Art Hoshino's Instagram Account and Discussion Thread

[tgirl]

Didn't we already do ever since chapter 206?

It almost looks like that, right? ^__^ However, at that time, I think it's closer to....

Spoiler

"Mirroring", which is a form of personality/disassociation disorder. Allen has a non-extreme form of it since it was born out of trauma and Mana's words. Allen is borrowing Mana's speech and personality in order to wear the "Mask of Mana". (Viz's version calls it "walk in Mana's footsteps" over the Allen wearing a clown mask image.) However, he still carries a sense of self, so, he's not really in the extreme side of this disassociation.

Citing from Out of the FOG:

Definition:

Mirroring - Imitating or copying another person's characteristics, behaviors or traits.

Borrowing a Self-Image

Mirroring occurs when people with Personality Disorders have a vacant or distorted self-image, which can manifest itself as an imitation of another person’s speech, mannerisms, behaviors, dress style, purchase preferences or daily habits.

In more extreme manifestations of this behavior, the person doing the mirroring might begin to believe they actually are the other person, to the extent they might call themselves by their name, claim to be them or ‘borrow’ elements of the other person’s life such as relationships, past experiences, career or family history and claim these as their own.

Mirroring can be a form of Dissociation, where a person’s strong feelings create “facts” which are less than true.

Multiple personality disorder (or dissociative identity disorder) is going to be when all the different personalities try to have control over one person. So far, it's really just Nea serving as a prologue. You can say the Alma Karma arc to the 24th volume are previews of what will come, until Allen is able to figure out how to make himself whole or work together with all the things that are inside of him. Keep in mind, we haven't even seen what his past self was like so that's like a fourth personality to face down the line, which was originally his to begin with.

Allen and Nea are just the beginning, when we still have to figure out the 14th.... @__@ Once everyone has fully "woken up", things will get really crazy.

Because just talk and understanding each other may work every mess out, but they just won't do that
Personally, I think Nea is the original 14th Noah memory in his own. And then we have this. Since flashback arc is pretty much confirmed, I think I'm gonna wait...

Yeah, they won't talk right away just like that. Allen is still in resisting mode the last time we left him at. I have hope, though, that everything will be straighten out in the end. ^__^ It's just going to take time.

Also, thanks for that link. I remember that thread. I casually skimmed through that theory before, but I didn't think of it much afterwards. I'm going to re-read it again when I have the time, because it pretty much echoes the thoughts of many people who also thought about the 14th, and not Nea. (The whole thread this time as well.) With the direction we seem to be heading, anything is possible so it's hard to rule that one out. As you said though, you're going to wait. So am I.

 

[Zibi234]

There are 3 or 4 main mysteries

1. Allen... why did he get younger and what about his innocence arm (neah too wondered about allen..on what happened so maybe if he saw allens past memories he could try to befriend allen then erase him completly)
2. Mana - Earl... like who's soul did allen call when we saw the earl at the same spot at the same time
3. Neah...there were orginally 13noah's so how did he become the 14th one... so how the noah can be born in existence (since his presence seems important to many people... innocence, central, leavier wanting him)
4. The whole heart innocence person... and why is it so attached to allen... is it becouse of 14th or there is something different that the heart likes and wants to save him at all costs


Hoshino too could give us a hint when will she return it would be a lot more human thing to do xD less suffering and calm waiting for the day ^^

 

[JDSS]

There are 3 or 4 main mysteries

1. Allen... why did he get younger and what about his innocence arm (neah too wondered about allen..on what happened so maybe if he saw allens past memories he could try to befriend allen then erase him completly)
2. Mana - Earl... like who's soul did allen call when we saw the earl at the same spot at the same time
3. Neah...there were orginally 13noah's so how did he become the 14th one... so how the noah can be born in existence (since his presence seems important to many people... innocence, central, leavier wanting him)
4. The whole heart innocence person... and why is it so attached to allen... is it becouse of 14th or there is something different that the heart likes and wants to save him at all costs


Hoshino too could give us a hint when will she return it would be a lot more human thing to do xD less suffering and calm waiting for the day ^^

5. The plan that the Noah family has, the earl said that it doesnt matter the egg, just if they get a piece of it, so they could know about akuma, and if the Central know more about akuma, they could reach to the true of akuma, and that is what the earl was meaning, he said something like: '' The egg doesnt matter, they dont know the true about akuma, if they know it, our plan will be failed''. (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997356-What-is-the-truth-about-Akuma?highlight=)

