Group Group A

Group A: Pick your top 4!

  • Ajeel Ramal

    Votes: 36 56.3%
  • Cana Alberona

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Elfman Strauss

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Erza Scarlet

    Votes: 59 92.2%
  • Gildarts Clive

    Votes: 60 93.8%
  • Gray Fullbuster

    Votes: 54 84.4%
  • Kagura Mikazuchi

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • Nebal

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Total voters
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An now a year later, Erza and the rest of the main cast have grown by leaps and bounds once more. An Mashima dedicated an entire arc to showing that the rest of FT has put in similar work since Alvarez. Elfman in his Megido Form was able to fight Madmole, who has stood equal to FDK Natsu, to a standstill. He can still transform into that sand immune beast.

She managed to put the only significant damage on August other than Gildarts, and yes she had a type advantage, but that only meant the damage couldn’t be negated. She’s no pushover power wise, and having spent time to learn those drunken martial arts moves is the ultimate lvl up for her. An did you see how fast she dropped FG on Grey ass?
Nah, I don't think characters powered up similar to how they did from Tartarus to Alverez.
Characters jumped multiple tiers between x791 and x792. After Alverez, people were more chill and relax. They probably jumped 1-2 tier between x792 and x793. Proof is that Brandish is still relevant.
Madmole vs Elfman was completely off screen, how the fight transpired is anyone's guess. I have written in the thread my own interpretation on how the fight went, it is headcanon, but I think it's logical. Check it out and let me know what you think, it's in the same page. And no, I don't think Elfman hits harder than FDK demo fist, no way.

She did like 0.001% damage to August lmao. Gildarts' all out attack itself did only minor damage to August, without immunity.
Mashima tried to pull Erza vs Midnight 2.0 against August, but it was nonsense and fell flat because Cana can do absolute jack to August even without immunity, while Erza's attacks could actually hurt Midnight if it hits him.
She learned some combat skills, so what? Her stats are far too low for it to make a difference. Take FG away and she's by far the weakest in the group, you do agree with that, right? That demonstrates my point
 

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Nah, I don't think characters powered up similar to how they did from Tartarus to Alverez.
Characters jumped multiple tiers between x791 and x792. After Alverez, people were more chill and relax. They probably jumped 1-2 tier between x792 and x793. Proof is that Brandish is still relevant.
Madmole vs Elfman was completely off screen, how the fight transpired is anyone's guess. I have written in the thread my own interpretation on how the fight went, it is headcanon, but I think it's logical. Check it out and let me know what you think, it's in the same page. And no, I don't think Elfman hits harder than FDK demo fist, no way.

She did like 0.001% damage to August lmao. Gildarts' all out attack itself did only minor damage to August, without immunity.
Mashima tried to pull Erza vs Midnight 2.0 against August, but it was nonsense and fell flat because Cana can do absolute jack to August even without immunity, while Erza's attacks could actually hurt Midnight if it hits him.
She learned some combat skills, so what? Her stats are far too low for it to make a difference. Take FG away and she's by far the weakest in the group, you do agree with that, right? That demonstrates my point
It took a brand new FDK spell to put Madmole down even for a moment. Elfman fought him to a standstill. An I have to disagree. They jumped tiers training to be strong enough to beat Tartarus. The Aldoron arc shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that they trained just as hard, if evidenced by all the new spells and modes and Magic’s learned by our guild mates. Why would I assume less significant growth in the year of training and going on missions and challenging threats consistently? They grew enough in that year that Natsu got permission to go on the 100YQ.

It did plenty. He wasn’t shrugging it off or ignoring her attacks. An the Gildarts debate becomes semantics. He stood up…but he immediately committed suicide, so I dunno why people think he was fine.

Debatable honestly. She’s stayed relevant and added to her skills enough she was about to trounce Grey without a save. An I mean immediately. I’m not sure if she’d make it without her top spell, Elfman would likely supplant her….but since she doesn’t have tooo….
 

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It took a brand new FDK spell to put Madmole down even for a moment. Elfman fought him to a standstill. An I have to disagree. They jumped tiers training to be strong enough to beat Tartarus. The Aldoron arc shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that they trained just as hard, if evidenced by all the new spells and modes and Magic’s learned by our guild mates. Why would I assume less significant growth in the year of training and going on missions and challenging threats consistently? They grew enough in that year that Natsu got permission to go on the 100YQ.

It did plenty. He wasn’t shrugging it off or ignoring her attacks. An the Gildarts debate becomes semantics. He stood up…but he immediately committed suicide, so I dunno why people think he was fine.

