Discussion How did Kite come back? (SPOILERS)

[GingFuriksu]

I know he came back from a ability of his Nen, but I want a more in depth reason... I don't know... I didn't like that at all, and the name of the ability is also quite stupid imo " How the hell could I die like this ?! " O.o

As much as I LOVE !! HxH... I don't really like this too much, its probably my biggest complaint of the series thus far ( and probably ONLY complaint ) LOL

But yeah... I want them to go more in depth, does his ability somewhat relates to Kurama from YYH. How he was badly injured and he fled with his soul unto another body ? Seems like it, right ? That's why the Queen had twins ?

Did I miss something ?

 

[Phantron]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

There was no good reason for him to come back. He wasn't even eaten by the Queen since Pitou was using him as some kind of training dummy. Messing with death is way beyond the limitation of Aura. It'd have made more sense if Alluka just resurrected him because at least Alluka doesn't have to obey the normal rules established in HXH.

 

[EverEndingStory]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

I thought the idea was that the queen ate his brain? Same as how Gyro, Colt, and Reina had their memories from their past lives, basically making it reincarnation.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

I thought the idea was that the queen ate his brain? Same as how Gyro, Colt, and Reina had their memories from their past lives, basically making it reincarnation.

Hmm I don't remember them removing his brain, just pokkles. But I doubt it either way, because if that was the case there wouldn't be any point in mentioning that ability.

 

[mousiehamster]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

First, HUGE F'ING SPOILERS in the topic title.

Secondly, everything in HxH is explained by Nen, even Alluka's powers. Which means yes, resurrection IS possible, which I do think kind of cheapens death which works towards what Togashi was (previously) trying to communicate.

 

[Phantron]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

If creating a sword that can cut through everything is beyond the limit of Aura, then resurrecting a dead person is definitely also beyond the limit of Aura. Aura cannot even reverse aging in a practical way. There's an item from GI that can reverse aging, but it is clearly not usable in any practical way because it'd be pretty insane for Netero to strap a bomb on himself instead of just reverse his aging to a point where he'd be twice as strong (he only has 50% of his peak power). Okay maybe he would need to strap on a bomb on himself even at his full strength but certainly it's not going to hurt if he returned to his peak before fighting a battle that was supposed to determine the fate of humanity. If you can cheat death the world of HXH would basically look a lot like Final Fantasy X's Spira where every person who didn't want to die sticks around just because they can.

The Queen's diet is described as basically human meatballs. The last time we saw Kite he still has most of his flesh, so he certainly didn't get turn into dinner for the Queen. I guess hypothetically Pitou could've operated on him, take out his brain for no reason, never mentioned it to anyone but slipped the brain in with the rest of the human meatballs, and then continue operating as normal. But if you want to go that way pretty much anything else could've happened 'behind the scenes', so to speak.

By the way while there's a concept of a 'spirit' (Pitou says he can't bring Kite back because his spirit is no longer around), we don't see the Zodiac consulting the spirit of Netero to see if Beyond Netero was really his son, so even if you go that path at best you might go with something like "Kite's spirit will always be with you, even though you can't possibly sense him".

Now Alluka is allowed to break the normal limits of aura but since he/she has to touch the being to even heal, it's pretty clear his/her power is not as infinite as Killua claimed. It'd also be ridiculously hypocritical not to mention stupid where you've an arc where Killua got a bunch of people killed pointlessly (Gotoh + random Hunters) because he didn't want to 'take advantage' of Alluka with his free wishes and then immediately turns around and asks for the moon by resurrecting someone.

 

[futurefrog]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

As Ging stated, Kite has a nen ability called 'Like Hell I am Gonna Die!'
Ging himself taught Kite the ability and it has the power to save Kite from death.
Now that is all we know about the ability.

For those wondering how Kite revived as an Ant although his original body was still in tact, we it is the ability that Ging spoke of. He was not eaten by the queen.

