Discussion How Powerful Is Enel considering everyone now?

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I think any normal human would die getting hit by 20million volts. There have been reports about people getting killed by taser you know. So, I would put him in the same class as Marco.
 

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I think any normal human would die getting hit by 20million volts. There have been reports about people getting killed by taser you know. So, I would put him in the same class as Marco.
We know Marco can hit Logia users, we don't know Enel can hit logia users or Marco's pseudo-logia. We've also seen Marco take a punch from Garp with no lasting effect, I doubt Enel could do the same.
 

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We know Marco can hit Logia users, we don't know Enel can hit logia users or Marco's pseudo-logia. We've also seen Marco take a punch from Garp with no lasting effect, I doubt Enel could do the same.
It may be true if you put them 1v1 fight. But, that's not the only way to rate how powerful someone is. Enel can sink a huge chuck of island with his lightning, doubt Marco can pull it off with one move. Enel problem are probably haki users, logia intangibility such as light and counter DF such as Luffy. However, other than this lightning kills. And Marco is mythical zoan Phoenix. He won't be able to recover if he got one hit with 20 million volt. Of course I'm talking with with real world sense not One Piece. I believe it was pointed out somewhere that people have survived Enel million volts. Maybe the unit has different value than real life.
 
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Other than Luffy, I'd say Blackbeard would be one of the few people to utterly trounce him, since he would easily be able to survive Enel's attacks long enough to get his hands on him, and I'm sure one punch from Teach could knock him out.
 

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enel is definitely going to make an appearance again. i think he will be one of the shichibukai. the followers he has is not really strong enough to survive in the new world. i think he is a wrecking machine and his being a ruthless shichibukai is perfect for him.
 

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He won't be able to recover if he got one hit with 20 million volt. Of course I'm talking with with real world sense not One Piece. I believe it was pointed out somewhere that people have survived Enel million volts. Maybe the unit has different value than real life.
Well, that is "plot protection". :p If you think about it, it's completely fake the idea that rubber would not be damaged by a lightning that can destroy rocks. And the same kind of stuff goes with Aokiji freezing the Strawhats, or Akainu magma over Whitebeard chest. Or the explosions of Kizaru lasers never hit someone, only the tiny beams that never hit a vital organ... :p :p
 

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i think that if enel is the same as he was he wont survive long against stronger people no matter how strong his DF. but take into consideretion that the same way luffy became so much stronger since then enel might have too. he might stop relying solely on his DF and strengthen his body as well. also remember that we still dont know anything about haki. maybe not all veriations of haki can negate DFs. also it will be hard to make sure enel stays down since he can jump start his heart. and lets face it he hasnt killed anyone but besides akainu who did? also it was implied that he killed people in the past. just not during the arc.
 

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Enel would be extremely powerful anywhere he goes, including the New World. His DF is amazing, and his physical abilities are decent as well. Coupled with his mantra, he's someone you wouldn't want to mess with. Right now, out of the SH's, only Luffy could take him.

As others have said, if he had a bounty it would be 500,000,000 and before anyone says that's just because of his destructive potential, be reminded that Luffy basically destroyed Enies Lobby, which is a pretty damn important place to the WG, and he's only at 300,000,000.
 

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This is the full answer Oda gave to the specific question about Enel:

D: Question!! If God Enel were to descend to the Blue Sea, how much would his bounty be? Also, what would happen if he did that? Would he rule the Blue Sea? P.N. Gorozoro

O: I see. Interesting question. Knowing how tricky he would be to beat, I'd imagine he could reach as much as 500,000,000 Beli. Luffy was lucky to be rubber. But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Enel would NOT rule it.
The bold part is even more important than the actual amount of the hypothetical bounty. he would be quite fearsome in the Blues and the Grand Line but I consider him roughly a bit over the average in the New World.
Yet don't forget that Luffy way the one person with the highest chance of defeating him power levels aside. If you were to face your natural opposite you would have a hard fight regardless.
 

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The bold part is even more important than the actual amount of the hypothetical bounty. he would be quite fearsome in the Blues and the Grand Line but I consider him roughly a bit over the average in the New World.
Yet don't forget that Luffy way the one person with the highest chance of defeating him power levels aside. If you were to face your natural opposite you would have a hard fight regardless.
" Enel would not rule it " means Enel would not be a Yonkou. Remember that the Yonkou are the 4 pirates that rule the New World.
Yet, it does not mean he would not be fearsome in the New World. Of course, Enel would be able to go to the New World, and be a dangerous pirate : that's why Oda said it would be very difficult to beat him, and talked about a 500-million bounty.
 