Debatable honestly. She’s stayed relevant and added to her skills enough she was about to trounce Grey without a save. An I mean immediately. I’m not sure if she’d make it without her top spell, Elfman would likely supplant her….but since she doesn’t have tooo….
If that was the case, Brandish would be as irrelevant in x793, as Jackal was in x792. So no. They did improve decently between x792 and x793, but the improvement cannot be compared with the insane jump between x791 and x792
They learned new spells, so what? That doesn't mean they improved by multiple tiers, which has more to do with stats than learning new techniques.
Did you read my interpretation of Elfman's fights? It's iffy because they were all off screen, and I explained why. I also gave a counter to "Elfman hits harder than FDK demo fist"

He wasn't ignoring it because of CIS lol. For someone of that tier, Cana's attacks shouldn't even tickle. It was just an excuse for Gildarts to figure out August's ability, Erza vs Midnight 2.0 but non sensical
He stood up immediately, and used ars magica because he's retarded. Gildarts had lost his ONLY means of damaging August, and had crippled himself in the process. Finishing off Gildarts at that point was mere formality. Using ars magica was completely unnecessary.

Oh come on. Both you and I know Gray wasn't serious, it was a gag moment. Serious Gray one shots her, undebatable.
Edit: tell me who she's going to defeat in this group, if fairy glitter is restricted. Would she even give more than a mid diff to the next weakest mage in the group?
 
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question: is this the reason why all other FT threads are basically closed?
OT: erza,gray,gildarts and ajeel
 

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Maybe this will help:



How a character fights tactically is up for debate.

In the case of Ajeel, he can assimilate with the sand. His fighting style has never indicated he hides in the sand. So how would he approach this battle?

My opinion would be he uses the AoE of the sand to his advantage (eg impair vision, move around the battlefield undetected) rather than simply hide until everyone is weaker.
Great, thanks. I'm on the same page :super

It's not speculation to say he CAN if we're shown that he can assimilate with sand.
Make the battlefield involve sea, and I have no problem if you say she assimilate with sea and attacking camouflaged. Too bad the battle royal takes place on land lol.
Laxus turning to lightning is limited. He basically uses it only for travel, and never offensively. As far as we know, he isn't capable of attacking while in lighting form, while Ajeel and Juvia have demonstrated that ability.
I agree it's not speculation to say Ajeel can assimilate with sand. We have seen him done so against Erza, and he will likely do so if he is to whip out sand world again. You don't see me disagreeing with you on that point. However, your initial quote was Ajeel could hide under the Earth, or hide within sand world for prolonged duration while waiting for the rest to tire themselves out.

@Biri Biri
It isn't about who is stronger in a 1v1 . It's about who will be the last four to survive. Ajeel can hide under Earth or in sand world dealing attrition damage, while someone takes down Elfman
However, Ajeel has never hid under Earth. It is not a feat he has shown in his skillset. Hence it is pure speculation on your part.

The battle might or might not take place on land. Tbh, the location of this fight is not specified. The rules indicate:
3. Neutral location
The fights take place at a neutral venue that doesn't give any wizard an advantage/disadvantage because of location. The Timelapse also doesn't exist for Tournament purposes. Slayers cannot use external elements to power up. Ultear cannot appear in a ripple of time (such as Age Seal).
Like you said, the battle could take place on land. If we follow the rules, however, then it isn't going to occur in a place with significant amount of sand. Because that would mean it's no longer a neutral location, as Ajeel would receive an obvious advantage. Neither is it going to happen in an icy region because that would be an obvious advantage for Gray. A neutral location should mean that none of the participants can take advantage of the terrain/environment to increase their combat abilities beyond what they are normally capable of.

Ajeel can assimilate in the sandstorm but he isn't going to do so for a prolonged duration. And he isn't going to hide under the Earth. From what we have seen of Ajeel in his fight with Erza, he quickly attacked her in an attempt to prove his superiority over her. Given his track record, this is not congruent to your claims. I understand that all argument centers around hypothesis. However, we shouldn't blatantly disregard the law of probability.

Examples of good, working hypothesis would be Gildarts using Crash magic to split apart others' attacks. He has done so to Natsu, Bluenote and historia Serena. Or using Disassembly magic to separate his targets into cubes (Natsu, August). Erza using the weapons and armours in her arsenal to gain an elemental advantage over her foes (Laxus, Natsu, Juvia, Ajeel). Gray freezing his foes, using his demon slayer markings to enhance his physical attributes and attack potency, or using ice clones that can mimic him as decoys (Silver). The probability of all these happening are likely.

