Politics Hamas-Israel conflict

[redcometfm]

I have plenty of humanitarian concern for Gaza. I just have no care for its sadistic government, Hamas. I want them removed so that way Palestine can prosper and all this conflict bullshit can finally end.

 

[Akasunanosasori]

You've failed to see the point of my post. The people who keep voting for the politicians who favour this line of action do so because Hamas is perceived as a threat. If Hamas offers no threat such action would not find favour. Take a bit of time, switch your forum view to 40 posts per page and read back. I pointed out that this is only happening in Gaza, not on the West Bank. Because Fatah and Israel both believe they can find a political solution.
The thing is when the more moderate Arab states have tried to get Hamas into the political process Hamas have rebuffed their approaches. One Hamas representative laughed on the BBC when asked about reconciling with Fatah.

Well i have to agree with the fact is refusing to find a political solution.

Explain to me how you would deal with someone who denies your right to exist and insists on wiping you off the face of the earth Akasunanosasori. I'd be interested to hear how you'd cope in the situation Israel find themselves in. Once again note that it is only the Gaza Strip that is under attack. The area is the source of rocket attacks on Israel. Not the West Bank. Because there are no missiles coming from there.

Well i'll explain that when u explain to me how would u feel if someone keeps killing ur ppl and destroying all ur important and basic buildings electricity tours, schools, hospitales...
how on earth would u like them to wish or belive a word of what israelian says ??
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And thank you Akainu. I completely forgot that Morocco have been waging war against the poor, innocent, defenceless people of Western Sahara for over 30 years. Got to feel sorry for Western Sahara. Seems at one point Morocco was happy to take only part of the territory, then go for all of it when Mauritania decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Do the words pot, kettle and black hold any meaning for you?

And excuse me ??
u are missing the point here ur talking bout polisarion wich is not a moroccan army we are fighting polisario n we got our land back by peace.

The Green March was a well-publicized popular march of enormous proportions. On November 6, 1975, approximately 350,000 unarmed Moroccans[1] converged on the city of Tarfaya in southern Morocco and waited for a signal from King Hassan II to cross into Western Sahara. They brandished Moroccan flags, banners calling for the "return of the Moroccan Sahara," photographs of the King and the Qur'an; the color green for the march's name was intended as a symbol of Islam. As the marchers reached the border Spanish troops were ordered not to fire to avoid bloodshed.
In order to prepare the terrain and to riposte to any potential counter-invasion from Algeria, the Moroccan Army entered the northeast of the region where it met with sporadic resistance from the Polisario, by then a two-year-old independence movement.

 

[NaruJunky]

Hi everyone. I'm living in Ashdod. one of the bombarded cities of Israel by Hamas.

I was browsing Mangahelpers on the previous week when I saw that Naruto chapter 430 got out. I was very exited to see Naruto in his new cape. I was on page 3 of the chapter when we heard a siren. I called my mother and we stood in the center of our apartment hoping that the rocket won't hit our home. 45 seconds after the siren started we started to hear a terible whistle... we new it was the rocket coming closer... the whistle was geting stronger and stronger and then there was the most teribble explosion I have ever heard in my entire life, and our apartment was shaking like there was a strong earthquake. I was both scared and in shock, in my weekly dose of Naruto they dared to sent missiles on us the rocket was under our window and it killed two people in their 30's. one of them was a mother to 3 children.
The whole neighborhood went out of their homes searching for the place where the rocket hit. I preferred to get back to reading the new Naruto 430 that just got out but before I got the end of the chapter the electricity in my entire neighborhood got disconnected

Hamas is a terrorist group. What would you expect of the government in your country if the city that your living in, the 4th largest city in population, was suddenly being bombarded by a terrorist group?

Israelis are people that strive for peace. But when our civilian population is being attacked by terrorist Muslim fundamentalists we have to retaliate!

The Israeli army is targeting Hamas terrorists only! but Hamas is hiding behind Palestinian kids and families holding their own civilian population hostage!

When Palestinian civilians is hurt they are transfered to Israel to get medical treatment by Israelis. Israel is sending humanitarian aid, tons of medicines and food. but Hamas always tries to prevent their own population of getting medical treatment! instead they try to get as many civilian casualties so they can influence the international viewers! Don't forget that Hamas is the terrorist group that raises their own children to become suicide bombers!!!! It's NOT the Palestinian government! Hamas is the root of evil!

