How many FHs does it take to beat Urek?

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If you think my scaling is wrong feel free to correct me but this is how I see it. We have to first know how much stronger the top irregulars can get after they’re in 100% shinsoo reinforcement(no named attacks). We know that Eduan and Jahad both possess internal quality shinsoo control. We also know that redan(a type of quality control) can multiply the user's overall strength by several times. So this strength increase would most likely apply to eduan and jahad. Plus they have all their weaponry, artifacts, etc, that multiply their power beyond on that. Then of course you have the complex/named attacks. All of these components together might make a full power eduan and jahad at least 10 times stronger than their 100% basic shinsoo reinforcement state. All the other fh's should also have a similar increase past their base reinforcement state. We know an all out bam is over 50 times stronger than a base reinforcement baam, so a multiplier of 10x past base for irregulars doesn't seem outlandish at all. Now we know that urek in 100% reinforcement was comparable to blossom's true flames according to gustang. There is a high chance that blossom's true flame might have the highest attack power out of all the fh's according to the implications made by the statements from the blogposts and the story. Now If you don't agree with that, that's fine, but she's atleast 5th in attack power at the absolute lowest among the fhs. Now it's been implied in the blogposts that Urek's main fighting style is shooting beams of shinsoo at the speed of light. So close combat might not even be his true fighting style but even if we say that close combat is his true fighting style, the gap between a full power Urek and fhs like gustang and traumerei for example is still immense. Urek at a 100% shinsoo reinforcement with named attacks is clearly stronger than Traumerei and gustang individually. So Urek at full power(using his power source from the outside) is at least 10 times stronger than his 100% shinsoo reinforcement state. So Urek at full power could be around 12.5-16 times stronger(could be even higher if Urek's true fighting style isn't close combat) than gustang and traumerei individually. Now to compare, If Jahad is a 100, than the weakest fh is around a 32 at the absolute lowest imo. So going of this scailing, Urek can at least beat 5 fh's(any combination) and on the high end, he could beat all 10.

 

[sho87]

End of series baam and rachel and maybe Rak will beat him.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

idk. When he faced Hon, they were roughly on the same domain of power, Urek being the stronger one tho.

how much stronger did he get from then? Depending on that, a team up of the top 3 or none.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

I overestimated Urek.

 

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I overestimated Urek.

?
You mean the Urek that just entered the tower?

 

[Azumungus]

When Urek fought Luslec he didn't want to spend too much strength in this duel. Meaning he thought that the fight against 2 mid-low FH can be a bit tough. I think one top FH (Hon, Khun) + one mid FH should have a chances to beat Urek.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

It's still hard to gauge how Urek compares to them. We know Urek matched Hon, we know he can punch through Disconnection (though, not forever against a full powered one). But is shinsoo enough to beat them or he would need to use the Light? That's a question we'll see If he fights V.

If Urek using shinsoo can beat the weakened versions of Traumerei and Gustang, but could he beat them at full healthy with only shinsoo? we don't know. SIU is playing safe and he can make Urek as strong as he needs him to be. He surprised V with his speed, so is Urek already stronger than Prime V even without using Light? We don't know. V can just be guessing by feeling Urek more close, just like Hon probably felt Urek had some hidden power he was not using during their clashes.

 

[Aesanhard]

I say a three-man team could get it done. Eduan for ranged attack, Yurin for close combat, and a third like Gustang who fulfills wave control, spellcasting or general strategy.

Honestly, I think what the end of last season taught us wasn't pure powerscaling but that Urek can be baited, distracted, and stalled into failing objectives. He seemed to struggle because he kept on splitting his attention between the Sprout's pocket dimension and the Rev-PB-LPB warzone, with the occasional luslec spell cast at unlucky moments.

If you set up two objectives, each guarded by a family head, and have a third control the battlefield and confuse him, I think you can wear him down until he's jumpable by all three.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Considering we know now that there are people who can counter his light powers, somehow cause of Phanta, and Luslec probably also having similar dark powers, and Luslec only being roughly comparable to a family head, not equal.

I think the family heads have something to counter his shining powers to. Obviously 1 v 1 he wins, he is stronger than the strongest one, but maybe 3 is too much?

I think chapter 1 made a lot of us jump the gun on how special Urek is. Obviously, special as the only shining one in the good guys side, but now we know being a shining one doesn’t mean you are invincible.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Considering we know now that there are people who can counter his light powers,

Rahab countered his shinsoo with said special power, you didn't even read the last chap or this one properly did ya.


Urek's not using his peculiar powers, he flat out told us he doesn't wanna use em at all.


He hasn't been using it since he came here, only flexed a bit of it against Danzon and decided he doesn't wanna use em.

and Luslec probably also having similar dark powers, and Luslec only being roughly comparable to a family head, not equal.

How can you talk about jumping the gun and in the same breath say this?


Like what part of Urek's nonchalance he gave to said dark powers coulda possibly given the idea that Luslec has connections to Phanta or that he's as strong as a family head man.

I think the family heads have something to counter his shining powers to.

They don't even have anything to counter his basic shinsoo or reinforcement in pure base.

did we read the ssame chapter where he fought Traum and Gustang?


