Shounen Hanma Baki by Itagaki Keisuke

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Hello, this is the thread for the discussion of the current title HANMA BAKI SON OF OGRE, also BAKI THE GRAPPLER, being the issue that the three titles belong to the same line of series (think of star wars) this is going to be the general "BAKI" discussion thread. Hanma Baki is the third series on the line of BAKI THE GRAPPLER books. feel free to ask questions or comments regarding the series.
 

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AGAIN!! first to reply! hahahaahahah this is getting fun!!

MUCHO's thanks for starting this! this should be wild!!
 

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Re: HANMA BAKI SON OF OGRE/BAKI THE GRAPPLER

Just re-read volumes 1-9 and i have several questions :P

1.What did they tell about Speck, that he can open his cell from the outside using his teeth?

2.I couldn't understand the point that this dentist made in book 5, starting from page 181. What was he talking about?

3.Book 5 page 50. They tell the story from the perspective of this police officer that saw the fight between Hanayama and Speck. But i don't understand what the story teller meant with : "The time for Hanayama to settle himself in the car?Yes ... 2 or 3 minutes. More or less" .I understand this whole thing when Hanayuama brought Speck back to the police and then he went to get treated and get a bandage for his face and then he went to the car and at the same time Speck must have killed the police officers and then going out and eventually flipping the car in which Hanayama and the police officer were

4.I also got lost in the translation of Book 7 pages 30-31.

5.Where did u take the missing pages from book 8 (meaning pages 116b and 116c)? Cause i downloaded the raws and they don't have them (question to Ichido)


6.Am Doryan was asked what he's doing in Japan, what was his motive other than wanting to know defeat and he said that he wanted some medicine? Also i kinda felt odd when Retsu asked his master about Doryan and the latter replied that he's going to die, without telling us anything other.

7.When yanagi got loose he went to Gouki and they started fighting, but why weren't we shown how their fight ended?

8.What happened when Doryan blew the grenade in front of our heroes. How did they escape the impact, the same goes for Doryan.

9.Can someone give me more ingo about this manga Pound by pound, i wasn't able to find a thing, also about Make Upper
 

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Alright, a lot of questions here, gotta go back and re-read chapters

*****goes to read the mangas*****comes back*****

alright, Volume 1-4 has been very fuzzy translations from the start and I have plans to come back and remaster it, but I hope I can answer these on the best of my knowledge.


1.What did they tell about Speck, that he can open his cell from the outside using his teeth?

No, what speck does is not using his teeth, he kills people and uses the metal from the victim's teeth (to fix cavities etc) and he molds the metal to escape from the cells and ceilings, he killed the first counselor but he needed two metal pieces to escape the submarine, so he killed the second one when he was already out of his cell, if he were to escape, he wouldn't make it.



2.I couldn't understand the point that this dentist made in book 5, starting from page 181. What was he talking about?

-okay, he refers that people that normally use a lot of strenght in their activities have awful teeth, because to use a lot of force you have to bite really hard and that you can't use the full power of your body if you don't, and the worst example was Yanagi ryukoou, his teeth were awful, and his full power gets limited right away by doing this, Baki in the other hand, can show you in VOLUME 1 that he takes care of his teeth very well and Suwedo had to use a "template" to improve his biting force to have more power.

Point made: with awful teeth you can't bring full power to your body.




3.Book 5 page 50. They tell the story from the perspective of this police officer that saw the fight between Hanayama and Speck. But i don't understand what the story teller meant with : "The time for Hanayama to settle himself in the car?Yes ... 2 or 3 minutes. More or less" .I understand this whole thing when Hanayuama brought Speck back to the police and then he went to get treated and get a bandage for his face and then he went to the car and at the same time Speck must have killed the police officers and then going out and eventually flipping the car in which Hanayama and the police officer were.


-Okay this is a case of a weird translation, a lot of people ask me the same question and this will be for revision in the future, the line would be:

"How long until hanayama was inside the car? I'll say about 3 minutes"

(this was since hanayama came out to the street, walked to the car and sit down over there, as soon as he sit down, Speck flipped the car upside down)
yes, speck took that long to go out and ambush him, 3 minutes.



-4.I also got lost in the translation of Book 7 pages 30-31.