6. Road 's body, life and purpose is a mistery.

7. Why the earl hasnt take over Mana's soul, like the other Noahs are done with their hosts. (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997666-Why-the-Earl-hasn-t-taken-over-or-deleted-his-host?highlight=)

8. Why did Mana teach Allen the 14th's song's symbols, Did Mana know that Allen was the host of Nea (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997486-Why-did-Mana-teach-Allen-the-14th-s-song-s-symbols-Did-Mana-know-that-Allen-was-the-host-of-Nea)

9. Why Mana said he had 17 years old (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997419-Why-Mana-said-that-he-had-17-years-old?highlight=)

10. The name ''Allen'', the dog and Allen himself (Nea II?) (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997487-The-dog-Allen-named-Allen-and-Nea-telling-about-Allen?highlight=)

11. The promise that Nea did to Mana (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2996123-What-the-promise-that-Nea-did-to-Mana-is-about?highlight=)

12. The 3rd side of the war (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2995965-What-is-the-3rd-side-of-the-war?highlight=)

13. Why Allen has to kill someone who loves

14. The nature or being of the Earl, he hasnt died, he has died but he is inside the suit, etc...

15. The meaning of the earl and Allen being puppets

16. Mana associated with darkness (he said ''I'm back Allen, the darkness has returned...'' when Allen got the lvl 2 of his left eye and the skull was shown, in Krory's castle, fighting against Eliade)(Also the earls says the same, one more clue about Mana being the host of the earl)

17. The relation of Past-Allen with Road, Nea, and maybe the old man that is in the Central




(I'm not doing spam of my threads, just I'm posting them if someone want to post)

 

[NonExisted]

I want to ask Hoshino who did she just post...

 

[Baniita]

Apparently that ribbon was green, and not red. Hunh. The three-striped one, anyway. Wasn't the two-stripe one red? Or was that the same ribbon?

How did I even come to the conclusion it was red again?

 

[NonExisted]

How did I even come to the conclusion it was red again?

Because Hoshino had always colored it red, and the anime just followed the design?

 

[KitforKat]

Because Hoshino had always colored it red, and the anime just followed the design and for some reason, green becomes the new red?

I feel like I've seen it in green before? Hmm. Don't have the time for a look-though right now, though.


It's so nostalgic seeing Hoshino draw Allen in the old style! Very cute.


EDIT: I looked through anyway, and yeah, in some colour pages Allen has a green ribbon instead of a red or black one.

For example:

Spoiler

 

[tgirl]

Strangely enough, I found some fan art that colored his ribbon green. I'm so use to seeing his ribbon in red that I had to do a few double takes looking at the green ribbon on her Instagram. I liked the semblance between both the pen and the ribbon, in terms of the stripes.

Also, @Kit: I like your Nea sig. Gave him a bit of life with the color in it.

In terms of the general aspects of this thread's discussion so far, we have a lot of mysteries to solve. A lot. It's going to be an interesting journey when she continues the story. That's definitely for sure. (I'm highly interested in the past relationships between Allen, the Heart, the Campbells and the Noah.)

Edit edit edit: Before I forget....

17. The relation of Past-Allen with Road, Nea, and maybe the old man that is in the Central

I'm going to add one more to this list of mysteries that need answers.

18. The truth behind these music lyrics and notes that only Allen can play.

Spoiler

Nea and Mana's mother sang it as a lullaby, but I feel like there's some kind of secret due to the fact that it has music notes that don't exist anywhere in history. (Possibly, magically enhanced by Nea in order to use the Ark?) It's possible that Nea and Mana made the notes up as kids to go along with the lullaby, but the song's lyrics seem to be talking about a boy with silver gray eyes, which coincidentally sounds like Allen? There's also that mysterious symbol/seal in the middle of the music notes. The anime uses Allen's VA to sing the song and showed us that the magically enhanced notes spin when played (which makes sense as they're circular).

I sometimes wonder if these notes are connected to the ancient past? The time of when the Earl was created and fought against the Heart wielder. *shrugs* Just random rambling from there.

If anyone else wants to add more to the list, feel free.

