Group Group D Battle Royale

[~Charging Lightning~]

Because TO Chelia with a slayer advanatge soloed a restricted Di Maria, while a restricted Natsu received help from Lucy, Leo, Marin and Makarov to defeat a restricted Jacob.

Just like a nerfed Laxus needed help from Freed's spell and Jellal recieved help from Kagura.

Fixed for you.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Because TO Chelia soloed a restricted Di Maria, while Natsu needed help from Lucy, Leo, Marin and Makarov to defeat a restricted Jacob.

Just like Laxus needed help from Freed's spell and Jellal needed Kagura.



For the last time:

Transport is part of Jacob's magic and in a fight both opponents may use their magic without any restrictions.



We all know PoF is the ultimate power-up to win from overpowered opponents.

Erza didn't use PoF against Ajeel. Erza would've lost against Kyôka if she didn't receive a PoF power-up, which is a fact because Erza was chanceless against Kyôka before that.

Laxus tanked almost every spell that Wahl used against him. Etherion does take time to cast, Kyôka will crush him before that.



1). I said Juvia would oneshot Ajeel in a battle royale, once he doesn't pay attention.

2). I said Ajeel is fodder compared to the other Spriggans.

Anyway, going off-topic now.

I'm trying to understand your dislike of Natsu, truly. Your dissecting Natsu constantly. I agree with you on many things, but in this you are just plain wrong. Natsu is most definitly Spriggan tier at this point in the story.

He's shown plenty of feats to back this.

 

[Arjuna]

Let us understand Natsu's powerlevel by comparing him with God Serena.

Take a look at the purgatory dragon spell and compare it to the Flame Dragon King Roar Natsu used in chapter 463.

Spoiler: Purgatory Dragon's Infernal Hell

Spoiler: Flame Dragon King's Roar

Comparing those, its pretty clear that Flame Dragon King's Roar is much more powerful due to both AOE and Destructive capacity.A whole landscape disappeared due to his attack.There is none in this battle royale who can take more than one attack of this kind.
2)Just because Jacob,Neinhart and Wahl lost to Natsu,Jellal and laxus respectively we shouldn't underestimate them.They all lost to high tier Spriggan level Mages.And surely Wahl's armour is stronger than pre-timeskip Erza Amadura Armour.It took many hits from laxus and surely laxus's attacks are stronger than Kyoka's.His Fire Attack grazed past through laxus's shoulder injuring him.So no way Kyoka is surviving this.
3)Erza had defeated Kyoka without any outside powerup or interference.However POF that may be the fact remains that she soloed Kyoka.Moreover current injured Erza was able to put up with Kyoka,Azuma and Ikaruga at the same time.So we can understand Kyoka's MP.

 

[Shoutmon]

Let us understand Natsu's powerlevel by comparing him with God Serena.

Take a look at the purgatory dragon spell and compare it to the Flame Dragon King Roar Natsu used in chapter 463.

Spoiler: Purgatory Dragon's Infernal Hell

Spoiler: Flame Dragon King's Roar

Comparing those, its pretty clear that Flame Dragon King's Roar is much more powerful due to both AOE and Destructive capacity.A whole landscape disappeared due to his attack.There is none in this battle royale who can take more than one attack of this kind.
2)Just because Jacob,Neinhart and Wahl lost to Natsu,Jellal and laxus respectively we shouldn't underestimate them.They all lost to high tier Spriggan level Mages.And surely Wahl's armour is stronger than pre-timeskip Erza Amadura Armour.It took many hits from laxus and surely laxus's attacks are stronger than Kyoka's.His Fire Attack grazed past through laxus's shoulder injuring him.So no way Kyoka is surviving this.
3)Erza had defeated Kyoka without any outside powerup or interference.However POF that may be the fact remains that she soloed Kyoka.Moreover current injured Erza was able to put up with Kyoka,Azuma and Ikaruga at the same time.So we can understand Kyoka's MP.

That BDK Roar still manages to impress me to this day, otherwise good post

 

[Nemispelled]

Ok guys, I don't know why we are all talking about Natsu.