I'm also struggling to think why they'd even know Urek has special powers and also have counters for said powers, did Gustang give us any hints he knew anything at all?



Jeez.

 

[Demonspeed]

Considering we know now that there are people who can counter his light powers, somehow cause of Phanta, and Luslec probably also having similar dark powers, and Luslec only being roughly comparable to a family head, not equal.

I think the family heads have something to counter his shining powers to. Obviously 1 v 1 he wins, he is stronger than the strongest one, but maybe 3 is too much?

I think chapter 1 made a lot of us jump the gun on how special Urek is. Obviously, special as the only shining one in the good guys side, but now we know being a shining one doesn’t mean you are invincible.

There is nothing of the sort so far. It's not like Urek is limited to his Shining power too. His punches can destroy Blossom's flames, flames which burn even concepts. Theoretically, the only ability which can deal with it so far is Baam's Shinwonryu because it negates attacks.

What really changed with the SS is the estimation of Urek's potential and the details we have about his origins. The only characters arguably able to defeat him are still the same: Phanta, Enryu, Zahard and V. All the others lose for sure.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Zahard and V.

Even though I still don't understand what canonical showing or statement Zahard has to be arguably above Urek or on Urek's level even by narrative but, V???


Oh wait, you mean his statement about being unsure he could beat Urek in his prime.


Weird anyone take his statement as a word of god ngl even though has shown he couldn't look through Urek and thought him equals with Gustang and that he could beat both combined in a better state.


Really don't understand why it's arguable at all for both but most especially V.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Considering we know now that there are people who can counter his light powers, somehow cause of Phanta, and Luslec probably also having similar dark powers, and Luslec only being roughly comparable to a family head, not equal.

I think the family heads have something to counter his shining powers to. Obviously 1 v 1 he wins, he is stronger than the strongest one, but maybe 3 is too much?

I think chapter 1 made a lot of us jump the gun on how special Urek is. Obviously, special as the only shining one in the good guys side, but now we know being a shining one doesn’t mean you are invincible.

Urek has not used his shinning powers yet. If anything it is possible urek only using shinsoo is Zahard level and stacking his shinning power makes him beyond zahard level or even admins.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Oh yeah, another point I didn't consider is that Urek has obviously fought and killed some of Phanta's followers on the outside if he has experienced that power before and recognized it's similarities at a glance.


So even if they can possibly slightly counter him, it's useless because Urek's light is much stronger than anything they could possibly contain and hence him defeating their Darkness with said Light powers still.



It's a kinda pointless argument all round eitherway ngl.


Both Light and Darkness remain the only thing that can oppose each others abilities, but there's only two true heirs of said Light and Darkness hence why eventually they're the only thing that will be able to actually counter eachother down the line and not watered down lesser versions.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Urek has not used his shinning powers yet. If anything it is possible urek only using shinsoo is Zahard level and stacking his shinning power makes him beyond zahard level or even admins.

He hasn’t, but we know there are people who can counter his. So called light swallowers. Lame name, but oh well.

Latter opinion of yours is also invalid. Nothing of the sorts is really implied.

people have gotten their brain rot cause of chapter 1.

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There is nothing of the sort so far. It's not like Urek is limited to his Shining power too. His punches can destroy Blossom's flames, flames which burn even concepts. Theoretically, the only ability which can deal with it so far is Baam's Shinwonryu because it negates attacks.

What really changed with the SS is the estimation of Urek's potential and the details we have about his origins. The only characters arguably able to defeat him are still the same: Phanta, Enryu, Zahard and V. All the others lose for sure.

His potential is overblown.

all that was ever stated about him is that he is the only one who can stand against Phantaminum and his followers. Thats about it.

and it wasn’t Urek who was elevated in power, it was The concept of axis just no longer applying to Phanta. He pretty much is infinitely nerfed in comparison to his blog post version.

 

[Enkiduzz]

He hasn’t, but we know there are people who can counter his. So called light swallowers. Lame name, but oh well.

Latter opinion of yours is also invalid. Nothing of the sorts is really implied.

people have gotten their brain rot cause of chapter 1.

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His potential is overblown.

all that was ever stated about him is that he is the only one who can stand against Phantaminum and his followers. Thats about it.

and it wasn’t Urek who was elevated in power, it was The concept of axis just no longer applying to Phanta. He pretty much is infinitely nerfed in comparison to his blog post version.

The problem with Urek fans, and the ToG fandom in general, is that they don't quite understand what they're reading. Just read all the nonsense that Urek fan who always posts here says, and he says it with as much confidence as if he's right.

 

[Shadowlord123]

At this point, we lack way too much info to even begin making an assessment:

1. We don't have any clue how much Shinsu Reinforcement Urek was using against Gustang and Traumerei. Myself and many others like to speculate he was using 100%, but the truth is, we don't know. Maybe it wasn't even higher than what he used against Luslec. Or maybe it was somewhere in between these two positions. We don't have a way to tell.
   