If I were to say Gray is going to create an ice jet plane that enables him to fly in the air while launching ice missiles at his foes from above then we can assess that the probability of that happening is unlikely. This is not to say it's impossible for him to do something like that. However, he has never shown it before. Hence it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the participants if we are making up some feats for him to increase his likelihood of being victorious.

You are incorrect that Laxus does not attack after he transformed to lightning though. He evaded Mystogan's attack then attacked him.

Laxus attacked Hades here with his lightning body too.


It is different to Brandish fans saying "organ burst gg" because Ajeel and Juvia are using their abilities on their own elements which can't resist, which they have also demonstrated in live battles. It's more in line with Rouge assimilating with a large shadow.
While saying Brandish "organ burst gg" is similar to saying Jellal ones shots everyone with bind snake or self destruction circle. Or saying Aria one shots everyone with the spell he used on Makarov. Or Mest one shots everyone with his mind control.
Completely different comparisons. One is used on their own element with they have complete control over. The other is used on mages, in which case timing, reaction, precision etc comes into play. One has been demonstrated in live battles, the other was at best demonstrated on off guard opponents.

Hoteye and Sol certainly can. Sol is too much of a fodder for it to make a difference tho, he'd get one shot within a second the fight starts. Hoteye isn't in the battle royal either


Jura can't assimilate with rocks, Ajeel can with sand

Rouge, Gajeel and FR certainly can. FR can even turn into light lol. I've no problem if you argue the same way towards these characters in their respective battle royals.

Ajeel has shown feats of assimilating with sand. This is a fact.
It is not any different to Brandish's 'organ burst' arguments because Brandish does not fight in that manner. Her fight with Lucy showed us that the way Brandish fought was by using her magic to minimize her foes' attacks then enlarging the attacks and launching them back, or shrink their bodies down so they can't do much damage to her then easily overpowering them. At least in Brandish's case, Mashima had another character (Dimaria) stating that she could potentially expand their organs inside their bodies until they explode. There is hype. On the other hand, Ajeel hiding under the Earth, or hiding within his sandstorm for a lengthy duration then waiting to feed on scraps has very little probability because it has neither been portrayed in manga (feats) nor implied (hype).

Hiding and moving beneath the ground is a unique ability that shadow DS magic users employ. Rogue explained the mechanism as the user feeling the gravity to the point where their legs feel as one with the ground, thus allowing them to sink in to the shadow world. It is a skill exclusive to shadow DS magic users. This has no relation to Ajeel's sand magic. Just because Rogue and co. could do so, this does not grant Ajeel the same ability too.


Jura uses Earth magic. 土系各種魔法 is Earth magic. The first character of his magic '土' literally means soil. The organic matter of the land surface of Earth. In theory, it would make more sense for Jura to be able to hide and merge underground. Yet he had never done so. The probability of Ajeel achieving so is even lower in all honesty.

A significant portion of battlefield is sand. He can canonically assimilate with them.
And either way, it doesn't even really matter. He uses sand world instead and assimilates with a city+ AOE sandstorm. Taking away assimilation with ground away from him is just a minor setback for him, ultimately making no change to the outcome.


Ajeel's character itself is CIS lmao, so yeah. The guy in character would straight up go and challenge Gildarts......
Again, you are giving Ajeel a huge benefit of doubt by assuming that the battlefield is sand. A neutral location mean that there shouldn't have a significant amount of sand in the battlefield. It could take place in Kardia Cathedral, Plutogrim, Celestial spirit world (this is neutral since no celestial spirits are amongst this group), Hargeon port, the FT guild building, or even the airship that Erza and Ajeel fought on. These are some examples of neutral locations.

I consider Ajeel the mage, and not Ajeel the character. I consider only Ajeel's MP and abelites, not his personality.
And yes, I'm giving him a personality that makes him use his ability with most efficiency.

No emotion = no cockiness, no jumping the gun, no challenging the strongest for adrenaline rush etc.


Yea, this is how he battles. And it works well on mages who are weaker than him in combat within sand world.
As we saw then, he failed spectacularly against Elfman likely because the dude fought him materialized. Instead of just backing away and moving onto some other opponent he can damage.

Take away the personality and the fight with Erza probably goes as it did, except Ajeel finishing her off fast instead of gloating.
While against Elfman, he could've switched targets with an ally. Jacob was fighting nearby, he could've simply taken over the fight with Mira, and Jacob with Elfman, and both would've won their fights.



Yes. Like I said, I consider Ajeel the mage, not Ajeel the personality.

I've already explained how it's nothing comparable to Brandish's "organ burst gg".
It isn't fair to the rest of participants if Ajeel gets to play by a different set of rules and dons a brand new personality that maximises his efficiency.