Lol, seriously guys, this is the Group Stages for Mavis' sake.... Natsu's not gonna get out here, we all know that. So save your Natsu logic (not meaning it in an offensive way, so chill) for later on in the tournament.

We all know Natsu's a given, and even if he isn't, he is probably gonna pass this stage with the highest number of votes.

Just look at everybody else in this group, half of them won't even pass.




Therefore, what's more important in the group stages, is to discuss about those that are likely, but may not pass. At least, that's in my honest opinion.


We know Natsu and Gray is going to pass. (By the way, if you seriously didn't vote for either of those two, you must seriously be biased).

I'm not joking, if you didn't vote for Natsu or Gray, you have officially deemed this tournament, Fairy Tail Favorite Character Contest.

I voted for both since I've been voting fairly this entire tournament. I analyze each character's skills and abilities and have made my decision without bias.

For the sake of this tournament, everyone should do the same.




So that means, even if you think Gray is a fag, then you still vote for him when it is obvious.



Regardless, I think the main focus should be Kyoka, Chelia, and Wahl.



I don't want another bs poll where somebody wins (like Gajeel did), where we had no proof but only hype (and to make it worse, no discussions were made about him).

People here say Gray has shown nothing so far, but neither had Gajeel. So please, if you use the same treatment on one character, then use the same treatment on all characters, no bias.

And after the recent spoilers, Gajeel is getting his ass kicked after he just bragged about having 6 Monsters on their side.





So, imo, I have chosen Kyoka and Chelia, but I'm still having my mind open to Wahl if anybody can convince me.


After taking a closer look, I honestly don't believe Wahl can make it to the next round. Once Kyoka drains his energy, he has nothing going for him, because he relies solely on that attribute.

He has no intelligence and his focus is such a narrow margin that I don't think he would fare well in an all out battle royale like this.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ok guys, I don't know why we are all talking about Natsu.

Lol, seriously guys, this is the Group Stages for Mavis' sake.... Natsu's not gonna get out here, we all know that. So save your Natsu logic (not meaning it in an offensive way, so chill) for later on in the tournament.

We all know Natsu's a given, and even if he isn't, he is probably gonna pass this stage with the highest number of votes.

Just look at everybody else in this group, half of them won't even pass.




Therefore, what's more important in the group stages, is to discuss about those that are likely, but may not pass. At least, that's in my honest opinion.


We know Natsu and Gray is going to pass. (By the way, if you seriously didn't vote for either of those two, you must seriously be biased).

I'm not joking, if you didn't vote for Natsu or Gray, you have officially deemed this tournament, Fairy Tail Favorite Character Contest.

I voted for both since I've been voting fairly this entire tournament. I analyze each character's skills and abilities and have made my decision without bias.

For the sake of this tournament, everyone should do the same.




So that means, even if you think Gray is fag, then you still vote for him when it is obvious.



Regardless, I think the main focus should be Kyoka, Chelia, and Wahl.



I don't want another bs poll where somebody wins (like Gajeel did), where we had no proof but only hype (and to make it worse, no discussions were made about him).

People here say Gray has shown nothing so far, but neither had Gajeel. So please, if you use the same treatment on one character, then use the same treatment on all characters, no bias.

And after the recent spoilers, Gajeel is getting his ass kicked after he just bragged about having 6 Monsters on their side.





So, imo, I have chosen Kyoka and Chelia, but I'm still having my mind open to Wahl if anybody can convince me.


After taking a closer look, I honestly don't believe Wahl can make it to the next round. Once Kyoka drains his energy, he has nothing going for him, because he relies solely on that attribute.

He has no intelligence and his focus is such a narrow margin that I don't think he would fare well in an all out battle royale like this.

Whal can cancel out both those girls magic, did that convince you?

 

[Nemispelled]

Whal can cancel out both those girls magic, did that convince you?

How does he cancel out both of those girls' magic?

 

[Pirate Queen]

How does he cancel out both of those girls' magic?

He can cancel out curses
He can cancel out Wind magic
His Weakness magic cancels out everything. Only reason Laxus won was because of an ass pull. There is no was to legite beat him.