The world should be afraid of Muslim fundamentalism as they raise they children to commit a suicide bombing. I used to believe in the kindness of human hearts in every human being but when I saw a mother in Hamas raising her child to one day commit a suicide my views have changed forever

 

[Dhazard]

 

[thsv]

Hi everyone. I'm living in Ashdod. one of the bombarded cities of Israel by Hamas.

I was browsing Mangahelpers on the previous week when I saw that Naruto chapter 430 got out. I was very exited to see Naruto in his new cape. I was on page 3 of the chapter when we heard a siren. I called my mother and we stood in the center of our apartment hoping that the rocket won't hit our home. 45 seconds after the siren started we started to hear a terible whistle... we new it was the rocket coming closer... the whistle was geting stronger and stronger and then there was the most teribble explosion I have ever heard in my entire life, and our apartment was shaking like there was a strong earthquake. I was both scared and in shock, in my weekly dose of Naruto they dared to sent missiles on us the rocket was under our window and it killed two people in their 30's. one of them was a mother to 3 children.
The whole neighborhood went out of their homes searching for the place where the rocket hit. I preferred to get back to reading the new Naruto 430 that just got out but before I got the end of the chapter the electricity in my entire neighborhood got disconnected

Hamas is a terrorist group. What would you expect of the government in your country if the city that your living in, the 4th largest city in population, was suddenly being bombarded by a terrorist group?

Israelis are people that strive for peace. But when our civilian population is being attacked by terrorist Muslim fundamentalists we have to retaliate!

The Israeli army is targeting Hamas terrorists only! but Hamas is hiding behind Palestinian kids and families holding their own civilian population hostage!

When Palestinian civilians is hurt they are transfered to Israel to get medical treatment by Israelis. Israel is sending humanitarian aid, tons of medicines and food. but Hamas always tries to prevent their own population of getting medical treatment! instead they try to get as many civilian casualties so they can influence the international viewers! Don't forget that Hamas is the terrorist group that raises their own children to become suicide bombers!!!! It's NOT the Palestinian government! Hamas is the root of evil!

The world should be afraid of Muslim fundamentalism as they raise they children to commit a suicide bombing. I used to believe in the kindness of human hearts in every human being but when I saw a mother in Hamas raising her child to one day commit a suicide my views have changed forever

Any religious fundamentalism should be feared and fought.

 

[Akasunanosasori]

Hi everyone. I'm living in Ashdod. one of the bombarded cities of Israel by Hamas.

I was browsing Mangahelpers on the previous week when I saw that Naruto chapter 430 got out. I was very exited to see Naruto in his new cape. I was on page 3 of the chapter when we heard a siren. I called my mother and we stood in the center of our apartment hoping that the rocket won't hit our home. 45 seconds after the siren started we started to hear a terible whistle... we new it was the rocket coming closer... the whistle was geting stronger and stronger and then there was the most teribble explosion I have ever heard in my entire life, and our apartment was shaking like there was a strong earthquake. I was both scared and in shock, in my weekly dose of Naruto they dared to sent missiles on us the rocket was under our window and it killed two people in their 30's. one of them was a mother to 3 children.
The whole neighborhood went out of their homes searching for the place where the rocket hit. I preferred to get back to reading the new Naruto 430 that just got out but before I got the end of the chapter the electricity in my entire neighborhood got disconnected

Hamas is a terrorist group. What would you expect of the government in your country if the city that your living in, the 4th largest city in population, was suddenly being bombarded by a terrorist group?

Israelis are people that strive for peace. But when our civilian population is being attacked by terrorist Muslim fundamentalists we have to retaliate!

The Israeli army is targeting Hamas terrorists only! but Hamas is hiding behind Palestinian kids and families holding their own civilian population hostage!

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When Palestinian civilians is hurt they are transfered to Israel to get medical treatment by Israelis. Israel is sending humanitarian aid, tons of medicines and food. but Hamas always tries to prevent their own population of getting medical treatment! instead they try to get as many civilian casualties so they can influence the international viewers! Don't forget that Hamas is the terrorist group that raises their own children to become suicide bombers!!!! It's NOT the Palestinian government! Hamas is the root of evil!

LMAO read this : http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/makdisi

The world should be afraid of Muslim fundamentalism as they raise they children to commit a suicide bombing. I used to believe in the kindness of human hearts in every human being but when I saw a mother in Hamas raising her child to one day commit a suicide my views have changed forever

This is how u felt when ur area was attacked by a kassam rocket (4 kg of bombarding practicles) can u i magine how palestinian feel when f16 fighters are around their houses, can u tell me how they feel when ur ppl throw forbidden bombs that deform their body shape for ever(Cluster bombs, White phosphorus...), can u tell me how they feel when they loose their schools n hospitales, n can u tell me why ur army attack ambulances ?

