Canon Human acnologia vs human Eileen

[Darklord#10]

For one, the reason he won against other opponents was because of outside help and temporary power ups and you know it.

Now I'm a dumbass? Cute.

You sure are getting really angry over a forum.

Your probably are nothing but an immature child. Cussing me out because I don't agree with you, so sweet.

You literally get mad at anyone who isn't on your side and believe they're wrong. News flash genius, your the only clown one this forum.

Calling Athena and others fodder just because you don't like them or their most likely gonna fight Erza.

Seriously grow tf up

Proof they aren't going to be fodders. Just like spriggan hype bdsk hype. Athena and the sisters getting hyped up Is the same thing only for them to get one shot.

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one, the reason he won against other opponents was because of outside help and temporary power ups and you know it.

Wasn't it dragon force he used against jellal? WTF are you saying. You said natsu only looks strong because he fights dragons I debunked that, now you say temporary powerups and outside help. You need to go back and watch the series
Dragon force natsu vs jellal
Dragon force natsu vs zero
Dragon force natsu vs mard
Dragon force natsu vs zeref
Dragon force (ignia flames) vs merchphobia
Dragon force natsu vs aldoron. I get angry because people like you just type garbage that doesn't even make sense. You should read your own takes and see if it makes sense. You were the saying it doesn't matter if it's dragon force natsu vs Erza as long as mashima confirmed Erza is stronger she wins, news flash mashima confirmed acnologia is the strongest character in fairy tail so it doesn't matter which form Eileen takes he wins according to your back handed logic. You also claim that kagura and Minerva were stronger than laxus in GMG Arc, you also said Lucy Gottfried is on red lightning laxus and fire dragon king natsu level. ?

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You literally get mad at anyone who isn't on your side and believe they're wrong. News flash genius, your the only clown one this forum.

Yeah because people like you don't read the manga. You literally claimed that natsu only uses dragon force against dragons which is atrocious. Try paying attention when reading the manga

 

[MyaHeart35]

Proof they aren't going to be fodders. Just like spriggan hype bdsk hype. Athena and the sisters getting hyped up Is the same thing only for them to get one shot.

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Wasn't it dragon force he used against jellal? WTF are you saying. You said natsu only looks strong because he fights dragons I debunked that, now you say temporary powerups and outside help. You need to go back and watch the series
Dragon force natsu vs jellal
Dragon force natsu vs zero
Dragon force natsu vs mard
Dragon force natsu vs zeref
Dragon force (ignia flames) vs merchphobia
Dragon force natsu vs aldoron. I get angry because people like you just type garbage that doesn't even make sense. You should read your own takes and see if it makes sense. You were the saying it doesn't matter if it's dragon force natsu vs Erza as long as mashima confirmed Erza is stronger she wins, news flash mashima confirmed acnologia is the strongest character in fairy tail so it doesn't matter which form Eileen takes he wins according to your back handed logic. You also claim that kagura and Minerva were stronger than laxus in GMG Arc, you also said Lucy Gottfried is on red lightning laxus and fire dragon king natsu level. ?

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Yeah because people like you don't read the manga. You literally claimed that natsu only uses dragon force against dragons which is atrocious. Try paying attention when reading the manga

And? Natsu used literally outside sources and temporary power ups.
Jellal Ethernao
Zero Flam of Rebuke from Jellal
He couldn't do shit to Mard Geer. Gray was the one to stop him.
Zeref Flames of Emotion he won't be able to do it again.
Mercophia literally need an outside power up from another dragon god. Even Ignia said it was temporary.
Aldoron was MASSIVELY weakened.

Ik Acnologia is the strongest but you claim it would be a low diff which it wouldn't.
She is still one of the strongest characters in the series.
I said all leaders were the strongest in their respective Guilds. Never that Minerva and Kagura were stronger than Laxus. Learn how to read stupid.

I'm talking about raw power and damage output from Gottfried.

The diabolos trio are on the same level and Fire dragon king purgatory physically couldn't beat one while Lucy's spell did.

Erza being stronger than Natsu also has feats and statements of backing it up.

Erza easily overpowered Kiria in one of her foddler armors while Natsu was using fire dragon king spells and still had trouble with Madmole.

Fought laxus to a double ko who most people consider Fairy tail's top 3.

When both fought Suzaku the first time he had an easier time to take down Natsu than Erza.

Both fought a BDSK, Erza beat the stronger one canonically while Natsu was on the losing end against one who also was nerfed thanks to the confined space.

