How strong do you think Dragon really is?

[OP_overlord]

no just a unemotional hi would do while all the others are like 'o crap its dragon luffy go find out want he wants so he doesnt start killing us"

 

[Anti-panda]

Dragon doesn't strike me as the cold killer type.. more like a cold calculating Puppet Master type... like he's trying to unravel the world .. and let it rebuild itself.

 

[sahugani]

i have the same impression of him. he obviously has an insane amount of power that he can wield personally (i'm currently believing the wind logia, but Oda is unpredictable, so we'll find out eventually), but he restrains himself from using that power. He inspires people to fight for themselves instead of fighting for them.

I don't even think that his title of "most wanted" is from the rebellions themselves. I think that he actually knows the "true history" that Ohara was searching for and so did Gol D. Roger. We have evidence that Roger might have known the true history as he could read the poneglyphs and it was likely the biggest reason why the Gov't killed him instead of imprisoning him. While Roger was much more easygoing, he felt he had accomplished his destiny and did not fight the WG. Dragon on the other hand, decided to make the WG pay. What the WG fears the most about him is that he could reveal the truth and take his revolution to a global scale. the reason he has not done so yet and settled for initiating simple rebellions is that he needs a "hero of the people" to appear and carry his words to all corners of the world. He sees Luffy as that person and is waiting till Luffy's influence has matured enough to effectively cripple the WG with the truth in a single blow.

 

[Anti-panda]

What really puzzles me is that in Rogue town he grabbed smokers arm while smoker was fighting luffy. Smoker is a cloud logia ... why couldn't he just get out... or was he just soo surprised to see dragon he froze up?????

Well whatever dragon is it's obvious he's dangerous.

Ps. I don't think the govt captured Roger ... I think he gave himself up. Why I have theroies but nothing definite. I mean he wasn't even trying to escape at his execution he just asked them to take the cuffs off because they were chaffing him and then plopped down and said lets do this.
I think he directed everyone to the grandline because if enough people went "To That Place" then someone else would eventually find out the truth behind things.

 

[Dark soul within]

It's entirely possible that at the sight of the "most dangerous" man smoker soiled himself and thought "Mummy".....nope sorry I can't even believe it myself, smoker's just too cool for that.

Dragon want's to bring the world government to it's knees and everybody fears him for it.

@ sahugani

I really like your reasoning behind Dragon's "most wanted" title but it's possibly a combination of his revolution and his knowledge of the"true history" It will interesting to see Luffy's first meeting with Dragon & how Luffy takes to his fathers ideologies etc.

 

[triniman121]

luffy won't care about his ideologies unless that is his fathers dream.

so what do you think dragon's "treasure" is?

i think it's his son luffy xD

 

[sahugani]

What really puzzles me is that in Rogue town he grabbed smokers arm while smoker was fighting luffy. Smoker is a cloud logia ... why couldn't he just get out... or was he just soo surprised to see dragon he froze up?????

Well whatever dragon is it's obvious he's dangerous.

Ps. I don't think the govt captured Roger ... I think he gave himself up. Why I have theroies but nothing definite. I mean he wasn't even trying to escape at his execution he just asked them to take the cuffs off because they were chaffing him and then plopped down and said lets do this.
I think he directed everyone to the grandline because if enough people went "To That Place" then someone else would eventually find out the truth behind things.

regarding Smoker, while he likely doesn't know what Dragon can do, he knew that if he ignored Dragon and hit Luffy, the ramifications would be disastrous. He's smart and knows when a certain course of action would be irresponsible

i'm with you on Roger turning himself in. after he had accomplished his dream, he probably turned himself in either under the condition that his crew goes free or left his crew on a whim so that each of them could start their own voyages and follow their own dreams.

It's entirely possible that at the sight of the "most dangerous" man smoker soiled himself and thought "Mummy".....nope sorry I can't even believe it myself, smoker's just too cool for that.

Dragon want's to bring the world government to it's knees and everybody fears him for it.

@ sahugani

I really like your reasoning behind Dragon's "most wanted" title but it's possibly a combination of his revolution and his knowledge of the"true history" It will interesting to see Luffy's first meeting with Dragon & how Luffy takes to his fathers ideologies etc.