 

[Dhazard]

Well, there is a professor in Israel that disagree with this whole action. He says that it is just a way of showing that Israel's government, after being accused of corruption, is doing something, or rather, trying to deviate from the real political crisis Israel is going through... He also says, though he is criticized bc of his opinions, there is freedom of speech in his country.
Btw, about the poll I posted: I wish the resolution'd be that easy; unfortunately, it isn't.
Sorry 'bout my English.
Article under Spoiler tag

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The dire cost of domestic rivalries
Israel seems more concerned with electoral politics and restoring its military reputation than stopping the Qassam rockets
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* Neve Gordon
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o Neve Gordon
o guardian.co.uk, Monday 29 December 2008 13.00 GMT
o Article history

The first bombardment took three minutes and 40 seconds. Sixty Israeli F-16 fighter jets bombed 50 sites in Gaza, killing more than 200 Palestinians, and wounding close to 1,000 more.

A few hours after the deadly strike, Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert convened a press conference in Tel-Aviv. With foreign minister Tzipi Livni sitting on his right and defence minister Ehud Barak on his left, he declared: "It may take time, and each and every one of us must be patient so we can complete the mission."

But what exactly, one might ask, is Israel's mission?

Although Olmert did not say as much, the "mission" includes four distinct objectives.

The first is the destruction of Hamas, a totally unrealistic goal. Even though the loss of hundreds of cadres and some key leaders will no doubt hurt the organisation, Hamas is a robust political movement with widespread grassroots support, and it is unlikely to surrender or capitulate to Israeli demands following a military assault. Ironically, Israel's attempt to destroy Hamas using military force has always ended up strengthening the organisation, thus corroborating the notion that power produces its own vulnerability.

The second objective has to do with Israel's coming elections. The assault on Gaza is also being carried out to help Kadima and Labour defeat Likud and its leader Binyamin Netanyahu, who is currently ahead in the polls. It is not coincidental that Netanyahu's two main competitors, Livni and Barak, were invited to the press conference – since, after the assault, it will be more difficult for Netanyahu to characterise them as "soft" on the Palestinians. Whether or not the devastation in Gaza will help Livni defeat Netanyahu or help Barak gain votes in the February elections is difficult to say, but the strategy of competing with a warmonger like Netanyahu by beating the drums of war says a great deal about all three major contenders.

The third objective involves the Israeli military. After its notable humiliation in Lebanon during the summer of 2006, the IDF has been looking for opportunities to re-establish its global standing. Last spring it used Syria as its laboratory and now it has decided to focus on Gaza. Emphasising the mere three minutes and 40 seconds it took to bomb 50 sites is just one the ways the Israeli military aims to restore its international reputation.

Finally, Hamas and Fatah have not yet reached an agreement regarding how to proceed when Mahmoud Abbas ends his official term as president of the Palestinian National Authority on January 9. One of the outcomes of this assault is that Abbas will remain in power for a while longer since Hamas will be unable to mobilise its supporters in order to force him to resign.

What is clearly missing from this list of Israeli objectives is the attempt to halt the firing of Qassam rockets into Israel's southern towns. Unlike the objectives I mentioned, which are not discussed by government officials, this one is presented by the government as the operation's primary objective. Yet, the government is actively misleading the public, since Israel could have put an end to the rockets a long time ago. Indeed, there was relative quiet during the six-months truce with Hamas, a quiet that was broken most often as a reaction to Israeli violence: that is, following the extra-judicial execution of a militant or the imposition of a total blockade which prevented basic goods, like food stuff and medicine, from entering the Gaza Strip. Rather than continuing the truce, the Israeli government has once again chosen to adopt strategies of violence that are tragically akin to the ones deployed by Hamas; only, the Israeli ones are much more lethal.

If the Israeli government really cared about its citizens and the country's long term ability to sustain itself in the Middle East, it would abandon the use of violence and talk with its enemies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/29/israelandthepalestinians-middleeast

 

[Akainu]

the problem with phosphorus is that it is not entirely forbidden in warfare. if they are using it to make a mist to hide an attack or whatever they want Hamas not to see it is allowed.
the other problem with this: the Gaza-strip is a heavily populated area and Hamas is hiding behind that.

