How does the next great war start?

[kkck]

I am hoping this will be a sort of long lived thread. During the first part of the manga we saw how events slowly unfolded into what would be the great war of their time between Whitebeard and the Marines. It all started when luffy and ace left their town to become pirates. And then things escalated pretty quickly...

There are two independent events with jointly put the gears in motion. First is BB murdering Zatch, the commander of the 4th division in WB's crew. This gets him a powerful fruit and causes ace to begin his pursuit of BB.

The other event is luffy's defeat of crocodile. This earns him a 100 million bounty. The defeat of crocodile leaves a spot among the shichibukai opened. A spot which BB will come to want. Just as BB decides that the best way to get his hand on the position is to defeat luffy he runs into ace who learns of this and instead decides to fight BB to protect luffy and finally avenge his fallen comrade. Ace looses and WB starts moving to fight the world government to prevent ace's eventual execution.

Now in the current half of the series the implication is that there will be a great war and sides are already beginning to make their movies. Even before the strawhats returned the implication is that basically every relevant party is in an arms race to increase their power and influence while drawing minimal attention.

And now it seems like things are going to escalate. Defeating doflamingo has deep consequences. He is at the heart of many wars as an arms supplier, king of a nation and perhaps more importantly as a supplier of a yonko. His defeat will be felt through the new world in an unprecedented manner. It will set the stage for every marine, pirate and government official to eventually wage war against everyone basically.

However the question is... How is the war actually triggered? Last time things built up for it but the final card was ace being captured. What will be the equivalent to that? What will be what draws everyone to the front where they will have the greatest and most atrocious war the world has ever seen?

Will perhaps sabo be captured? Which would perhaps draw in the revolutionary army, luffy and every ally luffy can draw? Will it perhaps be an ancient weapon? As in one being located which has the yonko, government, revolutionaries and pirates engage in a massive free for all for the sake of ultimate power? Any other thoughts?

 

[ShenGao]

I think the main trigger was already shown: The decision who becomes the next fleet Admiral after Sengoku.
Sengoku wanted Aokiji to be the next one, other parts of the Marine/World Government wanted Akainu. The fight to decide who will become it lead to:
- Punk Hazard becoming the frozen + burning hell it is now
- allowing DD and Ceasar to make the experiments and create man-made Devil Fruits
- providing Kaido with a Zoan army
- Akainu as the winner building a new kind of Marine with a different sense of justice that is even trying to slowly get rid of the Shichibukai system
- and lastly Aokiji going his (unknown) way.

Now there is a Marine fleet that will try everything possible to get rid of the evil known as pirates and tries to turn their "allies" known as Shichibukai into enemies, an Emperor with an army of Zoan fruit users, a strong former Admiral who has his own plans and a pirate crew that pissed off 2 Emperors (Kaido and Big Mom) and is enemies of a third Emperor (Blackbeard) because of personal circumstances (Ace). And the last faction, the revolution army, still didn't do anything noteworthy.

 

[Fox666]

However the question is... How is the war actually triggered? Last time things built up for it but the final card was ace being captured. What will be the equivalent to that? What will be what draws everyone to the front where they will have the greatest and most atrocious war the world has ever seen?

The Void Century. Before the time-skip, the war culminated when the Strawhats reached the Red Line. We should expect this to happen again when they finally get close to Raftel. That would also involve the Yonko who control the New World, the Marines who can cross the Calm Belt, and naturally the Revolutionary Army.

 

[M3J]

I think the war will start when the Marines either get close to getting Dragon/Revolutionary Army or when one of the Supernovas start going crazy. I can also see a war between Yonkou, probably with Supernova as alliances.

 

[StrawHat 13]

2 answers to this;
1. Its already happening on Dressrosa. though the less likely of the two events i see happening, it is possible that the birdcage is having a two fold effect, keeping people (and the plot) in, at the same time keeping us readers (and characters) blind to outside events. We know big mom was on the shores of the island, we know kaido wants to protect/kill doffy and the smiles-he may show up, the marines seem hell bent on finding and killing them, so Akinu may bring his forces, shanks of course would want to play a part (seems aware of other yonkou's moves, prevented kaido from attacking wb before the war), and BB has a scout in Burgess already on the island, o and the revolutionaries second in command is already on the island-sure Dragon could show up as well. That all being said, its not likely, at all, like 10% chance.
2. The most likely scenario, the war will occur when the revire(?) Happens. This is the meeting that takes place every 4 years and is an assembly of all nations of the WG, iirc. Ever since FI arc, when it was mentioned, I've had it stucknin my mind that this will be the moment when past nations (like Alabastar) officially and publicly show their support and affiliation with the SHs, its the only opportunity i see for a war that involves the whole world. its a long way off, and i imagine the shs have to learn the true history of the void century and reach raftel before Luffy is finally motivated to aim his anger at the WG and head to merjios during the revire. Personally i like to give this option a 60% chance, only because I don't see it happening any other way.