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" Enel would not rule it " means Enel would not be a Yonkou. Remember that the Yonkou are the 4 pirates that rule the New World.
Yet, it does not mean he would not be fearsome in the New World. Of course, Enel would be able to go to the New World, and be a dangerous pirate : that's why Oda said it would be very difficult to beat him, and talked about a 500-million bounty.
i agree, enel is a crazy man. he wouldnt hesitate to kill anyone. i think enel would be a powerhouse in a one on one battle vs anyone except for maybe the yonkou. thing is i dont see enel geeting a crew together that could survive the new world.

from what we have seen of the poerhouses,i think he could hang with the shichibukai, the admirals, and WB division commanders, so considering all that i think he is one of the strongest characters in one piece. yes i know luffy beat him, but what makes one piece so good is not necessarily the strength of a character but how they match up.

we all know enel will make a return, but the question is how? personal i think he will become a shichibukai. that would fit him perfectly, he could be a bad as he wanted and not get in trouble for it
 

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And people must not forget that Enel did not have intangibility against Luffy, and that he could not injure him with his logia attacks either.
If Akainu was not intangible, and was not able to hurt people with magma, he would have been beaten quickly in the war, and Whitebeard, Ace, Curiel and Jinbei would not have been injured/killed by him.

Besides, Crocodile who was beat by Luffy before Enel - and who was able to hurt Luffy with his logia attacks unlike Enel - took an important role in this war, and held some Shichibukai and an Admiral.

Enel would definitely be one of the strongest fighters. His lighting attacks are the most destructive logia attacks shown so far. And he has the strongest mantra ever shown in One Piece, that is to say able to cover a territory as large as the Skypiea island.
 

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@Lord Rayleigh: I wonder why Enel didn't have his logia intangibility? We saw him getting stabbed in the head and it went through. Does rubber nullify his ability that much? Like Aokiji power would hurt ace intangibility and like wise.
 

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Enel would still rape any of the strawhat crew expect Luffy.
I think he's definitely Admiral-level, and could possibly beat Aokiji.
 

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I think there is a ranking system of which logia fruits abide by, since Akainu was able to punch a hole through Ace with his magma, which in theory has a higher power ranking than fire.

Smoker's power was also evenly matched by Ace, despite their fruits two very different elements, although fire usually does produce smoke, so that gets a little confusing. I think Enel's logia power would trump most if not all other logias in terms of power, since it is pure energy. Although Kizaru's logia is light, which is also pure energy, it really depends on what you think is more powerful; light or electricity? Kizaru has a power that is far more focused than Enel's, and thus is able to produce a very destructive attack in a smaller area, such has his laser kick that toppled a giant tree. Enel's power is measurable (in the sense that we could accurately describe how much power he is outputting) so it is arguable weather or not Enel's lightning could reach a higher power level than kizaru's lasers

If I were to make a list I would rank their powers as so (although I wont rank Blackbeard, since I believe he is falsely ranked as Logia, and his power trumps all devil fruits.)

1.Enel/Kizaru
2.Akainu
3.Ace/Smoker
4.Aokiji
5.Crocodile

This list of course does not indicate actual combat ability, its more of which power would supersede the other in a one-on-one scenario
 

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1) DF: He has an insane DF and he is arguably the one that mastered his devil fruit the most.

2) Mantra: His mantra is the strongest ever shown, enhanced by his DF.

3) Intelligence: He is quite intelligent and creative. Can adapt to unpredicted situations really fast.

4) Physical attributes: This is the one he has trouble with. If we divide it into 3 subcategories:

4.1) Speed: As he is lightning logia, he has superhuman speed.

4.2) Strength: His fighting style does not need him to be physically strong.

4.3) Endurance: This is his only real weakness together with his cockiness. Although he is comparable to admirals in some aspects, there is no way he could stand up after a hit from Whitebeard, let alone two hits like Akainu did. If his opponent can hurt logia users and can reach him, he is in trouble.
 

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I think there is a ranking system of which logia fruits abide by, since Akainu was able to punch a hole through Ace with his magma, which in theory has a higher power ranking than fire.

Smoker's power was also evenly matched by Ace, despite their fruits two very different elements, although fire usually does produce smoke, so that gets a little confusing. I think Enel's logia power would trump most if not all other logias in terms of power, since it is pure energy. Although Kizaru's logia is light, which is also pure energy, it really depends on what you think is more powerful; light or electricity? Kizaru has a power that is far more focused than Enel's, and thus is able to produce a very destructive attack in a smaller area, such has his laser kick that toppled a giant tree. Enel's power is measurable (in the sense that we could accurately describe how much power he is outputting) so it is arguable weather or not Enel's lightning could reach a higher power level than kizaru's lasers

If I were to make a list I would rank their powers as so (although I wont rank Blackbeard, since I believe he is falsely ranked as Logia, and his power trumps all devil fruits.)

1.Enel/Kizaru
2.Akainu
3.Ace/Smoker
4.Aokiji
5.Crocodile

This list of course does not indicate actual combat ability, its more of which power would supersede the other in a one-on-one scenario
I almost agree with you.
But, you're putting Smoker a lot too high!