 

[Zibi234]

5. The plan that the Noah family has, the earl said that it doesnt matter the egg, just if they get a piece of it, so they could know about akuma, and if the Central know more about akuma, they could reach to the true of akuma, and that is what the earl was meaning, he said something like: '' The egg doesnt matter, they dont know the true about akuma, if they know it, our plan will be failed''. (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997356-What-is-the-truth-about-Akuma?highlight=)

6. Road 's body, life and purpose is a mistery.

7. Why the earl hasnt take over Mana's soul, like the other Noahs are done with their hosts. (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997666-Why-the-Earl-hasn-t-taken-over-or-deleted-his-host?highlight=)

8. Why did Mana teach Allen the 14th's song's symbols, Did Mana know that Allen was the host of Nea (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997486-Why-did-Mana-teach-Allen-the-14th-s-song-s-symbols-Did-Mana-know-that-Allen-was-the-host-of-Nea)

9. Why Mana said he had 17 years old (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997419-Why-Mana-said-that-he-had-17-years-old?highlight=)

10. The name ''Allen'', the dog and Allen himself (Nea II?) (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2997487-The-dog-Allen-named-Allen-and-Nea-telling-about-Allen?highlight=)

11. The promise that Nea did to Mana (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2996123-What-the-promise-that-Nea-did-to-Mana-is-about?highlight=)

12. The 3rd side of the war (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2995965-What-is-the-3rd-side-of-the-war?highlight=)

13. Why Allen has to kill someone who loves

14. The nature or being of the Earl, he hasnt died, he has died but he is inside the suit, etc...

15. The meaning of the earl and Allen being puppets

16. Mana associated with darkness (he said ''I'm back Allen, the darkness has returned...'' when Allen got the lvl 2 of his left eye and the skull was shown, in Krory's castle, fighting against Eliade)(Also the earls says the same, one more clue about Mana being the host of the earl)

17. The relation of Past-Allen with Road, Nea, and maybe the old man that is in the Central

I wonder if the answers for 11,12,13 might be:

11 - we dont know much about the 14th memory but apperently its an evil dangerous memory according to Tyki...which might be the power of destruction... so noah have to go along their memories which is driving them like pupets with not much of an choice as its in their nature.... so mostly neah attacked mana by going with that setup and in the end he lost but still he wanted Mana (not earl) to keep going as he is still his blood brother he loves

12 - isnt the 3rd side of war the Apo... he goes around ereses memories and kills anyone on his path be it exorcist, noah or simple human... bookman knows about him and is scared to talk about it as apo might shapeshift and no one knows where he is

13 - well allen is the host so if he turns then mostly he will have to kill Earl who turned out to be Mana...and by looking on the past of allen with cross we saw how much allen loved mana (that shock was heavy on him and as the end the mask of mana was making him keep walking) and so killing mana once again would just break him completly (first time he turned him into akuma and killed)

well maybe 15 might be connectred to the answer from 11... they are driven by their memories to the point it crosses the boundries of self-awarness and memories... like how Mana as the earl has problems of remembering his past and the last chapter kinda confirms that...something did happen and mana doesnt remember much from the past as it might be suppressed by the suit so a flashback from the past is needed to make earl remember and rage for some reason. The pupets might simply be connected to the fact they are controled by their noah memories like robots and they have not much free will to do stuff they dont want to do.


about 18. well its not strange for small siblings that likes each other and gets along to create a special code or language that only them knows how to use... it connects them, so mostly its what happened here neah and mana both were listening to their mothers singing from small so they adapted that song as something that they both know and no one else... they used magic to imprint that song into the ark but still its something that connects them..... yet the mystery here might be why was Neah's command as the 14th more important then the nr.1 noah Earl's (he couldnt erese that edo command)


anyway we could add as 19. The mother of neah and mana, as we saw neah loved her and it must had been heavy to see her dead and that was the trigger to the masacre... so we have to see how she died.

 

[Baniita]

Wish I knew how to ask Hoshino "please show us Allen's ribbon collection/past ribbons"...

 

[NonExisted]

Wish I knew how to ask Hoshino "please show us Allen's ribbon collection/past ribbons"...

Just post it. She will use the translation app anyway

Reply from the ribbon post:

まともに描こうとしたら初期アレンの素朴さが予想以上に難しかったのでアレンジして描きました。やっぱり色々あって成長した今のアレンが私の中で一番のアレンのようです。

 

[Niko_kun]

the new update is so beautiful

http://instagram.com/p/v4xeZrCf4c/

Allen looks happy here

 

[kannazuki]

Oh that's interesting. She said it was harder than she expected to portray early Allen's innocence (not the arm, but his character) as it was, and due to a number of reasons she prefers the present "grown up" Allen. (I know a lot of fans prefer earlier Allen, but I like where she's been taking him personally so that was cool to read.)