Ajeel lost only because he faced a sand immune opponent. And likely because he materialized to fight him for no reason other than his cockiness.
His on screen feat includes mid diffing Erza in combat. It took many blows from Erza's wind/water sword. off guard Jupiter canon and nakagami to take him down. He isn't weak. He just faced someone immune to his only source of damage.

Cana is literal fodder. She gets one shotted by anyone in the group except maybe Kagura and Nebal (who would both low-mid diff her) before she casts Fairy Glitter.
If you think Ajeel is weak and maybe powercreeped, Elfman is the next best IMO, not Cana.
Context is key to the situation. Ajeel only managed to get the better of Erza initially because her prominent weapons and armours in Requip were locked away by Marin's magic and she couldn't access them. Three of these items were the Wind god armour, sea empress sword and wind god sword. They were all very effective to combat Ajeel, who was bleeding heavily after being slashed.




And a fourth that was arguably her strongest armour in the Nakagami armour. Ajeel was left staggering from one hit by jupiter cannon. The same blast that could only scratch Makarov's forearms in his titan form. His actual durability leaves a lot to be desired. It's a matter of when, not if, he gets struck by someone more powerful than him here. The chances of Ajeel surviving a battle royale longer than a combatant as formidable as Elfman, who is highly regarded by characters like Erza for his tremendous durability and endurance, is exceptionally low in terms of probability.
 
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This is the worst list so far lol
How?
U think elfman>gray?
Why not? Gray was pretty ass in the Aldo arc 👀. Also voting an for an underdog each round.
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Nebal's most recent version has no magic :hurrgasm
 

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Why not? Gray was pretty ass in the Aldo arc 👀. Also voting an for an underdog each round.
The fact you have Elfman being more secure on your list than Erza and Gray. Even if you want to argue Ajeel, there's no way Elfman is above those two.
 

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The fact you have Elfman being more secure on your list than Erza and Gray. Even if you want to argue Ajeel, there's no way Elfman is above those two.
Elfman is below both Erza and Ajeel... Gray's performance in both the Aldo and Merc arcs weren't as good as Elf's and he is an underdog so he is getting my vote :catshrug
 

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Other than his ridiculous defense, Madmole isnt really impressive imo. His defense can block a base Natsu FDK Demo fist sure, but his attack power is at best base Natsu FD Iron Fist, or just bit above it. So what could he even do to Elfman lol. I saw it as a stalemate because neither Elfman could do anything against Madmole, nor could Madmole do anything to Elfman with Iron Fist level attacks. Elfman is sturdy, but no sturdy enough, nor fast enough to get away from an all side massacre Gildarts+Erza+Gray. In a battle royal like this, he loses rather easily, as impressive as he is. (not that easiy i guess, but he would get trashed)
 
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Elfman is below both Erza and Ajeel... Gray's performance in both the Aldo and Merc arcs weren't as good as Elf's and he is an underdog so he is getting my vote :catshrug
I mean I guess Elfman did better relative to how strong they are? He didn't exactly do a lot either. If your just doing it for an underdog vote I guess, but Gray is clearly stronger than Elfman
 

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Other than his ridiculous defense, Madmole isnt really impressive imo. His defense can block a base Natsu FDK Demo fist sure, but his attack power is at best base Natsu FD Iron Fist, or just bit above it. So what could he even do to Elfman lol. I saw it as a stalemate because neither Elfman could do anything against Madmole, nor could Madmole do anything to Elfman with Iron Fist level attacks. Elfman is sturdy, but no sturdy enough, nor fast enough to get away from an all side massacre Gildarts+Erza+Gray. In a battle royal like this, he loses rather easily, as impressive as he is. (not that easiy i guess, but he would get trashed)
The thing is Base FDK Natsu could not beat Madmole in a straight up battle of power and had to resort to heat instead to win. For Elfman to hurt Madmole with physical force, he would have to far more power than a Base Natsu Demo-fist.

I mean I guess Elfman did better relative to how strong they are? He didn't exactly do a lot either. If your just doing it for an underdog vote I guess, but Gray is clearly stronger than Elfman
I mean he no sold Lucy's mix dress while Gray got hurt by the Rajinshuu, and he hurt Madmole and tanked attacks from him while Gray's ice was shattered by Kiria. Gray's feats in the Selene arc aren't even applicable considering they are boosted in Elentir. So like by feats, Elfman keeping up and stalemating Madmole in a 4v4 and him no selling Mixed Dress is more impressive than what Gray did in the 100YQ.