 

[keeper1h]

Its already happening on Dressrosa. though the less likely of the two events i see happening, it is possible that the birdcage is having a two fold effect, keeping people (and the plot) in, at the same time keeping us readers (and characters) blind to outside events.

Thanks for this.

To me, the next big war will be the one against kaido, and the trigger will be Chopper's kidnapping (once he'll be known as the shapeshifting "monster" he has became).
Kaido is a big threat, not only for other yonkos, but for the World Government too: One Piece must not be found, maybe the Tenryuubitos are even trying to steal/destroy it, or maybe it's so dangerous having someone around it that they don't even want anyone to steal it for them (like poneygliphs: jinbe ministory shows that they can be moved, so why they aren't all in Mariejois?).

They refused to move against Whitebeard until forced by circumstances because clearly he wasn't interested by Raftel, and his mere presence was enough to keep in check most of the emerging pirates. But when Ace joined him, WG thinked that Whitebeard was going to help him to become the next Pirate King, and when Blackbeard handed Ace to them they had no choice but try to kill WB.
After all, if they killed Ace without Whitebeard... the only thing they would have obtained would have been "the closest man to One Piece" trying to reach it for vengeance.

Kaido is amassing a zoan army, no one will be pleased by the news that every single zoan soldier is going to use Rumble Balls. Enough to involve all the forces in a war, exept Blackbeard that is amassing devil fruits for the same purpose (and like McKayla, is not impressed by Kaido).

 

[kkck]

Well, things are already clearly in motion but what I thought would be fun to predict would be the specific event which gets everyone to rally. Sure, things at dressrosa will eventually lead to the war but the war itself has not yet been triggered so to speak. Shit has not yet hit the fan if you will. The specific event which lead to WB rallying to fight the world government was ace's capture and execution. Doflamingo will fall, that will affect the yonko, pirates, WG and many other nations and then something will happen that will make them rally to fight each other somewhere for some reason. Realistically speaking it could be anything but it'd be fun to consider possibilities.

A few other things that might be relevant:

Caribou found out the mermaid princess is the ancient weapon and he is prancing around like an asshole. He might spill the information at any point.
Mononosuke seems to be of extreme importance to the plot. Assuming he is related to wano's shogunate he might be relevant here considering he is the leader of a nation that has somehow managed to remain at the margin of the world government and yonko.

 

[DanteStrauss]

My bet is on Akainu, he will do something that will require immediate attention from Luffy. And this might be how the manga ends as well. Since Marineford I always felt it would all come down to a war on that scale, but now instead of WB and his allies would be Luffy along with all the people he connected to during the series...
Now what that exactly thing might be, I don't know, maybe some sick alliance with Blackbeard - doesn't fit Akainu's style AT ALL but who knows... He might try to use BB as a weapon or something... Or, on that note we might finally be able to see something related to the lost century...

 

[I Am Atomic]

The WG will try to do something stupid which will enrage all others of – Revolutionaries and Pirates.

 

[Holt]

Well a number of things could bring this about so it's a bit more complicated than Ace's time. The obvious options would be taking down a yonko. Things are very well in motion but I don't think anyone would be too hasty. For a grand war like that, Yonko (s) or perhaps the Revolutionaries have to be involved. The SN are teaming up to take on separate yonko and I think the real trigger would be the defeat of one. I don't really think the Kings of the WC are important enough for the world to be launched into a full scale war on their behalf so if the war comes from something like that, I'm leaning towards it being a tenryubito that is killed or so. Attacking a Tenryubito warrants an admiral being sent, killing one would get the full attention of the WG. I don't think the revolutionaries would play that way though. The Yonko also probably wouldn't bother themselves with that imo and the SN have their hands full planning to upstage the yonko.

The most important death's which I can see leading to a grand war would be that of either Luffy, Sabo/Dragon, a yonko or a Tenryubito. It could very well be Dragon's death or capture that could trigger it. He is the most wanted man and the biggest thorn in the WG's side.

 

[Mighty Action X]

The next great is going to happen after the Dressrosa and FI incident. Kaido will be hunting Luffy because of destroying his SMILES and Big Mom because of the bomb on the treasure chest. It will surely be a three way war between the 2 Yonkou vs Luffy and his allies.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

As Whitebeard said in his last words, the war will happen after One Piece is found, so I don't expect the Yonko to be part of it. Shanks may follow Luffy's command as a pirate crew's captain but do not expect the Yonko system to live on after Luffy becomes Pirate King. Don't forget the whole game of New World is to bring them down.

This fight will happen between the Pirate King and his allies and the World Government and Marines. The revolutionaries will play a major role in this saga though I have no idea how they will interact between the two belligerents. They may oppose Luffy's plan if it destroys any possibility of any form of World Government.