 

[Akasunanosasori]

the problem with phosphorus is that it is not entirely forbidden in warfare. if they are using it to make a mist to hide an attack or whatever they want Hamas not to see it is allowed.
the other problem with this: the Gaza-strip is a heavily populated area and Hamas is hiding behind that.

and ?
Hamas is like the unofficial army of palestine they just defend it same as Hizb allah who stoped bombarding israel when they stoped attacking lebanon n left it in peace, Hamas will do the same if israel stop it's cruel atacks and back of from palestine.
White phosphorus not phosphorus and it's forbiden in wars.

 

[Akainu]

white phosphorus is forbidden in the use to kill, but not for fogging. I could give you a link but that's a german page so it wouldn't make much sense. the Geneva Convention is simply much too old and too ... ambivalent.
or let's simply use wikipedia again

about your other point there isn't much to say. Hamas did not stop and as you said before will never stop until they rule the whole of that territory you call their homeland, so which of your statements should I believe?

 

[Tenryuken]

and ?
Hamas is like the unofficial army of palestine they just defend it same as Hizb allah who stoped bombarding israel when they stoped attacking lebanon n left it in peace, Hamas will do the same if israel stop it's cruel atacks and back of from palestine.
White phosphorus not phosphorus and it's forbiden in wars.

Can't you see that Hamas is hurting the Palestinians more than Israel?

 

[Akasunanosasori]

white phosphorus is forbidden in the use to kill, but not for fogging. I could give you a link but that's a german page so it wouldn't make much sense. the Geneva Convention is simply much too old and too ... ambivalent.
or let's simply use wikipedia again

didn't whant to use this pic but anyway ...This picture is quite explicit !!
http://api.ning.com/files/XI33w7RUJ...a*OjYrVERZ7I3/gaza_new_weapon_molten_head.jpg
So what do u call this ?? they don't use it to kill ??

about your other point there isn't much to say. Hamas did not stop and as you said before will never stop until they rule the whole of that territory you call their homeland, so which of your statements should I believe?

Israel is just getting uglyer than any other time how can u think that peace is possible with a contry like that ? and i didn't say the whole territory they just want their homeland back.

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Can't you see that Hamas is hurting the Palestinians more than Israel?

Hamas is just playing it on the israelian way (killing inocent ppl) to make them hand back their homeland and No it's not hurting them more than the israelian .

 

[Akainu]

then what is their homeland?

and no I'd not be too sure that this "molten head" was caused by white phosphorus.
WP burns go down to the skin and this picture doesn't show burns, yet the clothes are intact and so seems the skin, but the head is deformed which WP in turn doesn't do. use google picture search for how that looks, there sadly are more than enough pics.

 

[NaruJunky]

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This is how u felt when ur area was attacked by a kassam rocket (4 kg of bombarding practicles) can u i magine how palestinian feel when f16 fighters are around their houses, can u tell me how they feel when ur ppl throw forbidden bombs that deform their body shape for ever(Cluster bombs, White phosphorus...), can u tell me how they feel when they loose their schools n hospitales, n can u tell me why ur army attack ambulances ?

Why do you keep spreading all those lies through all of this thread???

You either believe them yourself (which makes you one of the most ignorant people of the earth, which makes me feel very sorry for you) or you are actualy one of those Muslim fundamentalists that think that spreading filthy lies is a very good tactic in achieving international consolidation (not surprising for those who raise their children to kill themselves) .

Where do all this hate that you're showing is coming from????

It is a miracle from god that Israel still exists with all of the conjoined attacks that the arab nations have initiated on her, with all the lies they are spreading to the world, and with all this hatred that wishes to destroy Israel and kill Israeli civilians.

Are you aware as to how many civilians Hamas has killed throughout its existence? are you aware that the Palestinian population is suffering by the hands of Hamas? if not I will suggest to you to call one of those Palestinians and ask him what he thinks about this whole conflict.

Before you continue spreading your lies why don't you go and read some wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

If your information has been given by Hamas's television then you might have hope to see the truth again. But if you are one of those Muslim fundamentalist that consciously choses to spread lies and raises his children with hate and making them believe that sacrificing themselves to kill innocent people is a holy commandment then may god NOT have mercy on your soul!

But you should note yourself that Israel seeks peace with the whole Arab world, not only with the Palestinians!

If you wish to see your children and grandchildren to live in a world of peace you should abandon your Muslim fundamentalist beliefs!

 

[Akasunanosasori]

Why do you keep spreading all those lies through all of this thread???

You either believe them yourself (which makes you one of the most ignorant people of the earth, which makes me feel very sorry for you) or you are actualy one of those Muslim fundamentalists that think that spreading filthy lies is a very good tactic in achieving international consolidation (not surprising for those who raise their children to kill themselves) .

