was nerfed and still gave Gray a high diff lmao.

 

[Karna]

Your argument is invalid once Gray roasts Skullion.

Gray>Mira.

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@Jko

 

[Seven777]

Could go either way for now, we'll see how Gray does in his rematch with Skullion. If he wins high diff then they should be more or less on the same tier, if Gray beats DF Skullion then he's probably stronger. Maybe Mira will get more feats later, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Gray win this
High diff if i have to say unless his des advantage is as big as it was against Lard geer where Mira would get destroyed

 

[WoWfan]

Anyway on topic, Mira still takes this, or at least until translations comes out

 

[**Silver**]

Gray is main character after all so mirajane actual winning chance is zero here...

Gray wins easily

 

[Karna]

I think the whole problem with this whole Mira-Gray thing is that the argument comes from Skullion. The idea is that Skullion one-shot Gray and Mira stalemated him, so she is better. But anyone with a sensible mind can figure out that Skullion didn't actually one-shot Gray though. In the same veins that Kyria rendered Erza unable to fight, Skullion's attack and more importantly,Brandish's intervention kept him out of the fight. If the fight went on, Gray would obviously beat that guy and he probably will in the future and possibly stronger people from his group.
About the whole DeS advantage, the strongest demon Gray fought was E.N.D and with DeS advantage, Gray fought evenly against END. So by logic, any demon weaker than END ain't getting a win against Gray.
Which leads me to believe that Gray didn't use his DeS magic against his dear friend Mira-chan, cause that shit hurts demons too much and is unnecessary against her. Mard Geer was unphased by a Natsu+Twin Dragons combo but screamed in agony from a simple freezing by Gray. So I think it's fairly easy to assume Gray didn't use his slayer magic against Mira, cause it's cruel.
Mira fans, what you need to point are feats. Gray has an incredible amount compared to her, against better opponents, simple as that.
Stalemating Skullion was fine and all, but still ain't shit, because that whole scaling depends on the "gray got one-shot" argument against Skullion. He didn't though. Same way Erza didn't get one-shot by Kyria. Sometimes the plot kicks in to render some characters unable to fight, to further progress the plot.
In my humble opinion: Gray>Skullion/Mira

Tbf Mira vs Gray is basically Di Maria vs Shelia. The enemy used a God Takeover against a God Slayer. That's more than enough to solidify that Mira loses.

The argument quote proves that Gray wins and is the chad, not because he is an MC.

Feats> Authors Claim.

How many of us fell for Bacchus being Erza rival?

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Tbf Mira vs Gray is basically Di Maria vs Shelia. The enemy used a God Takeover against a God Slayer. That's more than enough to solidify that Mira loses.

The argument quote proves that Gray wins and is the chad, not because he is an MC.

Feats> Authors Claim.

How many of us fell for Bacchus being Erza rival?

That example doesn’t work here that good because Chelia also needed third origin.

 

[Karna]

That example doesn’t work here that good because Chelia also needed third origin.

Similar scenario. The difference is that Gray is a superior(by feats) contender as opposed to Shelia.

 

[AmitDS]

Skullion tied with BSS Mirajane so the notion that Gray would be stronger than her if he manages to beat Skullion is wrong, actually. That would just make him arguably stronger than Mirajane's weakest takeover. Skullion and BSS Mirajane are stronger than Gray at full power right now ignoring POF while Mirajane's higher forms and Skullion's DF would be even more powerful than any form of current Gray minus POF Gray. So even if Gray manages to beat Skullion in the future while Skullion is in base, that wouldn't make him stronger than Mirajane. Even beating DF Skullion may be inconclusive since no one knows how Alegria Mirajane for example would measure up against him.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Skullion tied with BSS Mirajane so the notion that Gray would be stronger than her if he manages to beat Skullion is wrong, actually. That would just make him arguably stronger than Mirajane's weakest takeover. Skullion and BSS Mirajane are stronger than Gray at full power right now ignoring POF while Mirajane's higher forms and Skullion's DF would be even more powerful than any form of current Gray minus POF Gray. So even if Gray manages to beat Skullion in the future while Skullion is in base, that wouldn't make him stronger than Mirajane. Even beating DF Skullion may be inconclusive since no one knows how Alegria Mirajane for example would measure up against him.