Now a little bit of speculation on my part is that Kite's ability involves the World Tree (the gateway of souls).
I am gonna take a guess and say that the ability instead of passing his soul through the world tree, bounces it back into another life form.
That is the only explanation I can think of for it. Take it with a grain of salt as none of this has been confirmed.

 

[Phantron]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

As Ging stated, Kite has a nen ability called 'Like Hell I am Gonna Die!'
Ging himself taught Kite the ability and it has the power to save Kite from death.
Now that is all we know about the ability.

For those wondering how Kite revived as an Ant although his original body was still in tact, we it is the ability that Ging spoke of. He was not eaten by the queen.

Now a little bit of speculation on my part is that Kite's ability involves the World Tree (the gateway of souls).
I am gonna take a guess and say that the ability instead of passing his soul through the world tree, bounces it back into another life form.
That is the only explanation I can think of for it. Take it with a grain of salt as none of this has been confirmed.

In that case the world of HXH would just be a lot like Star Wars where every Sith Lord who didn't want to die just turns around and possess someone else when their body expires. Honestly, Sith Lords goes through more effort in an attempt to cheat death that usually requires all kinds of rituals, artifacts, and probably a host raised solely for this purpose, and it still rarely works out. Yet here Kite just decides he needs to have an ability to avoid dying and without any preparation he cheated death. Keep in mind that The Force is a lot stronger than Aura from a fictional point of view.

 

[futurefrog]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

In that case the world of HXH would just be a lot like Star Wars where every Sith Lord who didn't want to die just turns around and possess someone else when their body expires. Honestly, Sith Lords goes through more effort in an attempt to cheat death that usually requires all kinds of rituals, artifacts, and probably a host raised solely for this purpose, and it still rarely works out. Yet here Kite just decides he needs to have an ability to avoid dying and without any preparation he cheated death. Keep in mind that The Force is a lot stronger than Aura from a fictional point of view.

As has been mentioned we know very little about this ability or how much preparation he put into it. Nor do we know the reason why he desired such an ability.
All we know is that Kite was taught this ability by Ging and in all likelihood it has something to do with the World Tree.

As it stands right now all we can do is wait for Togashi to explain things in more detail as we dont know much yet.

We can definitely guarantee that this ability has a severe restriction for Kite to use it. Maybe the restriction of the ability is that he can only be reborn in a female body? Or perhaps the restriction is that he simply has no control of his body to be born in?

 

[Uriel]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

For me it's easy: When in the verge of death, Nen activates and finds a new hostage and move the soul over there. Probably with a condition and some kind of particular filter in order to go to the nearest "mother".

If creating a sword that can cut through everything is beyond the limit of Aura, then resurrecting a dead person is definitely also beyond the limit of Aura.

ACTUALLY...It's not what Mizuken meant.
Rebirth is possible, you could see that souls were dealt somehow at Greed Island. The sword can cut trough everything IS impossible because you can never KNOW everything. So unexpected things are what makes that sword impossible, not the feat of having an incredible sharp sword. In the same way, you can heal something enough to make a limb again, heal faster than human possible and even use your Nen to get away from death.

Aura cannot even reverse aging in a practical way. There's an item from GI that can reverse aging, but it is clearly not usable in any practical way because it'd be pretty insane for Netero to strap a bomb on himself instead of just reverse his aging to a point where he'd be twice as strong (he only has 50% of his peak power). Okay maybe he would need to strap on a bomb on himself even at his full strength but certainly it's not going to hurt if he returned to his peak before fighting a battle that was supposed to determine the fate of humanity. If you can cheat death the world of HXH would basically look a lot like Final Fantasy X's Spira where every person who didn't want to die sticks around just because they can.

It could if your technique is only dedicated to that. For examples, look at Biscuit. Netero focused his technique in something else which was HIS style to fight and what interested him the most.
And not anyone can, only people who are interested into it and make the needed vows and restrictions which I'm sure Kaito technique has.

By the way while there's a concept of a 'spirit' (Pitou says he can't bring Kite back because his spirit is no longer around), we don't see the Zodiac consulting the spirit of Netero to see if Beyond Netero was really his son, so even if you go that path at best you might go with something like "Kite's spirit will always be with you, even though you can't possibly sense him".