Erza canonically Overwritten Gildarts level magic power. The Guild's Strongest Wizard.

It's confirmed Misaki > Suzaku.
The only people who don't see is just to hype up Natsu and downplay Erza.
Suzaku has better feats but he isn't stronger than Misaki, you just can't accept the fact.

 

[FireIce]

Did I just read that Kyria has Madmole-level durability? That Lucy and Erza with her fodder armors hits harder than FDK Natsu? All of this just do downplay Natsu and Suzaku? LMAO.

 

[Garmadooon]

Then why was he pushed back by an attack that would be considered inferior? He is still damaged by them. Just like how Acno was by Igneel if he had no Magic Immunity. It is also stated that those he talks to he doesn’t hold back. That is not the point, Acno’s dragon form is leagues above serious Human Acno form, that’s the point and Jellal lost to August, Yet it was made clear that Acno’s performance is based on his Magic Immunity even against Jellal.

Dude you're not serious....

Because he talked to Irene he took her seriously and wanted to kill her? Seriously ?
He told Igneel early on that he wanted to destroy him because he's a dragon. This is literally the only time Acnologia took their opponent seriously (except Human Acno/God Serena). Even though he is damaged by Igneel's attacks he still resists. And I don't even know why you mention Jellal because his full power Meteor is just a fodder attack for Dragon Acno it's easy to push Acno when he's holding back but as soon as he got serious he caught him in his hand. The author doesn't care that he was beaten by August because the power scaling is inconsistent. Natsu was also beaten by August but right after the author authorizes him to burn FH Zeref.

 

[WoWfan]

Dude you're not serious....

Because he talked to Irene he took her seriously and wanted to kill her? Seriously ?
He told Igneel early on that he wanted to destroy him because he's a dragon. This is literally the only time Acnologia took their opponent seriously (except Human Acno/God Serena). Even though he is damaged by Igneel's attacks he still resists. And I don't even know why you mention Jellal because his full power Meteor is just a fodder attack for Dragon Acno it's easy to push Acno when he's holding back but as soon as he got serious he caught him in his hand. The author doesn't care that he was beaten by August because the power scaling is inconsistent. Natsu was also beaten by August but right after the author authorizes him to burn FH Zeref.

Acno was arrogant, besides thay doesn’t change him talking which makes him serious, because Igneel and Zeref know Acno well, otherwise, that would mean Acno was never serious against Igneel, why would he go serious on someone who is weaker? That’s called durability not resistance. It was father because of Acno’s Magic immunity as the context of the story showed. No, if he was serous Jellal would have been dead instantly, since nonserious Selene crushed Diabolos master with just a nonserious forarm, and he was stronger than Suzaku who “supposedly“ beaten a serious human Selene. Natsu used Savage Flames which is the hottest flames there is, hot enough to burn time which Planck Temperatures can do.

 

[Darklord#10]

Acno was arrogant, besides thay doesn’t change him talking which makes him serious, because Igneel and Zeref know Acno well, otherwise, that would mean Acno was never serious against Igneel, why would he go serious on someone who is weaker? That’s called durability not resistance. It was father because of Acno’s Magic immunity as the context of the story showed. No, if he was serous Jellal would have been dead instantly, since nonserious Selene crushed Diabolos master with just a nonserious forarm, and he was stronger than Suzaku who “supposedly“ beaten a serious human Selene. Natsu used Savage Flames which is the hottest flames there is, hot enough to burn time which Planck Temperatures can do.

I feel that you take every context to serious. It's like you don't think mashima-sensei can break the rules of his own story. I feel like you don't want to accept that the power scaling is really ridiculous. Natsu beat fairy heart zeref but mashima considers gray and gajeel to be his equals. That makes no sense. Acnologia talking with Eileen is just another mashima BS. Hell he hadn't decided if Eileen was Erza's mom when acnologia and Eileen came in contact

 

[WoWfan]

I feel that you take every context to serious. It's like you don't think mashima-sensei can break the rules of his own story. I feel like you don't want to accept that the power scaling is really ridiculous. Natsu beat fairy heart zeref but mashima considers gray and gajeel to be his equals. That makes no sense. Acnologia talking with Eileen is just another mashima BS. Hell he hadn't decided if Eileen was Erza's mom when acnologia and Eileen came in contact

Breaking the rules of a story is one thing, acknowledging it is another, or rather a change to the rules, like a character has changed their ways via character development is another. Example, Jellal was a a power hungry maniac since debut, but then changed into a self loathing emoty shell of a man, the story acknowledged this change. Respectfully but I feel that simply saying that inconsistency is there is not really the case, what the Author has put in is there. Natsu only beat FH Zeref with a one time only spell which the story makes clear it is not something Natsu can use at will, so in a way, any other form would be scalable to that regard. Not really, Acno links her strength to Zeref, who he talked to not long ago, and he even said he could rule the world just like Acno could, and he had no reason to have knowledge of his empire. Lack of planning does not change what is already in place, you can’t change the past into what you want to feel like it makes sense, all you can do it move forward from the established foundations and build on it.