This war will happen 1 year after Luffy first went to Fishman Island since Madame Shirley predicted Luffy would destroy the island one year later. This timing is perfect for the war to happen because the next Reverie will happen next year too. The kings will be all gathered and able to plan something to respond to Luffy's plan.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

One thing that concerns me is we've heard nothing about WB's or shall I say Marco's crew now as he's the leader or did they disband? It seems there's been a lot of assumptions that Blackbeard is the final Yonko or just mine due to ignorance. There's a 4th position to fill due to WB's death or more territory to claim which could be a catalyst to the upcoming war.

The way things look, Marco and co. are likely to attempt to retain a hold of WB's territories; Blackbeard is possibly trying to gather DFs and possibly form his own crew of DF users besides taking more for himself; Big Mom quite likely trying to extend her territory since it means more Candy and then you have the SHs right in the centre of everything. This is very likely to converge into a war.

As for the Marines, why not allow the pirates to all kill each other off and strike when they're all relatively weak? If I remember correctly, it seems the Gorosei or elders want to wait and see how the New World develops especially with BB being a new force to be reckoned with which they made mention of.

 

[Taraku]

Well, we would see a war quite similar to the last one if Luffy was to be captured. This would summon Dragon and his revolutionaries, Ivankov and his okamas, Luffy's crew, Luffy's allies and ultimately Shanks... but that would be boring, so I'd say taking on a Yonko or even bringing down one will result in war.

 

[alisdfd]

the next gear is momonosuke. His kidnapping will lead to a war against kaido by luffy. The navy will be there in order to capture all

 

[kkck]

I wonder if the fight between sabo and burguez would have influence here. Assuming sabo wins.... it would make sense for burguez to be captured. In which case BB would potentially make a move. Though it does not seem like this alone would drag a lot of forces in. Well, it would put BB against the revolutionaries but BB would have to draw them out to do something and nothing so far seems to suggest they would move against BB.

 

[I Am Atomic]

I thought the war started when Luffy rang the ox-bell 16 times....

 

[Holt]

I wonder if the fight between sabo and burguez would have influence here. Assuming sabo wins.... it would make sense for burguez to be captured. In which case BB would potentially make a move. Though it does not seem like this alone would drag a lot of forces in. Well, it would put BB against the revolutionaries but BB would have to draw them out to do something and nothing so far seems to suggest they would move against BB.

I guess the bigger move will be if Sabo is captured by someone. Very unlikely but I don't think Burgess' capture would be enough to trigger a huge war.

 

[Xguard]

BB had plotted the war between the WG and WB. Also the next war will be plotted by him.
BB and the gang steal devil fruit from the others, so I think this will be related to the One Piece.
May be to get One Piece he has to collect some DF using it as a key or even collect all of DF(let other DF to kill each other and steal them later).

And BB will use many tricks to lure WG, Yonkou and Revolutionaries to fight against each other. Maybe by using the secret of the ancient weapon,Poneglyphs, Celestrial dragon and the information about void centuries, he may use these to trick, lure or blackmail WG, Revolutionaries and Yonkou(maybe start with Shanks) to fight each other and this will let him to get close to One Piece. However, his plan was interrupt by Luffy and Supernova. Maybe Shanks was in trouble or even died and Luffy has to choose that will he save Shanks/revenge for Shanks? or try his best to get One Piece before BB and ignore Shanks(or to be more polite, to trust in Shanks :P)?

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

BB had plotted the war between the WG and WB. Also the next war will be plotted by him.
BB and the gang steal devil fruit from the others, so I think this will be related to the One Piece.
May be to get One Piece he has to collect some DF using it as a key or even collect all of DF(let other DF to kill each other and steal them later).

And BB will use many tricks to lure WG, Yonkou and Revolutionaries to fight against each other. Maybe by using the secret of the ancient weapon,Poneglyphs, Celestrial dragon and the information about void centuries, he may use these to trick, lure or blackmail WG, Revolutionaries and Yonkou(maybe start with Shanks) to fight each other and this will let him to get close to One Piece. However, his plan was interrupt by Luffy and Supernova. Maybe Shanks was in trouble or even died and Luffy has to choose that will he save Shanks/revenge for Shanks? or try his best to get One Piece before BB and ignore Shanks(or to be more polite, to trust in Shanks :P)?

Blackbeard takes advantage through chaos, he'd never have been able to get the Gura Gura No Mi on his own for sure. I'd imagine he's going to kill subordinates from both Big Mom, Kaido and Shank's crew to instigate a war.

They'll each want to take the responsibility of killing him like WB wanted when Shanks offered to take it up and spare Ace's inevitable death. The WG will take advantage of the chaos too with BB appearing when they're all weakened for whatever plan he's scheming.