So even without the underdog vote, I do not rate Gray solidly above Elf either.
 

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The thing is Base FDK Natsu could not beat Madmole in a straight up battle of power and had to resort to heat instead to win. For Elfman to hurt Madmole with physical force, he would have to far more power than a Base Natsu Demo-fist.



I mean he no sold Lucy's mix dress while Gray got hurt by the Rajinshuu, and he hurt Madmole and tanked attacks from him while Gray's ice was shattered by Kiria. Gray's feats in the Selene arc aren't even applicable considering they are boosted in Elentir. So like by feats, Elfman keeping up and stalemating Madmole in a 4v4 and him no selling Mixed Dress is more impressive than what Gray did in the 100YQ.

So even without the underdog vote, I do not rate Gray solidly above Elf either.
This is totally wrong and conveniently accommodated, as Gray was not using his full power in any of the things you mention and Elfman was controlled and fighting 100% and one of these fights was off screen, you just want to be unnecessarily controversial.
 

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The thing is Base FDK Natsu could not beat Madmole in a straight up battle of power and had to resort to heat instead to win. For Elfman to hurt Madmole with physical force, he would have to far more power than a Base Natsu Demo-fist.
But he didnt even hurt him. All we saw were those dust marks that usually indicate that characters got punched or fought for a while. Mira admitted that they cant defeat them, and when Skullion said they will retreat Madmole got surprised. I still saw this as Elfman basically doing nothing to Madmole and he knew it, but still in return Madmole didnt do anything to Elfman.
 

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This is totally wrong and conveniently accommodated, as Gray was not using his full power in any of the things you mention and Elfman was controlled and fighting 100% and one of these fights was off screen, you just want to be unnecessarily controversial.
Lol wut. Gray had access to his demon powers and stats just not ice. He got hurt by attacks far weaker than Lucy's Mix Dress. Off screen means absolutely nothing, the intent is all that matters and by intent, Elfman is strong enough to hurt Madmole. This has nothing to do with being controversial, but okay lol.
But he didnt even hurt him. All we saw were those dust marks that usually indicate that characters got punched or fought for a while. Mira admitted that they cant defeat them, and when Skullion said they will retreat Madmole got surprised. I still saw this as Elfman basically doing nothing to Madmole and he knew it, but still in return Madmole didnt do anything to Elfman.
He did hurt him.Those dust marks are actually damge markers and we saw that Madmole was hurt after the confrontation. Skullion legit stated they couldn't beat them either lol. So it was a stalemate. Elfman did so which is why he and Skullion admitted they were powerful lol. Madmole was hurting Elf in that fight as well. Both hurt each other which is why both were damaged and sweating after their stalemate.
 

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The thing is Base FDK Natsu could not beat Madmole in a straight up battle of power and had to resort to heat instead to win. For Elfman to hurt Madmole with physical force, he would have to far more power than a Base Natsu Demo-fist.



I mean he no sold Lucy's mix dress while Gray got hurt by the Rajinshuu, and he hurt Madmole and tanked attacks from him while Gray's ice was shattered by Kiria. Gray's feats in the Selene arc aren't even applicable considering they are boosted in Elentir. So like by feats, Elfman keeping up and stalemating Madmole in a 4v4 and him no selling Mixed Dress is more impressive than what Gray did in the 100YQ.

So even without the underdog vote, I do not rate Gray solidly above Elf either.
Well, Elfman's whole thing is durability, and he was just as scuffed up as Gray against mixed dress than Gray was by the raijinshu. I don't buy for a second he hurt Madmole either, at least Madmole who was defending like he did against Natsu or against Elfman the first time, there's no proof Elfman can hit that hard.

I think Gray is pretty obviously above Elfman's tier, but fair enough I guess.
 

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Casual Gray is ass however bloodlusted gray is easily laxus-gildarts tier for no diffing invel, Bloodlusted gray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elfman
 

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Lol wut. Gray had access to his demon powers and stats just not ice. He got hurt by attacks far weaker than Lucy's Mix Dress. Off screen means absolutely nothing, the intent is all that matters and by intent, Elfman is strong enough to hurt Madmole. This has nothing to do with being controversial, but okay lol.
Gray only got injured before activating his Devil Slayer power and that was because he was not using ice, when he activated his power the Rajinshuu did absolutely nothing to Gray, and adds that Gray didn't want to hurt them, he even stayed to take care of them, after of beating them, and Elfman was so quickly taken down off-screen that he didn't even get to be mentioned because of how irrelevant he had been by the logic of that off-screen fight.

You only want to be controversial because you are the only one who is writing this.
 
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