Neither of those girls can withstand his antimagic cannon. He sniped Fairy Tail from 400 km away. Neither of those girls have done anything close to such an impressive skill

 

[Nemispelled]

He can cancel out curses
He can cancel out Wind magic
His Weakness magic cancels out everything. Only reason Laxus won was because of an ass pull. There is no was to legite beat him.

Neither of those girls can withstand his antimagic cannon. He sniped Fairy Tail from 400 km away. Neither of those girls have done anything close to such an impressive skill

Wait what? Since when can he cancel out magic?

That's not what his weakness magic is. He can create barriers that will hinder your magic. But it's not that hard to bypass that. Any character with decent intelligence and skill can defeat Wahl even if he uses Weakness magic.


I don't even know of anywhere Wahl could cancel out another person's magic. That's overexaggerating it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Wait what? Since when can he cancel out magic?

That's not what his weakness magic is. He can create barriers that will hinder your magic. But it's not that hard to bypass that. Any character with decent intelligence and skill can defeat Wahl even if he uses Weakness magic.


I don't know of any even where Wahl could cancel out another person's magic. That's overexaggerating it.

He cancels out Mira Jane's Macro[a curse] when fighting in Magnolia
He cancels out Grey's Ice
He uses speed to cancel out Elfmans strength and he uses power to cancel out Lisannes speed.
He was immune to laxus's lightning

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He can counter any type of magic.
Kyokas curse would have no effect on him and thats it for her
Cheila is more versitile but still bound by one type of magic which is wind

 

[BluePegasus]

Seems like I got a lot replies on my opinion of Natsu's power level compared to other Spriggans. Calm down, we all know Natsu will be in the finals this tournament thanks to his many fans.

Anyway:

Again: In a discussion about how Natsu's attacks stacks up against other opponents, transport is meaningless. Simply put, the reason why Natsu couldn't solo Jacob isn't because he doesn't have the power to deal enough damage to knock out a Spriggan, it's because Jacob can avoid fighting him by teleporting his away. We're not talking about how hard it is for Natsu to stop Jacob teleporting him away. Nobody in this match even has that ability, so it's not like it has any relevance. We're talking about Natsu's attack power and whether or not he can knock out the people in this match-up. Saying that Natsu's attacks are not Spriggan-tier because he has no way to stop Jacob from teleporting him is completely missing the question. The two literally has nothing to do with each other. At the end of the day, if Natsu lands a solid blow on Jacob it would knock him out. Jacob has magical power of a Spriggan 12, and his durability should scale accordingly. The only people on this list that will avoid getting oneshotted are either the Spriggans, or people who have beaten Spriggans.

Pretty much all the main characters use PoF in every serious fight in this series. To suggest that Erza only used PoF exclusively for Kyouka is ridiculous. You're basically trying to say that Erza became an Acnologia tier exclusively to fight Kyouka for 1 time in this series, and never once before or after. The amount of special pleading in that statement is unreal. Erza wouldn't be on Acnologia's level even if she used PoF. She definitely had PoF on tenrou island, and Acnologia owned her and then some.

You said Juvia would kill Ajeel, which she won't. The fact you say that Ajeel is a fodder among the Spriggans is completely relevant. Erza admitted that Ajeel was stronger than any opponent she has faced before. If you call Ajeel a fodder among Spriggans, then Kyouka is a fodder among Spriggans. Guess who is a Spriggan? Wahl. According to you, Wahl should fodderize a Spriggan like Ajeel. According to Erza, Ajeel is stronger than Kyouka. Put 2 and 2 together, and Wahl should fodderize Kyouka. Natrsu and Chelia can take out Spriggans in a single clean shot. They should have no problem taking out Kyouka with a single clean shot.

It wouldn't even take Etherion to put down Kyouka. Any attack from Assault Mode should outclass Erza's slashes.

I have a question: Do you think Natsu could solo an unrestricted Jacob? No. Try to face it that Jacob can win a battle thanks to Transport. What you're saying is that Natsu would defeat a restricted Jacob, which is not fair.

