How powerful is Mago?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Shinny ones are god tiers only below Phantaminium in outside world and mago seems to have received additional powers from phantaminium.

How powerful do you think mago will be? How does she compares to zahard and Family heads?


@arrowofsky @maverickframe_19 @Ray Barracuda @Blooming_Lotus etc

 

[arrowofsky]

-For starters, while Neo-like person talks about Mago, awakening and stuff, he was up against a plant, ready to "Blossom". I don't want to overinterpret but it is just there

-Another hint at some interesting stuff is awakening, meaning she is now sleeping, in coma or some other stuff, and probably she was not like that before so there may have been a lost fight and sealing. But what is seen in this case is that her power is gradually increasing while being tinged with darkness.

-Moving on, this "once brightest" then to be darkest, also with a crystal-jewel like thing in the middle of a flower, hinted at me a potential Shiny origin. Additionally, plants and flowers etc. might really be associated with darker, darkness stuff more and more because inherently, plants absorb light to grow.

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To sum up, Phantaminum may have ordered them to utilize one Shiny thing sealed as a Mago precursor, darkness and dark powers may have really be more related to plant/flower stuff, and being sealed may not really be as stagnant as we usually thing, and this may also be somehow related to the Enne Zahard, though only wild speculation. So I expect an Enne Zahard here or at least s.o. on par.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Hm, realistically speaking there's no way she'd be at full power and a current powerless Urek would be enough to contend with her.


And speaking in context of said full power, I place every last one of the original six shining one's at Tower destroying capabilities and above by quite a margin.


Taken from the context of them causing so much chaos and destruction across creation itself that it bothered the Darkness enough to spawn Phanta just to get rid of them one by one.



So when she awakens I expect her to be in a very weakened state, like in the 0.0000s down to near infinity kinda state and this state, I'm guessing at best would be close to breaking FH tier if not right on it.


I think the main threat to her awakening would be how fast she can recover some amount of her power enough for her to take over the Tower.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Hm, realistically speaking there's no way she'd be at full power and a current powerless Urek would be enough to contend with her.


And speaking in context of said full power, I place every last one of the original six shining one's at Tower destroying capabilities and above by quite a margin.


Taken from the context of them causing so much chaos and destruction across creation itself that it bothered the Darkness enough to spawn Phanta just to get rid of them one by one.



So when she awakens I expect her to be in a very weakened state, like in the 0.0000s down to near infinity kinda state and this state, I'm guessing at best would be close to breaking FH tier if not right on it.


I think the main threat to her awakening would be how fast she can recover some amount of her power enough for her to take over the Tower.

What you say does make sense but it is possible urek is simply strongest among shinny ones and hence can beat mago. Mago most likely was the strongest among the original shinny ones given she was the brightest and the one 6 brightest ones were said to be strongest.

It is also possible urek and zahard together beat mago.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

What you say does make sense but it is possible urek is simply strongest among shinny ones and hence can beat mago. Mago most likely was the strongest among the original shinny ones given she was the brightest and the one 6 brightest ones were said to be strongest.

It is also possible urek and zahard together beat mago.

Well even though yeah, he's meant to be the one who stops them.


I still don't think it's possible to simply beat one of his siblings in a powerless state, Urek was the only one who had to start at the ground up out of them.


Those guys were straight gods right from the spawn gate similar to Phanta.


Potential is not exactly current power if you get what I mean.


And Urek is also super young, even much younger than Rachel all things considered as he's very recently only been spawned.



Also I'd never see Zahard and Urek working together to fight someone, straight up impossible as a task considering Urek's pride and him not jumping people.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Her innate powers may be strong, but she was just born, and considering shinshoo is the main power in the tower, I think she will find it harder to release her shiny powers right off the bat. That gives Urek an advantage. I think just by the token that she's not currently active in the tower, most likely she's dead or sealed.

She's not stronger than FHs and Zahard as well (as of now and what we know)

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Seeing as the blog posts are still canon, with Phanta still being an Axis. We can now stop wanking the shit out of Urek and actually place him where he belongs with all his might, a neg diff fight for Phanta. And Urek seems to be special among shining ones, so probably he is on the high end tier of light powers.

So I place a full power Mago below A full power Urek, who I place within the same realm of power as Zahard, who is below administrators, Who are below Enryu, who is likely well below Phanta.

So while I'm saddened that the blog posts are canon, at least the Urek wank can stop. Axis are only capable of being challenged by other Axis or primordial beings.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Seeing as the blog posts are still canon, with Phanta still being an Axis. We can now stop wanking the shit out of Urek and actually place him where he belongs with all his might, a neg diff fight for Phanta. And Urek seems to be special among shining ones, so probably he is on the high end tier of light powers.

So I place a full power Mago below A full power Urek, who I place within the same realm of power as Zahard, who is below administrators, Who are below Enryu, who is likely well below Phanta.

So while I'm saddened that the blog posts are canon, at least the Urek wank can stop. Axis are only capable of being challenged by other Axis or primordial beings.

The thing is we do not know whether urek is comparable to zahard only with his shinsoo powers or whether he needs to use both shinsoo + shiny powers to rival zahard.

 

[maverickframe_19]

The thing is we do not know whether urek is comparable to zahard only with his shinsoo powers or whether he needs to use both shinsoo + shiny powers to rival zahard.

A lot of people are still sleeping on Zahard. It's very clear to me he has something that protects him or something that negates Urek's shiny powers.