Which is a good way to describe that it was somewhere else. :/ Probably, in another body.
And I doubt they do that, actually, since the costs of that technique could be dangerous and unneeded. Also, we know little about those kind of techniques, but I'm sure there is someone in the HxH world purely dedicated to that.
After all you have a person who can see 100% in the future. Which is human impossible.

PS: Avoid offtopic and Star Wars chit-chat.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

First, HUGE F'ING SPOILERS in the topic title.

Secondly, everything in HxH is explained by Nen, even Alluka's powers. Which means yes, resurrection IS possible, which I do think kind of cheapens death which works towards what Togashi was (previously) trying to communicate.

Oh, I forgot that some people don't read the manga >.< SORRY !!

 

[XXGenesis]

Nah I agree with everybody that Dislike's him coming back as the Queen's second child. It's Simply Togashi bringing back a Liked Character through PIS( Plot Induced Story). We know Kite had a Conjuerer Ability Roulette weapon sort of thing. SO this ability Ging was talking about is PIS if yo ask me. We know Nen becomes stronger in death...Pitou perfect example she died but had an puppet ability that could move her body so she could still fight you in her death, and be much stronger.....But Kite's non explained Nen ability doesn't make sense especially since he wasn't eaten but used a a training puppet to train the Ant army. I didn't like it I definitely frowned upon it he should have stayed dead..It doesn't make sense And speculating the tree of life or a soul transfer is too big of a Hypothesis since we don't know anything about this so called ability and it sounds more of a Specialty thecnique.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

As has been mentioned we know very little about this ability or how much preparation he put into it. Nor do we know the reason why he desired such an ability.
All we know is that Kite was taught this ability by Ging and in all likelihood it has something to do with the World Tree.

As it stands right now all we can do is wait for Togashi to explain things in more detail as we dont know much yet.

We can definitely guarantee that this ability has a severe restriction for Kite to use it. Maybe the restriction of the ability is that he can only be reborn in a female body? Or perhaps the restriction is that he simply has no control of his body to be born in?

I agree with you FutureFrog, I believe the ability is somewhat like Kurama's from YYH, actually.. its quite possible that it IS the ability. But it isn't CONFIRMED. I'm the kind of person that wants an explanation for everything QUICK ! : P But I have faith in Togashi, he's a master writer.

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Nah I agree with everybody that Dislike's him coming back as the Queen's second child. It's Simply Togashi bringing back a Liked Character through PIS( Plot Induced Story). We know Kite had a Conjuerer Ability Roulette weapon sort of thing. SO this ability Ging was talking about is PIS if yo ask me. We know Nen becomes stronger in death...Pitou perfect example she died but had an puppet ability that could move her body so she could still fight you in her death, and be much stronger.....But Kite's non explained Nen ability doesn't make sense especially since he wasn't eaten but used a a training puppet to train the Ant army. I didn't like it I definitely frowned upon it he should have stayed dead..It doesn't make sense And speculating the tree of life or a soul transfer is too big of a Hypothesis since we don't know anything about this so called ability and it sounds more of a Specialty thecnique.

Well its possible. Kite's a conjurer, right ? Conjurers and Manipulators are the two most likely to become Specialist later in life since there are next to it in the Hatsu chart.

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

@GingFuriksu it's possible but he wasn't so......Togashi just obviously wanted to bring back a highly appreciated character and decided to give him such an ability. I just frown upon his return in this manner makes Gon Sacraficing everything for that form pointless.

 

[Phantron]

Biscuit's youth is only an appearance. She is not actually that young or she wouldn't have been tempted to get the reverse aging item from GI instead of Blue Planet. You can slow down aging but you can't reverse it (outside of the GI item). Netero lost a considerable part of his physical power due to aging. Of course even if you could reliably reverse aging (obviously not possible, as Netero's considered impossibly old and he's about 120) that's nowhere close to being able to outright cheat death.

