How many FHs does it take to beat Urek?

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It's still hard to gauge how Urek compares to them. We know Urek matched Hon, we know he can punch through Disconnection (though, not forever against a full powered one). But is shinsoo enough to beat them or he would need to use the Light? That's a question we'll see If he fights V.

If Urek using shinsoo can beat the weakened versions of Traumerei and Gustang, but could he beat them at full healthy with only shinsoo? we don't know. SIU is playing safe and he can make Urek as strong as he needs him to be. He surprised V with his speed, so is Urek already stronger than Prime V even without using Light? We don't know. V can just be guessing by feeling Urek more close, just like Hon probably felt Urek had some hidden power he was not using during their clashes.

I don’t think it’s anything too crazy to be honest. The top irregulars in tog for example, their full power is at least several times above their basic shinsoo reinforcement forms. So maybe V sensed urek’s power in his basic reinforcement form, and then assumed urek had special artifacts/weapons and/or transformations(like internal shinsoo quality control) on top of his base form like his former irregular teammates and himself, and then estimated urek’s full power. Maybe that’s why hon thought urek was much better, urek fights with no additional artifacts/weapons or anything like that. I don’t think V or anyone else ever sensed urek’s outside powers. Urek seems secretive about that.

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Gustang is not terrified against Urek, so I can understand the logic behind this, but I found it unlikely. Not to mention he was just punching through disconnection and stuff so yeah.



Disregarding the shinwonryu hack Luslec is around FH power level obviously. Lorewise this does not amount to much as practically Luslec can't do anything against them from what we have seen, hopefully this will not be the case.

As I stated above man, it is not impossible for Gustang having a counter against Shiny power, but very very unlikely. Maybe this will be unfolded if Urek actually uses his powers and FHs or Admins or others will start to have a way to deal with it or anything of sort. We'll see, but I understand your reaction.

One last thing, I am almost sure Urek never killed anyone of Dark status or anything, he is so pure, "not killing" man.

Even without shinwonryu, I still believe that luslec is getting low diffed/no diffed by any fh.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Even without shinwonryu, I still believe that luslec is getting low diffed/no diffed by any fh.

Luslec pushes weak gustang to lower end of high diff imo.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Luslec pushes weak gustang to lower end of high diff imo.

Shinwonryu is the only counter FHs have over Luslec.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Shinwonryu is the only counter FHs have over Luslec.

Well that and also being tiers above him in power, Gustang having reality and spells in his grasp and having defeated Arlene in the past as he hinted towards Baam.

Traum's excess aura alone negating Luslec's spells unintentionally from far away and the other top family heads are far above him in that category.


Blossoms flames being beyond busted even with a small spark.


There's kind of a lot to go by here but ehn.

 

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Shinwonryu is the only counter FHs have over Luslec.

Nothing suggests that though. In fact, there is more evidence that supports the contrary. The Family heads still have insane hax and they have the clear raw power advantage over luslec to imo. We saw in the flashback that hon and traumerei both neg diffed luslec while they were already in nerfed forms(hon didn't even use his real sword, plus who knows if he has an advanced reinforcement techqnue like jahad,eduan, and luslec that allows him to exceed his base form, and traumerei on the other hand only attacked him with one of his weaker creatures lol). Yes, luslec has become way stronger since then, no doubt. But the family heads have also gotten stronger since then. Traumerei did not even have disconnect several thousands of years ago and hon has been practicing since then. Plus people in tog become stronger over time naturally. Even if luslec grew a lot more than the fhs since then, the gap should still be very big because once again, hon and traumerei were easily tens of times stronger than luslec back then. Like there is no way luslec is closing that ludicrous gap, especially while the fhs are still getting stronger.

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Luslec pushes weak gustang to lower end of high diff imo.

Luslec is getting low diffed by gustang even if he doesn't use blossom's flames imo. With blossom's flames, that's probably a neg diff ngl. I mean gustang and traumerei weren't fazed at all when luslec arrived in their presence, and they were heavily exhausted on top of that too. I haven't seen anything that indicates that luslec is near fh level, but we just have to wait and see. I don't know, maybe if adori can force a exhausted gustang to retreat or something next season, then I might be convinced on the top tower borns, but until then, I don't think the gap is close between them and the top irregulars.