Mira fighting him and BSS is kinda relevant when she didn't know if she could beat Skullion period. If Gray beats Skullion he is above Mira.

 

[WoWfan]

Skullion did not know if he could beat Mira either, this could go either way and this is not her strongest

 

[AmitDS]

Mira fighting him and BSS is kinda relevant when she didn't know if she could beat Skullion period. If Gray beats Skullion he is above Mira.

Mira drew with him in BSS so it actually is relevant unless you are saying that her other forms are as powerful or weaker than BSS. Unlike Gray she didn't go all out against him for whatever reason (likely she didn't have enough power to use her higher forms and for an extended period). If Gray beats Skullion in future it would just prove that he's stronger than BSS Mirajane. Gray couldn't surpass her after all this time so maybe he might at the end of this series.

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Skullion did not know if he could beat Mira either, this could go either way and this is not her strongest

Exactly she was in BSS and he is forbidden to use his dragon force. So he beat Gray when he was in base but tied with base Mira.

 

[LaGOAT]

Natsu didn't get power ups in the PL arc and the enemies he faced were from that arc an onward were enemies much stronger than Gray.

He is the same age as regular Jellal which is the same age as Erza. That's pretty clear as day. He became an S-Class within two years. Mira and Erza were younger than he was when became an S-Class so him taking a year or not doesn't really matter lol. It's not like he has to be in a guild to train.

Doesn't matter if he fell asleep or not as he felt the effects of the magic as he was dozing off while Laxus didn't. Makarov >>> BoS Laxus. Did you see any indication of her trying to? Show him ever using that in a combative scenario. Mira can use sleep magic as well yet it is totally useless to her in a fight.

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If sleep magic can make Makarov sleepy then dang it should have easily been his go to move. He should have solo-ed Edolas, but he couldn't lol.

Sorry I didn’t seee this.

for example who?? And I’m talking about Till FF arc.

No proof but I guess I’ll give u that. That doesn’t proof that anything cuz u don’t have no proof that he join earlier than x781 if anything he could have join after Mirajane became s class and if I remember Correctly we never saw Mystogan in the FT guild flashbacks. Mystogan being the last s class mage doesn’t proof anything when feats shows he down erza.

Ok and we saw what aria down makarov proven makarov was off guard I could say makarov was a lil off guard then. 2. Just like u said to me all the time he didn’t use it cuz of CIS. 3. Laxus did portray mystogan to be on his lvl but not erza

 

[Crimson Ice]

Mira drew with him in BSS so it actually is relevant unless you are saying that her other forms are as powerful or weaker than BSS. Unlike Gray she didn't go all out against him for whatever reason (likely she didn't have enough power to use her higher forms and for an extended period). If Gray beats Skullion in future it would just prove that he's stronger than BSS Mirajane. Gray couldn't surpass her after all this time so maybe he might at the end of this series.

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Exactly she was in BSS and he is forbidden to use his dragon force. So he beat Gray when he was in base but tied with base Mira.

No, regardless of if she was in BSS she didn't know if they could win period, those were Mira's words. So unless you're saying Mira doesn't know her own strength her being in BSS is irrelevant.

 

[WoWfan]

Skullion did not know if they could win either, that They underestimated their strength, that is why they retreated, could go either way

 

[AmitDS]

No, regardless of if she was in BSS she didn't know if they could win period, those were Mira's words. So unless you're saying Mira doesn't know her own strength her being in BSS is irrelevant.

Unless BSS = SITRI= SEILAH= ALEGRIA then your point lacks any backing. What's more likely? Mira couldn't go into her other forms like Skullion couldn't (due to her using a lot of magic and the nature of her power) or Mirajane's forms are all on the same level.

 

[Vis]

Honestly, Mashima seems like he just doesn't care anymore what form Mirajane uses, as long as the implication that she's not holding back is there.

Which was there. She was dumb enough to think it was actually Lisanna that Madmole 'erased'. There was no reason why she would have been holding back. And at best, you can really just say she stalemated Skullion.

 

[WoWfan]

the only battles when she does not hold back is when individuals are not around to see her do so.