How did the admirals become so strong?

[dtyk]

I have thought of this question for quite some time.

How did the admirals become so strong? What kind of training would they most likely have undergone? Rokushiki training? Haki training? Training up their own devil fruit abilities?

On the other hand, don't NW pirates train as well? Conquering territories and trying to best one another in battle? Through this endeavour, I expect their combat skills to, per se, "level up."

Yet, at the marineford arc, we see how little the pirates fared against the admirals (except for Whitebeard, that is). Marco and Jozu were, frankly, quite pathetic. What more about Ace? Assumingly he had haki (colour of armaments), he could HAVE put up a defense against Akainu. But what we see is Akainu completely curbstomping him. Assuming Akainu's COA haki overpowering Ace's COA, what MADE Akainu have a higher degree of control of COA over Ace? Was "Ace" slacking as a fighter? Or is it the admirals have been trying to perfect their art?

Another alternative explanation that I can think of is that the admirals are fast learners? I spoke about this issue to a friend before, and he suggested that as the admirals are physically older in age, that could have explained the perfecting of their abilities. If so, what is the limiting factor on age then? We know that Whitebeard fought at marineford with some of his power diminished due to old age, so then, to what age will one's physical prowess diminish? However, Whitebeard still retains much of his strength though, to be considered a threat.

Another way to phrase my question is "why can't anyone chase up to the admiral's level and stand toe-to-toe with them?"

Okay, enough ranting for now. I think I'm thinking too much. XD

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

Most likely it is because the Admirals have more years of experience with their Devil Fruits and Haki and train themselves more constantly. Ace might have had his Devil Fruit's power only for a maximum of 3 years, whereras Akainu could have had his Devil Fruit's power for over 20 years.

Also, the Marines might have purposefully included Haki and Rokushiki training to their thousands of new recruits, whereas only some single Pirates train it on their own or get training from someone strong.

 

[kkck]

I think they were talented people who trained regularly. With time they developed their DF abilities and with experience came haki. I don't think there is much to the story.

 

[malgranda]

I suspect pirates get strong mainly by doing adventures and stuff, and marines get strong by being trained by great retired marines - so pirates rediscover strength all the time while marines inherit strength of their predecessors.

 

[kkck]

Well, the strawhats at least do train regularly as far as I can tell, even before the timeskip. We have actually seen zoro training on the ship and we have also seen ussop making stuff while on it. The strawhats, like most other pirates, spend most of their time at sea. I would think they train quite a bit while at it. As for the admirals and marines, I think they train regularly as we saw with coby and helmepo and being out at sea fighting pirates does not hurt either.

 

[elitefox]

Well see the age difference and how Ace was beat up and weakened before the fight

he might match akainu if he is 2 years and in full health

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Experience.
And @elitefox i dont think that Ace can even with Akainu even if hes in top form.Like Akainu said.Magma>Fire.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I'd say that the Admirals are powerful because of their experience and especially Devil Fruits. Their DFs are pretty powerful, maybe among several most powerful in OP world. Also they had plenty of time to train their DFs, about 20 or more years. About their fisical capacities, martial arts or Haki... I wouldn't say that it is really great, cause they didn't show it. A bit of CoA Haki, but also not that much to consider it powerful.

 

[Dark God Zeus]

Generally the "evil" villains focus on training to become strong, gaining power to complete their goal. He's had years of pure "absolute justice" training beaten into him, years of training with his devil fruit, knowledge of haki/devil fruits (He knew that magma would burn through fire, he also seemed to heal after Marco and Vista's haki attack);

 

[P.I.E.86]

I dunno if there's a hierarchy within the admirals but Rayleigh did make Kizaru try and eventually got away from him.

"why can't anyone chase up to the admiral's level and stand toe-to-toe with them?"

To answer your question I think the only people that can stand up to admirals are legends just like Reyleigh, Dragon, and Shanks. Whether they can beat them though is another question. All I know is that when rubber and magma collide there's gonna be one hell of a fight.

 

[Poneglyph420]

How you ask..? By getting their butts kicked by the legends of the old Era.
Then Garp would laugh at them..
So they trained a bunch and now they are a 3 man wrecking crew..

Garp's not laughing any more.

 

[luffyg2]

Probably a mix of talent, experience, training and luck ... i say luck because all three of them have gread DF ..mater of fact they have some of the strongest logia DF we've seen

 

[Amazeroth]

Experience.
And @elitefox i dont think that Ace can even with Akainu even if hes in top form.Like Akainu said.Magma>Fire.

I think Ace could easily be as strong as Akainu, but only with much much more experience and training. He was way too young, I think.

Things like "Magma>Fire" don't count for much, because there are other ways of being very strong, like haki. Just look at Rayleigh, he did easily fight Kizaru without use of any DF. So Ace could fight Akainu too, he was just missing experience and training.

 

[Uriel]

Also we saw how Beckman and Shanks can easily stand toe-to-toe with admirals without having (Presumably, at least Shanks is for sure) any DF.

Many people have "Pokemon" logic so they try to understand the battle as "Stronger always win" forgetting that this is ADVENTURE manga and situations counts LOTS. Mood, context, moral and other stuff influence the battle all the time. And in the war that was current currency, we couldn't see all the fights and know that Marco and Jozu were highly participative on them (I kinda hate when people say they were lacking without thinking about factors)

Anyway, to the point: As Luffy trains now, as Coby trains now: Find a master, practice, rinse and repeat.