Natsu could be low Spriggan tier at most, since he probably could extreme high diff Spriggan fodder Ajeel with FDKM. He'll lose to any other Spriggan.

Erza always wins her fights thanks to PoF. Kyôka can defeat Base Erza and Azuma could defeat Base Erza. In fact, this is already shown.

She only used PoF against Azuma, not against Acnologia.

The only one who uses PoF besides Erza is Natsu. He doesn't use it as much as her, though.

Both Ajeel and Kyôka are stronger than Erza. Etherious Kyôka will grow stronger than Spriggan low tier at some point in this battle. Her Enhancement Curse is unlimited.

But it's pretty obvious that fdkm Natsu could've soloed a restricted Jacob, I mean, he was burning up from just being near Natsu and Demolition Fist obviously did the most damage by a huge margin.

Jacob wasn't invisible once Natsu attacked him. Natsu would never track down Jacob.

Fixed for you.

I see.

I'm trying to understand your dislike of Natsu, truly. Your dissecting Natsu constantly. I agree with you on many things, but in this you are just plain wrong. Natsu is most definitly Spriggan tier at this point in the story.

He's shown plenty of feats to back this.

Natsu is overrated as hell. I'm trying to be realistic. You can't become stronger than the strongest mages thanks to one year of training.

 

[Nemispelled]

He cancels out Mira Jane's Macro[a curse] when fighting in Magnolia
He cancels out Grey's Ice
He uses speed to cancel out Elfmans strength and he uses power to cancel out Lisannes speed.
He was immune to laxus's lightning

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He can counter any type of magic.
Kyokas curse would have no effect on him and thats it for her
Cheila is more versitile but still bound by one type of magic which is wind

I don't see anywhere, where he cancels out their magic. Again, he created Weakness soldiers, but those soldiers can be defeated without the use of magic from characters like Gray and Mira.

Not only that, those soldiers simply exploit your weakness, they don't cancel out your magic.

Wahl's weakness magic doesn't cancel out any magic, he might make it harder to defeat him, but not impossible.

Again, that is overexaggerating.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't see anywhere, where he cancels out their magic. Again, he created Weakness soldiers, but those soldiers can be defeated without the use of magic from characters like Gray and Mira.

Not only that, those soldiers simply exploit your weakness, they don't cancel out your magic.

Wahl's weakness magic doesn't cancel out any magic, he might make it harder to defeat him, but not impossible.

Again, that is overexaggerating.

Okay. Then in a hypothetical one versus one match? Please humor me.
Wahl vs Kyoka, now it was shown that he is immune to Demon Curses... With his versitility, how would she beat him? She isnt much of a powerhouse...

Wahl vs Chiela, now he creates an anti-wind machine that can counter her wind or better yet, he make 10 machines that can counter her wind. God slayer magic gives her no boost in this fight so how does she respond?

What do these 2 have in their arsenal that can damage wahl?

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Seems like I got a lot replies on my opinion of Natsu's power level compared to other Spriggans. Calm down, we all know Natsu will be in the finals this tournament thanks to his many fans.

Anyway:



I have a question: Do you think Natsu could solo an unrestricted Jacob? No. Try to face it that Jacob can win a battle thanks to Transport. What you're saying is that Natsu would defeat a restricted Jacob, which is not fair.

Natsu could be low Spriggan tier at most, since he probably could extreme high diff Spriggan fodder Ajeel with FDKM. He'll lose to any other Spriggan.

Erza always wins her fights thanks to PoF. Kyôka can defeat Base Erza and Azuma could defeat Base Erza. In fact, this is already shown.

She only used PoF against Azuma, not against Acnologia.

The only one who uses PoF besides Erza is Natsu. He doesn't use it as much as her, though.

Both Ajeel and Kyôka are stronger than Erza. Etherious Kyôka will grow stronger than Spriggan low tier at some point in this battle. Her Enhancement Curse is unlimited.



Jacob wasn't invisible once Natsu attacked him. Natsu would never track down Jacob.



I see.



Natsu is overrated as hell. I'm trying to be realistic. You can't become stronger than the strongest mages thanks to one year of training.