Put him 6th, and you have it right! :tem

As for between Enel and Kizaru...
Light is faster than Thunder...

I'd put Kizaru first.
 

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Gonna respond to a few things because I can -

@Lord Rayleigh: I wonder why Enel didn't have his logia intangibility? We saw him getting stabbed in the head and it went through. Does rubber nullify his ability that much? Like Aokiji power would hurt ace intangibility and like wise.
It's unsure how logia intangibility works, but we've rarely seen the intangibility used to "dodge", as much as it is used to allow things to bypass. It's possible that maintaining a shape that is not inherently human is very difficult for a logia user. I mean, what do you flex to put a hole in your face to dodge a punch?

Could also argue that Enel is mentally unstable and has a god complex, thus could not work out counter measures. If you think you're invincible, why would you train to do something like that?

Enel would still rape any of the strawhat crew expect Luffy.
I think he's definitely Admiral-level, and could possibly beat Aokiji.
Is that based off a bad Spoiler? If Enel could "possibly beat Aokoji", then he is "possibly stronger than WB". Aokoji and WB are both characters that most likely sit in the super tier of One Piece characters. If Enel was this level, Waipa would not have even touched him seastone or not and Luffy would be very dead.

If I were to make a list I would rank their powers as so (although I wont rank Blackbeard, since I believe he is falsely ranked as Logia, and his power trumps all devil fruits.)

1.Enel/Kizaru
2.Akainu
3.Ace/Smoker
4.Aokiji
5.Crocodile

This list of course does not indicate actual combat ability, its more of which power would supersede the other in a one-on-one scenario
I don't think you can rate logias in that way. It's more like fruits have elements, and the elements have their own strengths and weaknesses. For instance, I can't see how smoke would affect sand or Ice. Heck, for that matter how does light affect fire?

It's not a 1-100 ranking, it's more like a pokemon type chart with immunity, normal and super effective comparisons.

3) Intelligence: He is quite intelligent and creative. Can adapt to unpredicted situations really fast.

4) Physical attributes: This is the one he has trouble with. If we divide it into 3 subcategories:

4.1) Speed: As he is lightning logia, he has superhuman speed.

4.2) Strength: His fighting style does not need him to be physically strong.

4.3) Endurance: This is his only real weakness together with his cockiness. Although he is comparable to admirals in some aspects, there is no way he could stand up after a hit from Whitebeard, let alone two hits like Akainu did. If his opponent can hurt logia users and can reach him, he is in trouble.
On #3 - I must have missed where Enel was intelligent and not just insane. Enel showed me no intelligence, unless enslaving guards to build a blimp to the moon was a stroke of genius. In battle, sure he "adapted", but for someone who can predict, stab and melt gold, he was unable to really beat Luffy in a fist fight.

4.1. Yet even with all that speed, he couldn't dodge Luffy punches without predicting them. To me, Enel did not display the speed he should be "able" to, and physically he is not agile in the slightest.

4.2. That's debatable, since if he was physically stronger Luffy would have lost. In the off chance your fighting style goes to ruins, power is something you can almost always fall back on.

4.3. Yeah definitely his weakest stat here, but it kind of ties in with the entire point 4. Most of the physical attributes you mentioned that were "good" are inherited from his DF, so really you can just basically say "Enel is physically weak, and this is his major weakness".
 

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Ener as great powers (mantra is surely convenient) but has really some physical problems.

His logia is really nice (even if I expected thunder to actually KILL people , I guess that his logia isn't as deadly as it could be) , and he probably mastered it.
But if his intangibility fails , he's really in trouble. He can predict attacks , but against a good melee fighter he hardly manages to dodge them. And only a couple of hits are enough to bring him down.

Physically , he's probably the weakest boss since Kuro.

I highly doubt that he could beat Aokiji. Maybe if Kuzan reveals himself as a non haki user ..

Anyway .. then I saw this :

If I were to make a list I would rank their powers as so (although I wont rank Blackbeard, since I believe he is falsely ranked as Logia, and his power trumps all devil fruits.)

1.Enel/Kizaru
2.Akainu
3.Ace/Smoker
4.Aokiji
5.Crocodile
Honestly..
Ace's logia > Aokiji's ? Seriously ? Kuzan can freeze miles of water with a finger but ok , your position is acceptable.
But you have to stop with Smoker. He is the worst logia ever. He have absolutely no attacks. And since Hancock broke his precious jitte , I can hardly think of a way for him to actually harm anybody. Maybe suffocating them ?
 

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Magma - Unstoppable force
Light - Versatily
Lightning - Versatily
Ice - Can freeze miles of water, but the defenses are not as good
Sand - Interesting abilitities, but the defenses are not as good
Fire - Powerfull, but the power is not at the same extend as the magma fruit
Smoke - Limited compared to other Logias
 
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