 

[shinsengumi]

well i think its not that admirals became so strong but the strong ones became admirals

 

[Freid]

Shinsengumi is correct. The admirals just have more potential than those that are unable to become as strong as them. That is why there are varying power levels in One Piece; the potential between each person simply differs. CP9 for example, underwent far more vigorous training than any Strawhat, but was ultimately still defeated by the almost limitless potential of the Strawhats.

 

[Haynes]

I have thought of this question for quite some time.

How did the admirals become so strong? What kind of training would they most likely have undergone? Rokushiki training? Haki training? Training up their own devil fruit abilities?

On the other hand, don't NW pirates train as well? Conquering territories and trying to best one another in battle? Through this endeavour, I expect their combat skills to, per se, "level up."

Yet, at the marineford arc, we see how little the pirates fared against the admirals (except for Whitebeard, that is). Marco and Jozu were, frankly, quite pathetic. What more about Ace? Assumingly he had haki (colour of armaments), he could HAVE put up a defense against Akainu. But what we see is Akainu completely curbstomping him. Assuming Akainu's COA haki overpowering Ace's COA, what MADE Akainu have a higher degree of control of COA over Ace? Was "Ace" slacking as a fighter? Or is it the admirals have been trying to perfect their art?

Another alternative explanation that I can think of is that the admirals are fast learners? I spoke about this issue to a friend before, and he suggested that as the admirals are physically older in age, that could have explained the perfecting of their abilities. If so, what is the limiting factor on age then? We know that Whitebeard fought at marineford with some of his power diminished due to old age, so then, to what age will one's physical prowess diminish? However, Whitebeard still retains much of his strength though, to be considered a threat.

Another way to phrase my question is "why can't anyone chase up to the admiral's level and stand toe-to-toe with them?"

Okay, enough ranting for now. I think I'm thinking too much. XD

We know that Vice Admirals have Haki, so the Admirals have Haki as well. They all have Logia devil fruits. We've seen other Marines (mainly Vice Admirals) use Rokushiki. So the Admirals probably know it as well. They had the previous Admirals and Admiral level fighters to look up to and perhaps be trained by. Plus there are only 3 of them, and a bunch of Vice Admirals and with the VA's performance, I'd personally say there's a good size gap between the two. Meaning that they are typically the strongest Marines.

So naturally only a select few even have the potential to stand up to an Admiral. Because the Admirals are a select few.

Aokiji had his devil fruit back during the Ohara Buster Call. As for Kizaru and Akainu we don't know how long they've had theirs. But we can assume they've had it for quite a while. They've had time to train their devil fruits.

I think Ace could easily be as strong as Akainu, but only with much much more experience and training. He was way too young, I think.

Things like "Magma>Fire" don't count for much, because there are other ways of being very strong, like haki. Just look at Rayleigh, he did easily fight Kizaru without use of any DF. So Ace could fight Akainu too, he was just missing experience and training.

Magama>Fire is a very important variable. As was said by Akainu, "Magama consumes Fire". This whole Haki thing (mainly CoA) isn't all that impressive right now because we haven't seen it too much. Plus just because you have Haki doesn't mean that you can hurt a logia. Look at Marco and Vista, sure they "cut" Akainu, but he just healed. Whitebeard used his Haki to stop Kizaru from attacking Luffy, it didn't hurt Kizaru. It only gives the potential, nothing more.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Theres probably more to haki then we now.Gotta wait for Oda to reveal it.

For me i think its the "level and amount" of haki.For example WB could damage akainu with his CoA while marco and vista could just "cut" him.This goes to say WB CoA is of a higher level then marco/vista or WB used more CoA when he decided to attack akainu,more then he did when he tried to attack kizaru.
As rayleigh said.CoA and CoO CAN be trained.So logically WB as an older guy had more time to train them.

 

[Shuusui]

Theres probably more to haki then we now.Gotta wait for Oda to reveal it.

For me i think its the "level and amount" of haki.For example WB could damage akainu with his CoA while marco and vista could just "cut" him.This goes to say WB CoA is of a higher level then marco/vista or WB used more CoA when he decided to attack akainu,more then he did when he tried to attack kizaru.
As rayleigh said.CoA and CoO CAN be trained.So logically WB as an older guy had more time to train them.

i think it's about to notice the attacks,
when wb attack akainu, akainu try to pass marco
and he got hit from behind, then he give serious wound to whitebeard
but when marco attack to admiral they know ,where it come from and take precaution with COA
or whitebeard stabbed with spear both aokiji and kizaru, didn't hurt them
even marco and vista attack to gather , then akainu said ; ''ahh!!''
i think admirals are very strong
even dark king rayleigh can't defeat kizaru and sweat against him...

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

i think it's about to notice the attacks,
when wb attack akainu, akainu try to pass marco
and he got hit from behind, then he give serious wound to whitebeard
but when marco attack to admiral they know ,where it come from and take precaution with COA
or whitebeard stabbed with spear both aokiji and kizaru, didn't hurt them
even marco and vista attack to gather , then akainu said ; ''ahh!!''
i think admirals are very strong
even dark king rayleigh can't defeat kizaru and sweat against him...

Impossible.If they knew that the attacks were coming and "evaded" the attacks, wouldn't that make Logia users invincible as long as they keep training their CoO?The most obvious example would be Ace getting killed by Akainu.Ace knew that the attack was coming yet he couldn't let the attack pass through him.
It either has something to do with the "amount and level" of Haki used or its something Oda have installed for us