Im trying to understand how hes overrated but i just cant. So what, its been a year. We've seen the results of his training and he's beast. He's soloing gods, wiping out armies, and drying up lakes. What your writing is pure biased. Your problem is he can't be stronger than Spriggans after only a year of training but its Spriggan level when you get a TO power boost and take out a spriggan? Your logic is very flawed

 

[Shoutmon]

Seems like I got a lot replies on my opinion of Natsu's power level compared to other Spriggans. Calm down, we all know Natsu will be in the finals this tournament thanks to his many fans.

I'm pretty sure he'll be in the finals due to him being so powerful.

Jacob wasn't invisible once Natsu attacked him. Natsu would never track down Jacob.

That doesn't matter, Jacob wouldn't be able to get near Natsu due to his body heat and all of his weapons would melt as well.It would just be a matter of time before Jacob collapses from the heat.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'm pretty sure he'll be in the finals due to him being so powerful.


That doesn't matter, Jacob wouldn't be able to get near Natsu due to his body heat and all of his weapons would melt as well.It would just be a matter of time before Jacob collapses from the heat.

This!!!!!!! Thank you lol nice response. He is one of the very very few that dont give Natsu crdit where its due

 

[Axiomus]

I have a question: Do you think Natsu could solo an unrestricted Jacob? No. Try to face it that Jacob can win a battle thanks to Transport. What you're saying is that Natsu would defeat a restricted Jacob, which is not fair.

Natsu could be low Spriggan tier at most, since he probably could extreme high diff Spriggan fodder Ajeel with FDKM. He'll lose to any other Spriggan.

Erza always wins her fights thanks to PoF. Kyôka can defeat Base Erza and Azuma could defeat Base Erza. In fact, this is already shown.

She only used PoF against Azuma, not against Acnologia.

The only one who uses PoF besides Erza is Natsu. He doesn't use it as much as her, though.

Both Ajeel and Kyôka are stronger than Erza. Etherious Kyôka will grow stronger than Spriggan low tier at some point in this battle. Her Enhancement Curse is unlimited.

I've answered your question multiple times: Jacob can beat Natsu by clapping. That's irrelevant. What matters is the fact that Natsu's attack power can knock out Jacob. If Natsu throws a demelition fist it's taking out anyone in this match that is weaker than Jacob. That would be everyone that is not a Spriggan, or hasn't beaten a Spriggan. Natsu's attacks are comparable to God Serena's or Laxus's. He has knocked out opponents stronger than God Serena's has (Jacob > GoI), and his AoE is larger. It's also pretty obvious to figure out that Natsu's growth over the timeskip outclassed Erza's. Demolition Fist was a fairly casual attack, whereas Nakagami seems to be Erza's all out attack. Natsu's casual roar can oneshot Bluenote, who is a Jura-level mage and Ace of Grimoire Heart. Erza couldn't oneshot Azuma with nearly the same ease as Natsu did Bluenote.

Erza definitely used PoF against Acnologia. Mavis even said that she converted everyone's feelings to fuel Fairy Heart. Erza is stronger than Kyouka. That's why Erza beat Kyouka in a 1v1, and this was Tartarus level Erza. Ajeel was stronger than current Erza, and Erza required outside assistance as well as nakagami armor to beat him. More importantly, Ajeel is stronger than Kyouka. This was stated multiple times by Erza, who has fought both, and by Mashima, who has stated that the Spriggans are the strongest opponents Fariy Tail has ever faced. If you say Ajeel is a fodder compared to the Spriggans, then Kyouka is a fodder compared to the Spriggans. Guess who is a Spriggan? Wahl and Neinhart. Guess who can knock out Spriggans in a clean hit? Natsu and Chelia.

No amount of PoF puts anyone close to Acnologia's level, and it takes nowhere near Acnologia's level of power to take out Kyouka. Kyouka would be eliminated in battle way before she ever reaches the point where she becomes stronger than Erza, let alone stronger than any Spriggan.

 

[Nemispelled]

Okay. Then in a hypothetical one versus one match? Please humor me.
Wahl vs Kyoka, now it was shown that he is immune to Demon Curses... With his versitility, how would she beat him? She isnt much of a powerhouse...