It is not remotely possible to have a 'sword that can cut through anything'. Such a weapon would've been rather useful against Meryem had it existed, but it does not. This is flat out beyond the capability of aura. It has nothing to do with how dedicated or how strong a restriction you put on something, because 'anything' is just too broad. Meryem will almost certainly break through Chain Jail even if he joined the Spiders. You can get to 'good enough' because Chain Jail can hold Ubogin and Meryem isn't actually part of the Spiders, so even though there exists people who are strong enough to break it, from Kurapika's point of view it's as good as unbreakable because all the guys who can break it aren't people he's interested in.

In HXH and fiction the distinction between almost dead and dead is huge. Pitou can recover almost any wounds on someone who is on the verge of death but once they're dead he can't do anything beyond making sure the body doesn't decompose. Archangel cannot bring back the dead either. Even spirit is a far out concept in HXH. Kuroro asked Neon if she believed in life after death, and it's clearly just a viewpoint question, i.e. neither know the answer to that and this is someone who probably has seen everything on the dark side of humanity. If it was at all possible for someone's spirit to possess another host, Kuroro should be conducting some ancient ritual or something to bind Ubogin's spirit to something else, instead of sending him off on a requiem.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

@GingFuriksu it's possible but he wasn't so......Togashi just obviously wanted to bring back a highly appreciated character and decided to give him such an ability. I just frown upon his return in this manner makes Gon Sacraficing everything for that form pointless.

Nah it wasn't pointless at all. BECAUSE of that, Gon is a waaay better character now. He developed a lot, and that's what matters.

 

[futurefrog]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

Nah I agree with everybody that Dislike's him coming back as the Queen's second child. It's Simply Togashi bringing back a Liked Character through PIS( Plot Induced Story). We know Kite had a Conjuerer Ability Roulette weapon sort of thing. SO this ability Ging was talking about is PIS if yo ask me. We know Nen becomes stronger in death...Pitou perfect example she died but had an puppet ability that could move her body so she could still fight you in her death, and be much stronger.....But Kite's non explained Nen ability doesn't make sense especially since he wasn't eaten but used a a training puppet to train the Ant army. I didn't like it I definitely frowned upon it he should have stayed dead..It doesn't make sense And speculating the tree of life or a soul transfer is too big of a Hypothesis since we don't know anything about this so called ability and it sounds more of a Specialty thecnique.

I completely disagree. Kite coming back was not because he is a fan favourite. If that was the case why would he bring Kite back as a little girl? Why not bring him back in the form he is known for? The reason is Togashi brought him back for a number of reasons the most obvious of which are:

1. Gon didn't want to live in a world without Kite (his mentor/father figure), this evident by the way he sacrifices his life in order to avenge him. He didn't want to live. So if Killua saves Gon but Kite wasn't back to life, Gon would still be a mess psychologically and may even be suicidal and still feel to blame despite avenging Kite. When he speaks with Kite in Election arc, you can see that it means a lot to Gon and frees him of the weight that was on his shoulders.

2. Secondly it gives Togashi a reason to dive into the theme of 'souls' and what exactly they mean in the world of HxH. It of course ties in with the World Tree which is the gateway of souls and it also provides us an understanding of where the dead in HxH go. I feel that Togashi will explore 'souls' more in the future and Kite will be a large part of that.

@GingFuriksu it's possible but he wasn't so......Togashi just obviously wanted to bring back a highly appreciated character and decided to give him such an ability. I just frown upon his return in this manner makes Gon Sacraficing everything for that form pointless.

If you think of his roulette wheel ability it is highly possible that he would have an ability that would transfer his soul after death. He has an ability called the Grim Reaper dance in which his crazy slots becomes a scythe. It is known that his crazy slot has a contract on it that he cannot choose which ability appears, in exchange it makes each weapon as powerful as his nen can muster. Now if there is one slot which is revival, I would imagine that it is highly possible within the limits of his ability.

It does not make Gon's sacrifice pointless at all and if Togashi didn't like killing popular characters then why is Netero still dead? Kite was revived in order to explore what happens with life and death in the HxH world at least that is my theory on it.