 

[Darklord#10]

Acno links her strength to Zeref,

He said she's strong for someone who learned from the black wizard zeref. No linking to anything

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Breaking the rules of a story is one thing, acknowledging it is another, or rather a change to the rules, like a character has changed their ways via character development is another. Example, Jellal was a a power hungry maniac since debut, but then changed into a self loathing emoty shell of a man, the story acknowledged this change. Respectfully but I feel that simply saying that inconsistency is there is not really the case, what the Author has put in is there. Natsu only beat FH Zeref with a one time only spell which the story makes clear it is not something Natsu can use at will, so in a way, any other form would be scalable to that regard. Not really, Acno links her strength to Zeref, who he talked to not long ago, and he even said he could rule the world just like Acno could, and he had no reason to have knowledge of his empire. Lack of planning does not change what is already in place, you can’t change the past into what you want to feel like it makes sense, all you can do it move forward from the established foundations and build on it.

I feel that you can't acknowledge that Hiro breaks the rules of his own story. Hiro says that gray is equal to natsu in strength but how's that possible when natsu tanked an attack that took at human form selene? How does that make sense. Nowhere in this sequel has gray even been on par with natsu. But Hiro thinks so. The same goes for the knights they were compared to human selene only for Hiro to retcon it and push them back to gildarts level. It is clear as day that Hiro makes up story as he goes, he doesn't plan shit

 

[WoWfan]

He said she's strong for someone who learned from the black wizard zeref. No linking to anything

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I feel that you can't acknowledge that Hiro breaks the rules of his own story. Hiro says that gray is equal to natsu in strength but how's that possible when natsu tanked an attack that took at human form selene? How does that make sense. Nowhere in this sequel has gray even been on par with natsu. But Hiro thinks so. The same goes for the knights they were compared to human selene only for Hiro to retcon it and push them back to gildarts level. It is clear as day that Hiro makes up story as he goes, he doesn't plan shit

That is what I meant considering her as strong, and considering that he as a second form as well. Whether he acknowledged it in story is another matter, like how Natsu was out of magic in Edolas but got magic form tomorrow, whatever that means. Hiro may say things outside of story for giving clarity to things until they are shown in story, but that doesn't change what was already established in story, such as Acno's personality and how that reflects how he fight, nothing dictated in story or out acknowledging any change. At the end of the day, it is Hiro's story and can do whatever he wants with it.

 

[Darklord#10]

That is what I meant considering her as strong, and considering that he as a second form as well. Whether he acknowledged it in story is another matter, like how Natsu was out of magic in Edolas but got magic form tomorrow, whatever that means. Hiro may say things outside of story for giving clarity to things until they are shown in story, but that doesn't change what was already established in story, such as Acno's personality and how that reflects how he fight, nothing dictated in story or out acknowledging any change. At the end of the day, it is Hiro's story and can do whatever he wants with it.

Yes he can do whatever he wants which is why he manipulates data in the manga. Why do you not accept that Hiro retcons a lot he's even confirmed it himself that he can change the story whenever he feels like. It makes us fans look stupid. Kirin and misaki was compared to gildarts but Misaki got two shotted in her own dimension and we both know the next time we see gildarts he'll be much stronger than both of them. Hiro doesn't care if acnologia talks to those he considers strong. He'll make up whatever he wants. Hiro probably forgot that acnologia doesn't talk to those he doesn't see as ants. You're thinking about this thing way too much

 

[MyaHeart35]

Did I just read that Kyria has Madmole-level durability? That Lucy and Erza with her fodder armors hits harder than FDK Natsu? All of this just do downplay Natsu and Suzaku? LMAO.

I'm just telling what happened in the manga.
If any Kiria seems to be stronger than both against their encounters with laxus.
No diff skullion and Madmole together, is base form while using a secret art against Kiria in base form and was only down 2 chapters.