Wahl vs Chiela, now he creates an anti-wind machine that can counter her wind or better yet, he make 10 machines that can counter her wind. God slayer magic gives her no boost in this fight so how does she respond?

What do these 2 have in their arsenal that can damage wahl?

Sure, I will accept that one vs. one match betwen Kyoka and Wahl.

Where was it stated that Wahl is immune to Demon Curses?? I have never heard of such thing. Demon Curses affected all of Fairy Tail's members including its S-Classes like Erza.


I can give Wahl versitility, but how will his versitility by itself beat Kyoka?

As for how Kyoka can beat him, I don't know what you mean by powerhouse. Powerhouse like Laxus and Gildartz? No. Powerhouse like Erza? Sure.


If you read my post a few pages back, I outlined Kyoka's skills and abilities. First off, she uses her mind. She knows how to exploit her opponents' real weaknesses unlike Wahl.

She showed intelligence when she tricked Crawford Seam about Face and figured out a bypass to Face's operating system.



Second, she is not weak.... She broke through Erza's Armadura bare-handed, a feat that most of FT's enemies couldn't show.



Third, Kyoka uses Absorption Curse, just like Franmalth. She can drain Wahl's energy and absorb it for herself. Without power, Wahl is useless, he has no intelligence to make up for it.

He'd be as weak as a pile of scrap metal and circuits and as dumb as a goldfish in a bowl.



Unless you can find me proof about Wahl being immune to Demon Curses and canceling out all magic, I will not be convinced.








As for Chelia, you are under misconception. While it is true that Wahl can summon Weakness soldiers, Wahl isn't invincible.

You don't understand Wahl's magic.


He can create soldier types opposite of the character's magic. For example, since Chelia is wind, he can create a rock-using machia to fight her.

But he CANNOT create Anti-Wind Soldiers. So Third Origin Chelia using her Secret Arts should be enough to blow Wahl to pieces. Wahl's defense isn't admirable.

 

[BluePegasus]

She isnt much of a powerhouse...

You're joking right? Because I find it pretty funny you say Kyôka isn't 'much of a powerhouse'. Please.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You're joking right? Because I find it pretty funny you say Kyôka isn't 'much of a powerhouse'. Please.

You are correct. When i said powerhouse i meant physically stronger than wahl in this instance. She is a powerhouse, thanks for catching that

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Sure, I will accept that one vs. one match betwen Kyoka and Wahl.

Where was it stated that Wahl is immune to Demon Curses?? I have never heard of such thing. Demon Curses affected all of Fairy Tail's members including its S-Classes like Erza.


I can give Wahl versitility, but how will his versitility by itself beat Kyoka?

As for how Kyoka can beat him, I don't know what you mean by powerhouse. Powerhouse like Laxus and Gildartz? No. Powerhouse like Erza? Sure.


If you read my post a few pages back, I outlined Kyoka's skills and abilities. First off, she uses her mind. She knows how to exploit her opponents' real weaknesses unlike Wahl.

She showed intelligence when she tricked Crawford Seam about Face and figured out a bypass to Face's operating system.



Second, she is not weak.... She broke through Erza's Armadura bare-handed, a feat that most of FT's enemies couldn't show.



Third, Kyoka uses Absorption Curse, just like Franmalth. She can drain Wahl's energy and absorb it for herself. Without power, Wahl is useless, he has no intelligence to make up for it.

He'd be as weak as a pile of scrap metal and circuits and as dumb as a goldfish in a bowl.



Unless you can find me proof about Wahl being immune to Demon Curses and canceling out all magic, I will not be convinced.








As for Chelia, you are under misconception. While it is true that Wahl can summon Weakness soldiers, Wahl isn't invincible.

You don't understand Wahl's magic.


He can create soldier types opposite of the character's magic. For example, since Chelia is wind, he can create a rock-using machia to fight her.

But he CANNOT create Anti-Wind Soldiers. So Third Origin Chelia using her Secret Arts should be enough to blow Wahl to pieces. Wahl's defense isn't admirable.