   
2. We don't have any clue about how powerful Urek's techniques/sophisticated skills are. No idea about the raw power behind them, or what they could consist of. This is a big world that we don't know anything about. We've only seen Gorgon Fist and Scorching Fist of Death, but it's very likely he has more in the bag.
   
   
3. We don't have any way to gauge Urek's shining one power, his original power. How strong is it, and how does it scale compared to his current Shinsu control? Can he combine both to make something even more powerful? We don't know.
   
   
4. We don't know how weakened Traumerei and Gustang were at the point they fought Urek. Traumerei was said to be almost completely exhausted from fighting. Gustang didn't have any concrete statement like this, but he was likely on a similar boat. The wording suggests a severe nerf. Furthermore, it can be argued that neither of the two was at full power in that fight (Traumerei was missing Leviathan and many of the Shinheuhs of his BHs; and Gustang didn't use all of the abilities of his Head Librarians + Traumerei was pissed that he was toying around with him before going full power).
   
   
5. We don't know how the Family Heads themselves compare with each other. Blossom is suggested to be significantly better than Traumerei and Gustang right now, and she isn't even among the big 3 (Arie, Khun, and Ha) that are always especially hyped in some way or another.

So yeah, this is a complete sea of vagueness. We could perfectly go from "the weakest Head isn't that much weaker than Urek and can be a threat to him" to "the strongest Head is canon fodder material to Urek".

 

[Ray Barracuda]

The problem with Urek fans, and the ToG fandom in general, is that they don't quite understand what they're reading. Just read all the nonsense that Urek fan who always posts here says, and he says it with as much confidence as if he's right.

Wait a minute, i remeber you.


Aren't you the person who claimed Baam's gonna surpass Phantaminum even though he's nowhere close to being anything like him in nature?


Even before the nature thingy, the fact that there's absolutely nothing linking Baam and Phantaminum or the Darkness even.


Lulz, I love finding readers like this in the fandom.

 

[arrowofsky]

Considering we know now that there are people who can counter his light powers, somehow cause of Phanta, and Luslec probably also having similar dark powers, and Luslec only being roughly comparable to a family head, not equal.

I think the family heads have something to counter his shining powers to. Obviously 1 v 1 he wins, he is stronger than the strongest one, but maybe 3 is too much?

I think chapter 1 made a lot of us jump the gun on how special Urek is. Obviously, special as the only shining one in the good guys side, but now we know being a shining one doesn’t mean you are invincible.

Gustang is not terrified against Urek, so I can understand the logic behind this, but I found it unlikely. Not to mention he was just punching through disconnection and stuff so yeah.

Rahab countered his shinsoo with said special power, you didn't even read the last chap or this one properly did ya.


Urek's not using his peculiar powers, he flat out told us he doesn't wanna use em at all.


He hasn't been using it since he came here, only flexed a bit of it against Danzon and decided he doesn't wanna use em.








How can you talk about jumping the gun and in the same breath say this?


Like what part of Urek's nonchalance he gave to said dark powers coulda possibly given the idea that Luslec has connections to Phanta or that he's as strong as a family head man.







They don't even have anything to counter his basic shinsoo or reinforcement in pure base.

did we read the ssame chapter where he fought Traum and Gustang?


I'm also struggling to think why they'd even know Urek has special powers and also have counters for said powers, did Gustang give us any hints he knew anything at all?



Jeez.

Disregarding the shinwonryu hack Luslec is around FH power level obviously. Lorewise this does not amount to much as practically Luslec can't do anything against them from what we have seen, hopefully this will not be the case.

As I stated above man, it is not impossible for Gustang having a counter against Shiny power, but very very unlikely. Maybe this will be unfolded if Urek actually uses his powers and FHs or Admins or others will start to have a way to deal with it or anything of sort. We'll see, but I understand your reaction.

One last thing, I am almost sure Urek never killed anyone of Dark status or anything, he is so pure, "not killing" man.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

One last thing, I am almost sure Urek never killed anyone of Dark status or anything, he is so pure, "not killing" man.

Oh no no, chapter six laid out his ideology for us.


Urek has no problem killing so long as you declare an intent to put your life on the line against him.

Hence why he said it's been a long time since anyone said such a thing, Urek has bloodlust without a doubt and we see it manifest at the end of his spar with Danzon.

He just doesn't slaughter indiscriminately.


Also the fact that Rahab isn't present in the current mainline along with the other cult members tells me that Urek cleaned house.


So against Phanta's worshippers he doesn't seem to have any guilt killing them it seems.

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As I stated above man, it is not impossible for Gustang having a counter against Shiny power, but very very unlikely. Maybe this will be unfolded if Urek actually uses his powers and FHs or Admins or others will start to have a way to deal with it or anything of sort. We'll see, but I understand your reaction.

Gustang?

definitely slightly possible if Urek has shown it to him before considering their casual relationship, would it work though is what we'll have to see if he indeed has seen Urek use that power before.


But the other family heads is definitely a no no, it's a endless resource and having reality at your disposal kinda thing in this scenario I suppose .


Thinking of it now Gustang really should be much higher up in power, closer to the top 4 FH's ngl than what he is right now considering how his power works.


A shame really.