Discussion How permanent is Escanor's death?

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Gotta say, the manga makes absolutely no sense to me. I find most events in it to just be random things which the author thought look cool but don't really connect with one another in a way which makes sense. The past arc has shown story arcs and plot points being blundered or repeated. And now the manga continues and I have no idea of where its going.

But... in spite of me not having a clue of what the point of any of this is, it kinda looks like the manga is continuing.... So... How long can the series continue without it's seventh deadly sin? I suppose its not necessarily the case that he will resurrect but there are other ways he could show up as well. Maybe as a ghost or in the afterlife if the sins go there.

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This is my thought graces are like the commandments. It all boils down to the original wielder like the demon king despite the death of gallan, mons, der, etc the commandments were still ok. Therefore if SD is still alive ocean, tornado, flash and sunshine are still ok. Now Escanor had given his life to sunshine which Id assume Escanor and sunshine just became one. So to make the long story short if SD is still alive so as Escanor.
 

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Gotta say, the manga makes absolutely no sense to me. I find most events in it to just be random things which the author thought look cool but don't really connect with one another in a way which makes sense. The past arc has shown story arcs and plot points being blundered or repeated. And now the manga continues and I have no idea of where its going.

But... in spite of me not having a clue of what the point of any of this is, it kinda looks like the manga is continuing.... So... How long can the series continue without it's seventh deadly sin? I suppose its not necessarily the case that he will resurrect but there are other ways he could show up as well. Maybe as a ghost or in the afterlife if the sins go there.

Any thoughts?
Two versions, logical version and likely version.

Logical version, they can't bring him back right now but they've got a lot of ways they can make him return. Mael's Reincarnation-no-Jutsu could let him just reincarnate Escanor as an angel, from the perspective of every single Sin it will seem like Escanor's back to his usual adult self real fast. Now obviously he's gonna want to spend at least a few years in the afterlife with Rosa first, but that's still gonna seem like a blip to the long-lived Sins. In other words everybody but Ban, who's going to be an old man by then. They can see him in the afterlife basically at will and i am sure if Merlin tried her hardest, she could even get continuous communications going between the afterlife and wherever the Sins are at any given time, using her Infinity undecaying powers and just having telepathy over a long distance. Like all she's gotta do is go to the afterlife in person and have all her automatic magic work at hundreds of kilometers away, even if the sins are in the middle of a fight. So while he can't fight anymore, that's basically it, he can communicate with them very easily, and he'll be brought back to life soon enough.

As for the likely version, they're not going to bother with reincarnation during the end of the series, since it won't play out over that long a timespan. And most likely they will not properly use Mael's reincarnation powers which Elizabeth can probably use too. If they visit him in the afterlife it's probably going to be after they resolve this last 'Chaos' problem. The series seems like it's mostly over and the climax has already come and passed, Escanor not being there anymore is not really as big a deal as you think.
 

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People are attached to Escanor but he was absent during the first saga, even Merlin wasn't very important back then. Nakaba can make him revive due to some magic spell or whatever, or maybe he is dead for good and will reincarnate as Gawain for the sequel. With two Gaidens left I think there is still some time before the end.

Some were expecting it to end this year, but it's clear that it can't happen.
 

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The Goddess Clan was said to have powers of Resurrection. If this is the case, Mael or especially Elizabeth as the designated healer of the group should be capable of bringing him back. If not, it's probably down to the deities.
 

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I mean, knowing Nakaba, he could always bring him back with some Goddess influence (we know few things about them compared to other clans and we still have to see how the Supreme Deity is) or with some unknown method he may introduce later. Personally, I prefer Escanor to stay dead, not because I hated him, don't get me wrong, I loved him, but his death was so well-done and emotive, apart of being a great send-off for his character, that bringing him back would be cheap. Also, now that he is gone, the future fights MAY be matched (that is not saying much considering the current power of the 7DS, but anything is better than what happened during the 10 Commandments arc).
Anyway, I have the feeling Nakaba is going to revive him at some point. Just a feeling.
 

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I mean, knowing Nakaba, he could always bring him back with some Goddess influence (we know few things about them compared to other clans and we still have to see how the Supreme Deity is) or with some unknown method he may introduce later. Personally, I prefer Escanor to stay dead, not because I hated him, don't get me wrong, I loved him, but his death was so well-done and emotive, apart of being a great send-off for his character, that bringing him back would be cheap. Also, now that he is gone, the future fights MAY be matched (that is not saying much considering the current power of the 7DS, but anything is better than what happened during the 10 Commandments arc).
Anyway, I have the feeling Nakaba is going to revive him at some point. Just a feeling.
Future fights? As far as I can tell the manga just needs to wrap up, there shouldn't be any future fights.

The previous chapter should open up a pretty clear path for an escanor revival. Arthur literally has reality warping powers now. He should be able to bring back escanor with a thought....
 

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Future fights? As far as I can tell the manga just needs to wrap up, there shouldn't be any future fights.

The previous chapter should open up a pretty clear path for an escanor revival. Arthur literally has reality warping powers now. He should be able to bring back escanor with a thought....
This is just my guess, but since there has not been an official announcement for the ending of the manga and now this thing of the Chaos has been introduced, it doesn't looks like it is going to end. Of course, I may be wrong and NNT may end in a few chapters, but, again, it doesn't looks like it is close to finish, though I wouldn't mind if it ends after this.
 