 

[Garmadooon]

I consider Kyria the strongest DE but his defense is not better than Madmolle. The problem with Laxus VS Skullion/Madmolle is that it was off screen so I don't understand how he can counter Skullion's intangibility. Suddenly the author makes us think that Laxus can one shot Mira and Gray at the same time but if he wishes, he will write a fight with High diff.Even if I consider Gottfried stronger than a regular attack of Laxus it does not is not equal to red lightning or FDK. Because otherwise I can say it hits harder than Erza's swords whereas Erza is >>>>> Lucy in terms of Power attacks.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes he can do whatever he wants which is why he manipulates data in the manga. Why do you not accept that Hiro retcons a lot he's even confirmed it himself that he can change the story whenever he feels like. It makes us fans look stupid. Kirin and misaki was compared to gildarts but Misaki got two shotted in her own dimension and we both know the next time we see gildarts he'll be much stronger than both of them. Hiro doesn't care if acnologia talks to those he considers strong. He'll make up whatever he wants. Hiro probably forgot that acnologia doesn't talk to those he doesn't see as ants. You're thinking about this thing way too much

That is what I am saying he can do whatever he wants, but whatever is in his story is the foundation, not what we suspect or believe it to be or come after. Misaki was simply overcame by an opponent who didn't require much physical movement, we don't know if Gildarts got any stronger, considering that when we saw a copy of him that he didn't do much, context is key, he talks to those he considers as strong, and he dubbed Irene and Zeref as strong in those moments from his own mouth, now if there is some time travel nonsense that removes those moments that would be different, considering it has been 3 years in between release since it got mentioned again from Zeref to Igneel to confirm that Zeref was not contradicting himself about not responding to ant's words, I would not count on him forgetting.

 

[Darklord#10]

https://ibb.co/5Tk0HbW look what I just happened to find. Wendy negating the attack she used on acnologia. Acnologia just stomps Eileen ngl.

 

[Garmadooon]

https://ibb.co/5Tk0HbW look what I just happened to find. Wendy negating the attack she used on acnologia. Acnologia just stomps Eileen ngl.

To be fair to Irene, she was under Larcade magic so her attack was reduced (unintelligible because her hax is supposed to be better than Larcade)

 

[MyaHeart35]

To be fair to Irene, she was under Larcade magic so her attack was reduced (unintelligible because her hax is supposed to be better than Larcade)

Yeah especially since she could even attack in that state. Everyone else dropped to their knees and were incapacitated including laxus and Gildarts.

 

[Axiomus]

Acno stomps. Give Irene her dragon form, and he still stomps.

Talking was never a sign that Acno took you seriously. That's just something the fandom made up. Zeref said during the Tenrou arc was Acno treats everyone as insects, and wouldnt even talk to them. So Acno talking to you doesnt mean he sees you as a threat or an equal. You're just important enough not to be seen as an insect. Acno also talked to Zeref. We know know for a fact that Acno is far stronger than Zeref. Acno, Zeref, Irene, and August are all of the opinion that Acno is above the entire Alvarez Empire. Which btw includes Irene.

There is very little difference for Irene between Acno's human and dragon form. First of all, Acno is immune to magic. Right off the bat, the only way Irene has a chance of hurting Acno is if she turns into a dragon and fights him physically. Even then, Irene doesnt hit hard enough to oneshot Erza.

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Also, Larcade's pleasure doesnt weaken your magic. It just made you horny. At best, Irene was distracted by the pleasure. But this means very little, because pain from injury can be just as debilitating. In fact, Kagura countered pleasure by just biting her tongue. The pain from that was more intense the pleasure. Acno had an arm bitten off by Igneel, and we now know wounds by dragons dont heal.

 

[WoWfan]

Nope, the manga stated that is how his mindset works since Tenrou Arc. He said that not talking to them means he doesn’t use all his power. Acno also said that he can do the same thing that he could ruling in the world, so that is a level of threat Zeref is viewed as to Acno which makes sense he would talk to him. Zeref also said that he made it to counter Acno as well. Yeah no if he was immune to magic then he wouldn’t have been sent away by her U1 spell, which means that she can overcome it with stronger spells like how any Slayer immunity can. Erza had Irene‘s empowerment as well. It does weaken as magic is based on mindset as well, if you lack concentration you can’t put your all into it. But Kagura never experiences pleasure before. And Irene has been in constant pain for 400 years

 

[WoWfan]

Anyway, Acno takes this with Magic Immunity and extreme high diff stats.

 

[Garmadooon]

"Extreme high diff" nope. No high diff no mid diff no low diff. He clears.