Dorian tag along with his father in the war of japan-USA, when he was 10 years ago, and he knew all the escape routes and bunkers around japan, so that's why he had this hideout for fifty years and nobody has ever discovered it because it was controlled by the american army but forgotten.




5.Where did u take the missing pages from book 8 (meaning pages 116b and 116c)? Cause i downloaded the raws and they don't have them (question to Ichido)

-My collaborator at the time (spamdini) sent them to me from the original french pages, the random missing pages is the very reason why I started to scan my own raws, other reason will be the quality, I refused to use the public raw of SON OF OGRE 6, in a funny note, notice the twisted page for a scan that wasn't unbinded, and there's a small french line there.





6.Am Doryan was asked what he's doing in Japan, what was his motive other than wanting to know defeat and he said that he wanted some medicine?

-It wasn't a true "medicine" he was looking for someone that "clean his soul" with such a crushing defeat that he comes back on being a child back again, the one that do that was Retsu with his crushing fists on his head, and that was just happened, he found what he was looking for.



Also i kinda felt odd when Retsu asked his master about Doryan and the latter replied that he's going to die, without telling us anything other.

-Well, yes, he was going to die, but not in combat, probably peacefully or without harming anyone, maybe the darkness of his soul was going to be pacified, Itagaki does this lines to twist his stories and throw you off so you don't guess what's coming next, take this simply as a line of mystery.



7.When yanagi got loose he went to Gouki and they started fighting, but why weren't we shown how their fight ended?

-You mean when he pointed the stick at his eye? I need more info about this one, what chapter?





8.What happened when Doryan blew the grenade in front of our heroes. How did they escape the impact, the same goes for Doryan.

-They jumped at super speed to all directions, since the walls of the dojos are made out of paper and our heroes mastered the super speed, I guess they run pretty fast, there are more questions for me to itagaki like "why Katsumi having 80% of his body burned, just got well in 7 months like nothing?" or "why Suwedo came back to life after dying on the fight against Dorian?"




9.Can someone give me more info about this manga Pound by pound, i wasn't able to find a thing, also about Make Upper.


Pound by pound is another fighting series from shonen champion, it's only five volumes and promotes the PRIDE tournaments a lot, think of a WORST mixed with KARATE KID, I have the first volume and they talk about locks, pops, throws and everything related to mixed martial arts, sounds exciting but the first volume had only text, they talk to no end!!! I wanted to take it but the first volume just dissapointed me, maybe another group can take it.
I have the first volume but I won't buy the other 4.

Make Upper is the first "commercial" success of Itagaki keisuke, is the story of Yumegi bikuu, the heir of the Yumegi family that had been taking care of the make-up of geishas since the times of the yamato, he was born with a special skill of "beauty making" he can make the most ugly girl in school win a beauty contest, he can make a stone statue look like a goddess and his family hates his for such skill, his adventures are collected in only 3 books, later on he created Baki the grappler and the rest is history.
 

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Pound by pound is another fighting series from shonen champion, it's only five volumes and promotes the PRIDE tournaments a lot, think of a WORST mixed with KARATE KID, I have the first volume and they talk about locks, pops, throws and everything related to mixed martial arts, sounds exciting but the first volume had only text, they talk to no end!!! I wanted to take it but the first volume just dissapointed me, maybe another group can take it.
I have the first volume but I won't buy the other 4.


wow! i still would love to read it!
 

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the first volume has two armlocks, one back lock and one punch...
and the manga has 200 pages....

for a fighting manga that's way low!!!
 

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I enjoyed Tenjo Tengi.. but then it got all mystic and shit.. so that turned me off big time! BAKI never failed to deliver!! and garouden.. just keeps getting better and better!
 

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Re: Hanma Baki Son of Ogre/Baki the Grappler

Ow yay, thanks Reichan :). What i meant about Yanagi is that he escaped, then went to Gouki and the first threw him a teapot or a bucket with hot water and Yanagi said - "This is the second time u lose, there won't be another", but we didn't see how that ended?
 

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well, actually, that's how it ended, it was kind of checkmate, I believe then he just stood up and left, "there won't be a third one" means that next time they fight he was going to die, but fortunately, he teamed up with baki and the story evolved on a different direction.
 