When i said that the reason the WG wanted him for his knowledge, i meant to imply that their fear was how he would apply that knowledge to his revolution. Because he is leading the revolution (which is bad enough as is), if he was to let people know of the True History (the shame of the WG), the revolution would grow exponentially to a scale that the WG might not be able to handle. he knows this is the case, but is waiting for Luffy's fame so that his message will carry much farther than if he revealed it himself

luffy won't care about his ideologies unless that is his fathers dream.

so what do you think dragon's "treasure" is?

i think it's his son luffy xD

i'm pretty certain as well that Luffy won't carry his fathers ideologies. i think the final arc will revolve around Dragon as he is about to see his wish of spreading this knowledge fulfilled, thus causing the three powers to act in a huge battle i have all planned out in my head but is in all actuality is unlikely. Dragon becomes the final opponant as Luffy is unwilling to help his father's wish come to fruition after Robin explains the ramifications (as she now knows the True History as well). I'd go into more detail about my vision but it would end up spiraling off topic even more.

 

[Anti-panda]

regarding Smoker, while he likely doesn't know what Dragon can do, he knew that if he ignored Dragon and hit Luffy, the ramifications would be disastrous. He's smart and knows when a certain course of action would be irresponsible

i'm with you on Roger turning himself in. after he had accomplished his dream, he probably turned himself in either under the condition that his crew goes free or left his crew on a whim so that each of them could start their own voyages and follow their own dreams.



When i said that the reason the WG wanted him for his knowledge, i meant to imply that their fear was how he would apply that knowledge to his revolution. Because he is leading the revolution (which is bad enough as is), if he was to let people know of the True History (the shame of the WG), the revolution would grow exponentially to a scale that the WG might not be able to handle. he knows this is the case, but is waiting for Luffy's fame so that his message will carry much farther than if he revealed it himself



i'm pretty certain as well that Luffy won't carry his fathers ideologies. i think the final arc will revolve around Dragon as he is about to see his wish of spreading this knowledge fulfilled, thus causing the three powers to act in a huge battle i have all planned out in my head but is in all actuality is unlikely. Dragon becomes the final opponant as Luffy is unwilling to help his father's wish come to fruition after Robin explains the ramifications (as she now knows the True History as well). I'd go into more detail about my vision but it would end up spiraling off topic even more.

You make some really good points ... I'd also like to nominate you for longest post EVER.
Congradulations.

On topic: I think Roger just handed himself over because he had expirenced all the adventures he could in this world. The man who had obtained everything this world has to offer, Simply decided to move on to the next world to expirence new adventures there.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

who said dragon created that thunderstorm at all?

 

[Impel Down]

It's a bit obvious, and if he summoned that wind to save Luffy, who says he couldn't summon that lightning to save him as well?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Dragon didnt had to do anything with that storm or thunder to save luffy, that was pure LUCK for luffy,

but dragon DID saved luffy from smoker with a giant wind wave,

thats the way it is

 

[Imitorar]

Dragon probably didn't summon the lighting, because chances are, he wouldn't know that it wouldn't kill Luffy. I'm pretty sure he'd gone off to lead the revolution by the tame Luffy ate the Gum Gum fruit, so he wouldn't know that Luffy's body has the properties of rubber, and is thus immune to electricity. I doubt he brought the storm either, though I can't think of a reason why not other than that I can't see how it served any purpose for him. He certainly DID summon that wind blast at Smoker, though.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

thats what im saying :P

 

[Imitorar]

I wasn't disagreeing. I was... expounding. Writing in more detail. I agree with you on this.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

oki my bad then, sorry

 

[TheBlackLotus]

maybe after the Fishmen Island arc, it will be his turn and he'll try to convince Luffy to be a Revolutionary and help him destroy the World Government

I can see Dragon asking Luffy to join him, as they'd be a very powerful force as father and son and nearly unbeatable in the long run, however Luffy's stubborn and his main goal/dream is to be the Pirate King, the revolution hardly concerns him, at least for now that nothing will happen from it.

 

[kazuma_uzumaki]

Maybe not physically stronger but i bet he can beat a lot of the shichibukai or emperors or whatever...

He looks like more of a stategist then physical fighter like luffy

i wonder what did he do to stop smoker that one time....

 

[eroticmaster]

does anyone remember in the beginning of the series they said that the devils furit can give you power to control fire(Ace) and even make tsunamis(Dragon possibly!!!). And remember that Dragon must be a well prepared character because he entered the series pretty early and still appears.

 

[Razh]

We still didn't see a D. that isn't ridicoulusly strong.
I don't see why Dragon should be any different.

 

[garaa89]

i think he is stong and mght have devil fruit power because the whole navy feel he the worst criminal out there.