*edit*
non-chan, I can't find that quote as a reply on the page. Where is it from?

 

[fayah]

uwaa, apparently I had an account on mangahelpers and forgot all about it @v@;;
Um if anyone is interested kannazuki's comments made me interested in creeping on all of Hoshino's previous comments and I have compiled them here: http://gummyfoxes.tumblr.com/post/103752829259

 

[JDSS]

I wonder if the answers for 11,12,13 might be:

11 - we dont know much about the 14th memory but apperently its an evil dangerous memory according to Tyki...which might be the power of destruction... so noah have to go along their memories which is driving them like pupets with not much of an choice as its in their nature.... so mostly neah attacked mana by going with that setup and in the end he lost but still he wanted Mana (not earl) to keep going as he is still his blood brother he loves

excuse me, when Tiky said that Neah its evil and dangerous? (I dont talk about ''14th memories'' because Nea is a Noah himself, he had not a host)

12 - isnt the 3rd side of war the Apo... he goes around ereses memories and kills anyone on his path be it exorcist, noah or simple human... bookman knows about him and is scared to talk about it as apo might shapeshift and no one knows where he is

yes, Apo is relationated with the 3rd side too, but he is in the Central side

13 - well allen is the host so if he turns then mostly he will have to kill Earl who turned out to be Mana...and by looking on the past of allen with cross we saw how much allen loved mana (that shock was heavy on him and as the end the mask of mana was making him keep walking) and so killing mana once again would just break him completly (first time he turned him into akuma and killed)

Maybe is that

well maybe 15 might be connectred to the answer from 11... they are driven by their memories to the point it crosses the boundries of self-awarness and memories... like how Mana as the earl has problems of remembering his past and the last chapter kinda confirms that...something did happen and mana doesnt remember much from the past as it might be suppressed by the suit so a flashback from the past is needed to make earl remember and rage for some reason. The pupets might simply be connected to the fact they are controled by their noah memories like robots and they have not much free will to do stuff they dont want to do.

Maybe is that but with the earl, with Nea... he is a Noah himself... But maybe when he turned, he adquired a memory

so maybe is that

anyway we could add as 19. The mother of neah and mana, as we saw neah loved her and it must had been heavy to see her dead and that was the trigger to the masacre... so we have to see how she died.

Better said, 19. What happened to Nea's and Mana's mother
good one






20. Where Cross go (to investigate about Past-Allen and more during that 35 years)

 

[Niko_kun]

That comment of hers is so cute haha

"Whats your favorite character?"
Hoshino: My favorite character is everyone ˆˆ

<3

 

[fayah]

Hoshino updated. I really like all her notebooks *__*
The only ones I can really identify are the hobonichi techo, croquis, the yoga, and kakimori one

Spoiler

My favorite notebooks. Hobonichi KAZUN -> for studying. weeks and Ashford -> story idea book. Traveler’s Note Passport -> memo book. KAKIMORI -> for everything. CROQUIS -> Sketches. JIBUN notebook [note: translates to my own notebook but I think it’s a brand?] -> life log word dairy. I’m looking forward to using a Moon Yoga dairy starting next year! #notebook

 

[Darjaille]

I wonder if the yoga one will be used as a yoga diary or just a normal writing or sketching one. Having all sorts of illnesses before, she probably practices yoga now to be healthy? ^.^

That being said, she must be an orderly person. I own a thousand notebooks but don't use them in any way, I always end up abanding them after a few days

 

[fayah]

I have a collection of notebooks I hoard but end up wanting to burn because too much private material to leave around to prying eyes :'D

I don't think the yoga dairy will be a sketch dairy. I looked up the book here it seems to be more like a calender/advice/instructional book and you can write little notes about the recommended yoga poses for that day it seems? It looks really cute, I hope it helps her stay healthy!

 

[NonExisted]

I wonder if the yoga one will be used as a yoga diary or just a normal writing or sketching one. Having all sorts of illnesses before, she probably practices yoga now to be healthy? ^.^

Found the Amazon for the book. Apparently it's a yoga one ^_^