 

[25thBaam_viole]

A lot of people are still sleeping on Zahard. It's very clear to me he has something that protects him or something that negates Urek's shiny powers.

It doesn't matter what Zahard possess Son Of Arlene will beat the crap out of him.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

LMAO!!!

 

[Tir]

Imho, Shining Ones are the closest we have currently to the so-called Axis. Mago created a domain/ island that exists above the rules of the Tower to the point the Admin had no control over it. Within her island or domain, she controlled the lives of the pilgrims and displayed a form of limited reality warping by reversing hope into despair.

 

[maverickframe_19]

This thread after recent events is my top 1 ragebait @MonsterBaam

 

[25thBaam_viole]

In the end Baam will surpass everyone.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

In the end Baam will surpass everyone.

He will in fact not do so.

 

[arrowofsky]

With the last chapter we have seen these things about Mago, too:

1-] Not prime Mago's reversal has limits, it pushed Urek nonnegligibly, but still did not bash him to the walls, while Urek was definitely going for that.

2-] Similarly, after Mago made reversal, Urek attacked her with shinsoo, or light or whatever and Mago could not do anything. What I see is that Urek's attack was faster than Mago can react with her reversal or even dodge (maybe dodging was impossible against that wide attack, but still).

3-] Now we know why Mago even awakened herself earlier just to entice Urek. Since he is by far much more powerful than the lot around, turning his hopes into despair was the surefire way to improve her power. Although not that important, we also saw, again, that Maschenny co, Leo, or Asa or all of them's hopes to despair could not really hold a candle for Urek's despair here.

4-] She does not seem to make two different reversals simultaneously, so wide "not enter the castle" may be canceled each time she uses reversal for something else. Hence, i think there is no passive reversal skill.

The constraints:
-No multi simultaneous use
-Inherent power proportional reversal effect
-Hope-to-despair according to the despairing person's power, and proportional Mago power increase
-No passive use, hence Mago's reaction speed.

 

[maverickframe_19]

With the last chapter we have seen these things about Mago, too:

1-] Not prime Mago's reversal has limits, it pushed Urek nonnegligibly, but still did not bash him to the walls, while Urek was definitely going for that.

2-] Similarly, after Mago made reversal, Urek attacked her with shinsoo, or light or whatever and Mago could not do anything. What I see is that Urek's attack was faster than Mago can react with her reversal or even dodge (maybe dodging was impossible against that wide attack, but still).

3-] Now we know why Mago even awakened herself earlier just to entice Urek. Since he is by far much more powerful than the lot around, turning his hopes into despair was the surefire way to improve her power. Although not that important, we also saw, again, that Maschenny co, Leo, or Asa or all of them's hopes to despair could not really hold a candle for Urek's despair here.

4-] She does not seem to make two different reversals simultaneously, so wide "not enter the castle" may be canceled each time she uses reversal for something else. Hence, i think there is no passive reversal skill.

The constraints:
-No multi simultaneous use
-Inherent power proportional reversal effect
-Hope-to-despair according to the despairing person's power, and proportional Mago power increase
-No passive use, hence Mago's reaction speed.

A good analysis. Here are my thoughts on how FHs can counter Mago's reversal. It appears to me to be a spell-like ability that is not of the tower. So simply use a spell that is a direct counter to reversal, or something even stronger that can negate spells, particularly in the tower, such as shinwonryuu. You can see why I am so confident in FH's ability to deal with Mago, given that her only gimmick is reversal and she is not a powerhouse like Urek.

 

[Demonspeed]

With the last chapter we have seen these things about Mago, too:

1-] Not prime Mago's reversal has limits, it pushed Urek nonnegligibly, but still did not bash him to the walls, while Urek was definitely going for that.

2-] Similarly, after Mago made reversal, Urek attacked her with shinsoo, or light or whatever and Mago could not do anything. What I see is that Urek's attack was faster than Mago can react with her reversal or even dodge (maybe dodging was impossible against that wide attack, but still).

3-] Now we know why Mago even awakened herself earlier just to entice Urek. Since he is by far much more powerful than the lot around, turning his hopes into despair was the surefire way to improve her power. Although not that important, we also saw, again, that Maschenny co, Leo, or Asa or all of them's hopes to despair could not really hold a candle for Urek's despair here.

4-] She does not seem to make two different reversals simultaneously, so wide "not enter the castle" may be canceled each time she uses reversal for something else. Hence, i think there is no passive reversal skill.

The constraints:
-No multi simultaneous use
-Inherent power proportional reversal effect
-Hope-to-despair according to the despairing person's power, and proportional Mago power increase
-No passive use, hence Mago's reaction speed.

Against Urek it has basically been Shinra Tensei/Bansho Tenin . When they first met in the Tower he wanted to leave so he was attracted to her, during her fight he wanted to close in so he was repelled. Just like with the same technique you have to find a way to hit her before she uses it or attack her at attack her at a certain range. There is probably a cooldown period too. Probably can't use it twice in a row.

I do think that there is a passive version but that's not usable in combat. Just a different way to use the ability. Maschenny and co got trapped and couldn't escape. There is no way she was activating it all the time like that.

 

[arrowofsky]

One more thing, I may miss it out if already said elsewhere, but I think the reason the angels tried to eliminate all regulars and made impossible tests were to Mago feed on their hope/despair transformation as well. On top of all dying all reviving ascetics, she also powers herself with the failed regulars.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

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