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Re: Hanma Baki Son of Ogre/Baki the Grappler

yeah, that was the way it ended, which is why Gouki then brings the pot with cold water (or was it a bucket??) in the next fight, to play mental games with him...what Yanagi meant is that he could have killed him while he was preoccupied with the scolding pot

Itagaki loves playing a lot with the "be prepared at all times" theme, like when Doppo lost to Yujiro cause he was drunk, or when Ali Jr. beat up almost everybody cause they weren't serious, or way back when Baki lost to that guy in the max tournament, Zolo?? Zulo?? Zule??
 

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in terms of competition, Zool (or zulu) broke the rules by just jumping on baki without waiting for the start sign (this is to avoid cheap jumps before any battles) but itagaki always brings his cliffhangers or story twists around so you can never guess what he's gonna come up with.
 

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Sup guys

Saw the questions made by Freezer and the answers by Ichido Reichan, in which I must say were very impressive.

But i noticed that there weren´t any questions about Baki´s girlfriend, so my question is what happned to her?

PS: BIG thumbs up for Greco Espinoza, beeing such a good sport, for replying the emails he gets.
 

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Ya know what, have to be the one to say this, but what's the appeal in the art?

Just curious to hear the perspective from the fans side
 

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Re: Hanma Baki Son of Ogre/Baki the Grappler

Thank you my friends, I love to discuss this title.

It's a common question "hey what happened to Kozue, did she left baki?"
the answer is an easy one, between the Oliva fortress and the pickle wars it has been only 4 months in between (on the manga timeline)
if you guys don't remember, Kozue asked Baki "to finish what he wanted to do and come back when he's done" and right now she is just living life, going to work, studying etc, Baki being in USA and meeting Pickle as soon as he came back is taking all his time, but make no mistake, Kozue should come back very soon, we even got KAKU KAIOH back and I really thought we won't see him again for a long time, so our dear Kozue will return.


As for the art appeal, SHONEN CHAMPION WEEKLY has a big array of titles with all sorts of art styles, Itagaki has crafted and improved his art a lot, demonstrating his advances on designs has surpassed the previous one, Yuujiro, Baki and everyone else has been looking even better through the times, but the appeal of the magazine is 13-20 I believe.
 

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OK guys... great to see everyone joining in... I only have on thing on my mind right now.. we all saw THE ANIME version.. can someone explain to me what was going on in the ARTISTS style? we would see one episode which looked clean.. and nice.. then next episode.. they all look deformed.. like another guy was drawing it.. anyone else notice this.. or do I need to see an eye doctor? lol
 

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Re: Hanma Baki Son of Ogre/Baki the Grappler

funnily enough that's just one of the issues i notice in the manga ¬_¬

but of course it has some appeal in it's freakish representation of the human body, else it wouldn't have all these series eh
 

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The art of Keisuke Itegaki is one of the most interesting in the manga universe. Nearly every character has a beautiful, muscular physique. It's almost like an "ideal world" where all fighters look like gods. How could you ever read Baki/Garouden and not feel like you need to train!? Baki has been an influence in my own training for years and if I ever need motivation I just read any of the volumes.

I've been thinking about something: What happened to Sikorski? After his defeat by Gaia, what do you think he ended up doing? All the other convicts were rather killed or incapacitated, but Sikorski was defeated and left alone. Do you think he was arrested again? Did he kill himself? Or did he finally receive the "defeat" he had always been searching for and start a new life?
 

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I look at it and think that i should be glad to have the physique i do as opposed to the beefcake stuff that gets thrown about there. its interesting no doubt, but beautiful? not in the slightest.

Though New baki opened well with the all the synchronicity stuff. thats something in its favour
 

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I hate it when a manga series has skinny, weak looking characters that are super-strong. It drives me crazy. I grew up following the physiques of people like Bruce Lee, Mike Mentzer, Frank Zane, Brooks Kubik, and many others. They looked strong and were strong. To me, and millions of others, they were beautiful. It's not for everyone's taste, but you can't deny that they were in amazing shape. In Itegaki's world, he has chosen to represent the characters in this way - "The Strong is the Beautiful".
 

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That's fair enough with bruce lee, he had a helluva amount of strength and looked the part. but again he wasn't a beefcake with a piggy nose and eyes that tend to look in opposite directions XD
 
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