Where do all this hate that you're showing is coming from????

It is a miracle from god that Israel still exists with all of the conjoined attacks that the arab nations have initiated on her, with all the lies they are spreading to the world, and with all this hatred that wishes to destroy Israel and kill Israeli civilians.

nice lost few ppl and u named it a miracle how would the other side name it the palestinians ?

Are you aware as to how many civilians Hamas has killed throughout its existence? are you aware that the Palestinian population is suffering by the hands of Hamas? if not I will suggest to you to call one of those Palestinians and ask him what he thinks about this whole conflict.

Are you aware that israel killed more than hamas did on the last year only on this week ??
567 dead now and more than 2800 injured the new update !!!!!

Before you continue spreading your lies why don't you go and read some wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Hamas officials have stated several times that they are willing to stop attacks on Israeli civilian targets if Israel stops attacking Palestinian civilian targets in return.[127] In May 2003, Abdel Aziz Rantisi has said,

"The Hamas movement is prepared to stop terror against Israeli civilians if Israel stops killing Palestinian civilians ... We have told (Palestinian Authority Prime Minister) Abu Mazen in our meetings that there is an opportunity to stop targeting Israeli civilians if the Israelis stop assassinations and raids and stop brutalizing Palestinian civilians."
Can u tell me why Hamas respected a six-month cease-fire while Israel did not stop the 24 months siege to Gaza?

If your information has been given by Hamas's television then you might have hope to see the truth again. But if you are one of those Muslim fundamentalist that consciously choses to spread lies and raises his children with hate and making them believe that sacrificing themselves to kill innocent people is a holy commandment then may god NOT have mercy on your soul!

Al jazzera is one of the best news stations and it's not a hamas tv.

But you should note yourself that Israel seeks peace with the whole Arab world, not only with the Palestinians!

If you wish to see your children and grandchildren to live in a world of peace you should abandon your Muslim fundamentalist beliefs!

I will never and ever let down my beliefs as muslim and don't get me wrong cuz i know all u ppl think of muslims as terrorist .

then what is their homeland?

and no I'd not be too sure that this "molten head" was caused by white phosphorus.
WP burns go down to the skin and this picture doesn't show burns, yet the clothes are intact and so seems the skin, but the head is deformed which WP in turn doesn't do. use google picture search for how that looks, there sadly are more than enough pics.

so that's fine for u since it doesn't have burns on it ?

 

[Akainu]

why Hamas agreed to the truce? why did Hitler and Stalin make a pact? both sides know that there will be war and try to reinforce the best they can.
Israel planned this attack and Hamas tried to dig tunnels to get their suicide bombers into israel.

Regardles of that fighting should stop. Though everyone should be aware that if there is only one rocket fired from Gaza the whole shit will start again...

And please spare me with pseudo sarcastic comments - I already said that civilian casualties are bad, the one form the picture is no exception. Only the cause of death was doubted by my earlier statement.

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

There's no need to bring religion into it.

 

[redcometfm]

Al Jazeera? Are you f***ing kidding? That's pretty much the news and propaganda outlet of Al Qaeda, the terrorist group! Or do you think theyre not terrorists?

As far was wanting their homeland back, please, provide us with a map showing the current Palestinian territory and then a contrast map with the territory you desire to have back.

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I don't know about original Al-Jazeera, but in English, Al-jazeera English news channel is available on Sky digital here in the UK, I've watched it a couple of times, I don't think it's propaganda, etc. It's actually western in some respects, for example interviewing famous people known in America, etc like Russel Peters. Furthermore the way they conduct their programs are just as good as BBC, etc, maybe better in some things. They go around the world, showing some good documentaries, and it's definitely not bias from what I've seen on it, it looks at things from different perspectives, etc. Of course they report lot's of news from Iraq and Palestine etc, but I don't see how that's being bias when most of the news comes from there anyway. Though this is the english version, not sure about the Arab version, though same company...IMO Al-Jazeera might be subjected to misconceptions, but I've never seen the Arab version.

 

[Akasunanosasori]

Al Jazeera? Are you f***ing kidding? That's pretty much the news and propaganda outlet of Al Qaeda, the terrorist group! Or do you think theyre not terrorists?

As far was wanting their homeland back, please, provide us with a map showing the current Palestinian territory and then a contrast map with the territory you desire to have back.

Check few pages back n u will see it.
And i still can't belive that u ppl enjoy what israel doing !