 

[GingFuriksu]

Re: How did Kite come back to life as an ant ? ( or better yet, at all )

I completely disagree. Kite coming back was not because he is a fan favourite. If that was the case why would he bring Kite back as a little girl? Why not bring him back in the form he is known for? The reason is Togashi brought him back for a number of reasons the most obvious of which are:

1. Gon didn't want to live in a world without Kite (his mentor/father figure), this evident by the way he sacrifices his life in order to avenge him. He didn't want to live. So if Killua saves Gon but Kite wasn't back to life, Gon would still be a mess psychologically and may even be suicidal and still feel to blame despite avenging Kite. When he speaks with Kite in Election arc, you can see that it means a lot to Gon and frees him of the weight that was on his shoulders.

2. Secondly it gives Togashi a reason to dive into the theme of 'souls' and what exactly they mean in the world of HxH. It of course ties in with the World Tree which is the gateway of souls and it also provides us an understanding of where the dead in HxH go. I feel that Togashi will explore 'souls' more in the future and Kite will be a large part of that.



If you think of his roulette wheel ability it is highly possible that he would have an ability that would transfer his soul after death. He has an ability called the Grim Reaper dance in which his crazy slots becomes a scythe. It is known that his crazy slot has a contract on it that he cannot choose which ability appears, in exchange it makes each weapon as powerful as his nen can muster. Now if there is one slot which is revival, I would imagine that it is highly possible within the limits of his ability.

It does not make Gon's sacrifice pointless at all and if Togashi didn't like killing popular characters then why is Netero still dead? Kite was revived in order to explore what happens with life and death in the HxH world.

Damn... good point, I didn't even think of that With the whole not being able to choose what you want; that totally slipped my mind, hmm.. interesting.

I agree with Togashi bringing back Kite to explore souls and not because he's a fan favorite. Togashi doesn't give a f*ck if you like a character xD If he wants to kill them off, he will.

 

[dougbp]

And another reason that Kaito was revived is that Gon has a purpose now. Ging told Gon that he must train a lot to be able to protect Kaito. And that's a great "shake" on Gon's life. Gon will be training to be able to protect his friends and not letting them die.

 

[Phantron]

The restriction on conditions do not allow you to exceed the inherent limitation of aura. Making a sword that can cut through ANYTHING is impossible no matter how much restriction you have on it. Making a sword that is strong enough to cut through Meryem is theoractically possible, but if the condition required is that you got to sacrifice your life and it only works on a lunar eclipse following a certain alignment of the planets, then it isn't going to be very useful because unlike most manga there is no Stormtrooper effect in HXH (the more unlikely an event is supposed to happen, the more likely it will actually happen, and vice versa). Had someone really developed such an ability it'd just be 'oops no lunar eclipse today' and that guy would've wasted his life for nothing.

Likewise randomization isn't even that much of a restriction. You can't even do something like trade your life to bring someone else back to life in HXH (if it's that easy, someone would've done it already) so if having 100% chance to lose someone else's life can't bring back the dead why should any amount of randomization be sufficient? As an aside I saw fan made strip showing how Ging can revive everyone that died thus far by using the item from GI where you give 1000 (or was it 100) wishes and 3 of them will be fulfilled at random, by simply going:

Wish 1: Resurrect everyone at location A
Wish 2: Resurrect everyone at location B
...
Wish 1000: Resurrect everyone at location ZZZ

And this demonstrates the absurdity of the 'restriction' concept in HXH. There's obviously no way this could actually work and yes the item does have a 'no wish flooding' but it's not like it'd be that hard to come up with 1000 unique things that cannot possibly be accomplished by limitation of humanity.

Seriously Kite can't be the first person to realize 'it'd be really nice if I didn't have to die'. If it's at all possible to cheat death you'd be in a world where longdead aura users just possess people or live in another body or whatever. The Zodiac cannot just consult the ghost of Netero to see if Beyond Netero is really his son. While there does seem to be some kind of netherworld in HXH, the ability to interact with it is well outside the limitation of aura.