Mira Jane's curse didnt work on him. Thats proof that curses dont work on him. Im not making it up.

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Sure, I will accept that one vs. one match betwen Kyoka and Wahl.

Where was it stated that Wahl is immune to Demon Curses?? I have never heard of such thing. Demon Curses affected all of Fairy Tail's members including its S-Classes like Erza.


I can give Wahl versitility, but how will his versitility by itself beat Kyoka?

As for how Kyoka can beat him, I don't know what you mean by powerhouse. Powerhouse like Laxus and Gildartz? No. Powerhouse like Erza? Sure.


If you read my post a few pages back, I outlined Kyoka's skills and abilities. First off, she uses her mind. She knows how to exploit her opponents' real weaknesses unlike Wahl.

She showed intelligence when she tricked Crawford Seam about Face and figured out a bypass to Face's operating system.



Second, she is not weak.... She broke through Erza's Armadura bare-handed, a feat that most of FT's enemies couldn't show.



Third, Kyoka uses Absorption Curse, just like Franmalth. She can drain Wahl's energy and absorb it for herself. Without power, Wahl is useless, he has no intelligence to make up for it.

He'd be as weak as a pile of scrap metal and circuits and as dumb as a goldfish in a bowl.



Unless you can find me proof about Wahl being immune to Demon Curses and canceling out all magic, I will not be convinced.








As for Chelia, you are under misconception. While it is true that Wahl can summon Weakness soldiers, Wahl isn't invincible.

You don't understand Wahl's magic.


He can create soldier types opposite of the character's magic. For example, since Chelia is wind, he can create a rock-using machia to fight her.

But he CANNOT create Anti-Wind Soldiers. So Third Origin Chelia using her Secret Arts should be enough to blow Wahl to pieces. Wahl's defense isn't admirable.

TO Chelia does not have the added benefit of facing a god. Wahl isn't a god.

I hope your not getting upset. You told us to try and convince you and i am. I understand Wahl's magic very well, but i must just not be using the correct wording. Ill correct myself from now on

 

[Axiomus]

Sure, I will accept that one vs. one match betwen Kyoka and Wahl.

Where was it stated that Wahl is immune to Demon Curses?? I have never heard of such thing. Demon Curses affected all of Fairy Tail's members including its S-Classes like Erza.


I can give Wahl versitility, but how will his versitility by itself beat Kyoka?

As for how Kyoka can beat him, I don't know what you mean by powerhouse. Powerhouse like Laxus and Gildartz? No. Powerhouse like Erza? Sure.


If you read my post a few pages back, I outlined Kyoka's skills and abilities. First off, she uses her mind. She knows how to exploit her opponents' real weaknesses unlike Wahl.

She showed intelligence when she tricked Crawford Seam about Face and figured out a bypass to Face's operating system.



Second, she is not weak.... She broke through Erza's Armadura bare-handed, a feat that most of FT's enemies couldn't show.



Third, Kyoka uses Absorption Curse, just like Franmalth. She can drain Wahl's energy and absorb it for herself. Without power, Wahl is useless, he has no intelligence to make up for it.

He'd be as weak as a pile of scrap metal and circuits and as dumb as a goldfish in a bowl.



Unless you can find me proof about Wahl being immune to Demon Curses and canceling out all magic, I will not be convinced.








As for Chelia, you are under misconception. While it is true that Wahl can summon Weakness soldiers, Wahl isn't invincible.

You don't understand Wahl's magic.


He can create soldier types opposite of the character's magic. For example, since Chelia is wind, he can create a rock-using machia to fight her.

But he CANNOT create Anti-Wind Soldiers. So Third Origin Chelia using her Secret Arts should be enough to blow Wahl to pieces. Wahl's defense isn't admirable.

Wahl is not human. He's a robot. He doesn't have biological senses like you and I have. He has machinery. If Kyouka's curse can make machinery stop working, then fine. However, Wahl also has the ability to reconfigure himself. He can re-arrange his face. All has to do is create another set of optics or something.

Kyouka would die if she merges with too much magical power. Wahl has more magical power than Kyouka has curse power.