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I don't want him to return back to life rather I want him have a appearance in his spirit form in some dire situations and helping Gawain gain control over Sunshine just like how old man zangetsu was helping ichigo in his fights
 

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Very permanent, he isn't coming back
 

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Very permanent, he isn't coming back
Who decides that thought?
Only the brokenor i bet the dude will burn his spirit and he will be able to appear and materize his spirit in the world because he is the only one who decides that...

I seriously will not be surprised if a shit like this happens because we have see way worst stuff than this.
 

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It's time to talk about Escanor's death after what happened in chapter 338.
Arthur touched Merlin's boob by his chaotic hand, and he immediately lost that very hand. And the one who ate it was his own pet CATH. Seriously though, this chapter has some implications on the story I used to overlook before, but now is time for some crazy assumptions.

The first question is why Escanor should die? To prove people can get killed in NnT for real? Revival and resurrection is not impossible in that universe. Multiple charactrs like Zaratras, Rou, Ellaine, and Vivian has experienced different forms of it in different circumstances. Not to mention that two of the most important characters, Mel and Ellie, has died and resurrected countless times, enough to make the entire concept of bot h death and resurrection completely pointless. And that there are numerous individuals who can bring the dead back to life.
Escanor died because Nakaba had to put him aside for the time being. He did that in the first arc. He then made Escanor powerless when the Sunshine went back to Mael. And now he is dead. Escanor is not necessarily the strongest in terms of some stupid PL numbers, but how he is defined as a mighty arrogant powerhouse mandated he either win the battles with ease, or lose because of specific situations like night magic, etc. It's always all or nothing, no room for struggle or even progress. Although I love Escanor because of these extraordinary features which are more commonly found in villains rather than protagonists, I can understand how this makes it very difficult for Nakaba to set the stage for some future events. Possessed Heny and Dreyfus, Indura of Favor, and even DK Zel in it's early stages all had no chance against him, so his transient absence gave them the opportunity to put their initial plans in action and as the editorial note mentioned, the mightiest comes late. From a writing standpoint, this turn of events might've gotten repetitive, but as long as Escanor retains his never to be found villain like characteristics as a good guy, I always enjoy more Escanor battles and his beautiful lines. NnT has shown us four rounds of battle against one enemy with the same dynamics each time, so I can't tell if being repetitive is an alien concept in NnT as well.

Escanor was always standing at the extreme limit of his ability. As a human blessed/cursed with Sunshine, all he could do was to accept his power and try to control it better over the time, and we saw some examples of power up for him that were more about a stronger will to fight and protect other than some real mind blowing power up with distinct visible aftermath. His biggest challenge was always that of his multiple personalities and the strange power which resulted in his loneliness. For this character to have a development as big as what happened to Ban, King, or Mel, it's not a bad idea to reestablish the rules governing this character and death/resurrection is a reasonable mean for that purpose.

Back to the chapter, it is another prelude to the bigger event. Merlin is facing some difficult situation and is alone with nobody to understand her feelings. Ellie who defended Derieri has shut her mouth up for a while now, and Mel who USED SDSs to attain his personal goals is accusing Merlin of USING SDSs for her own plans. Escanor supporting Merlin in this situation would lessen the intensity of the situation. Aside from that, now that manga has already past the limit of 40 volumes, there is room for one more final fight. Cath has eaten the Merlinized hand of Arthur and has transformed to an scarier yet vulnerable looking monster. Whoever the villain is, Escanor should be absent at this point once again so that the villain can survive the earlier stages of development.

But is there anything special about Cath? Aside from the fact that cats are close relatives to lions in real world and thus a cat can be reminiscent of a lion as mentioned by @Mael the strongest and @Jdmp53 , Cath was also drawn next to Escanor in the column picture of volume 25, and not just that, Cath seems to be pretty aware of Escanor and even looking at him. Like Ban and Ellain (volume 5) or OGowther and Estarossa (volume 27). They are not randomly situated next to one another like how Doll Gowther and Oslo are (volume 8 and 9 collectively). The problem is that there has never been any kind of relationship between Cath and Escanor in the main story, and Cath joined the team before the events of second Vaizel festival, so there is not a temporal relationship to justify the place as well. It's as random looking as OGowther/Esta and knowing there was some strange indirect relationship between Arthur and Escanor in the plot, as well as the apparent similarity between a cat and lion regardless of the plot, I believe there is gonna be a confrontation or interaction between Cath/Cath's master and Escanor implied by symbolic choices and foreshadowed by the volume culomn pic.

Summary:

1. Never touch the private parts of the one who is loved by the strongest.

2. Death is more like a joke in NnT verse, so there is no need to believe in an impactful death when there are many cases of revival and those who can bring the dead back to life.

3. Escanor's absence or powerlessness is more like a technical obligation Nakaba is faced with because of Escanor's unique characteristics. It might even be the reason behind his death.

4. Nakaba can use death/resurrection scenario for Escanor's further development.

5. As a faithful ally and true lover of Merlin, as well as a powerhouse, Escanor should better be absent for the time being. There is nothing suggesting this has to continue forever though.

6. Out of all characters, Cath has become a new enemy. We are yet to know more about him, but there are reasons to believe there is a deeper relationship between Cath and Escanor based on symbolism and a possible foreshadowing, so there's reasonable to expect his return before or near climax of the real fight.
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He will not come back, they already forgot him and move on lol.
 
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