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I'm expecting the first 5 minutes or so of next weeks episode to be filler, but I highly doubt it will be an entire filler episode.


In the preview they show Gon and his friends are not only sleeping, they are also meet (??) the rest of the participants. I think it will be only 5 minutes or so as filler.
 

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Meh, probably some background checking but I'm sure that is only 5min and then we see how this test ends.
 

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Sorry that this is late--finals season. Anyways, here's the comparison. Get ready for a long one, despite the episodes being so similar to each other.

This episode covers the last 5 pages of chapter 19 through chapter 21 of the manga, and corresponds to episode 17 of the 1999 series.

First things first--Leroute appears.

Convicted of illegal gambling and the trafficking of endangered species, she doesn't exactly look the part of convict (which is why she chooses a gambling match to begin with...). Nippon Animation wanted a battle between two doctors, so Leroute is an "insane psychologist" in the 1999 series, whose pretty face drove men to suicide. While I don't really have a problem with this, I didn't really like the stance the writers took when adapting her in the 1999 series; it's somewhat misogynistic. The 1999 series turns her into a generic heartbreaker and definitely has something against her personality type. Killua and Kurapika, in two instances, call her a "no-good woman" and "a snake of a woman" despite those never being in the manga. I digress.

So Leorio pervs the hell out. Gon doesn't get at first how Kurapika and Killua realize that Leorio is going to bet that Leroute is a man, but Killua tells him in the manga and 2011 series. In the 1999 series, Gon is left as naive as ever. Kurapika explains the situation to Gon and he still doesn't understand why Kurapika and Killua know. Tonpa covers his eyes when Leroute and Leorio "do their thing."

You're so gross, Leorio. I can't believe this version has him keep sniffing his hand after. lol


The series diverge from here. In the 1999 series, Leroute psychologically attacks Leorio. Kurapika calls her an expert at psychological warfare, but I'm not sure that Leroute employs actual psychology in her scene. Leroute calls him "doctor" all of the time--nice touch, especially since she is one in this version.

Leorio falls right into Leroute's trap in the 1999 series. Gon hits him with his fishing rod and Leorio just manages to forget everything attacking his personality that Leroute stated a minute ago. Just in time for rock-paper-scissors.


New series puts more emphasis on the rock-paper-scissors scene by showing Kurapika/Gon/Killua's reactions to it, plus elaborates on the depth in the game. Leroute does it in the manga. I recommend reading up on it--Togashi uses HxH to introduce a lot of interesting theories and logic games that most manga would sidestep. The 1999 series does this too, only it's less comprehensive. The 1999 series is wrong in saying that people tend to throw scissors first--rookies tend to throw rock first.

Leroute bets all of her time instead of 80 hours in the 1999 series. She lies to Leorio about being able to read minds in a bluff in the 2011 series.


Here's something interesting: Gon directly tells Leorio to throw scissors in both animated versions and not the manga, but the implications are different. Gon in the 1999 series tells Leorio to throw scissors because Leroute says "[she's] going to throw paper next"--it's much more a simplistic deduction, since Gon's rationale is that "Scissors beat paper every time." Gon in the 2011 series tells Leorio to do so because he's gone a step ahead of Leroute and knows she assumes Leorio is going to throw Rock or Paper. Mainly because she's done such a good job of manipulating Leorio's emotions throughout the match. Basically, Gon in the 1999 series is naive while Gon in the 2011 series is observant.


Leorio loses, Leroute wins. Whatta pro. Here's a mistake in the manga: the scoreboard behind Leorio says "10" instead of "100."


The prisoners are in direct contact with Lippo in the manga and 2011 series, whereas they don't really speak with him in the 1999 series. They ask Lippo how much time the protagonists have left on their clock in the manga/2011 series. Gon asks Kurapika in the 1999 series.


Here's what you've been waiting for: Johness. His large, eerie eyes have been fixed in this version.


Lippo is excited to use Johness in the 1999 series, while reluctant in the 2011 series. The manga doesn't show his reaction. Lippo is more of a sadist in the 1999 series, though I feel that might be more in line with what we've seen of his character.

Though this next scene isn't in the manga, I loved it. The buildup to Johness as a scary condender is very well done in the Madhouse series. The trembling piano track, the fact that Johness has been silently sitting crosslegged in the back since the prisoners first appeared (nice touch), the visible fear in all of the inmates' eyes and their stances.

Some say that Majitani going after Johness is out of character, but I think that it kind of works? Majitani isn't a great judge of strength, as proven by his match with Kurapika. He doesn't believe in legends, as evidenced by the amateurish and galling way he attempted to mimic the world's most notorious criminals (the Phantom Troupe).

Also, on a side note, this scene also made me think the DVDs might be somewhat decensored. When Majitani is slammed into the wall, his eyes are closed. The next frame, however, has his right eye wide open (in the background) and his body twitching. Look for it, but don't get your hopes up either.



The scene focusing on Johness' arrest is removed in the 2011 series; it's present in the 1999 series. While being arrested, he rips off a portion of the cop's arm who cuffed him. Both versions neglect to mention that he pulled the heart out of a still-living eleven-year-old boy--a shame, since it marks a bit of poetic justice (due to what's about to happen next).


Johness has apparently murdered the captain of the USS Enterprise in the 1999 series.


The 1999 series moves Johness' line "It's been so long since...I've felt the flesh of the world" until after he's already in the ring with Killua. A shame--I thought that this scene was really creepy in the manga. It's in the 2011 series, but I don't like how quickly the line is enunciated.


Now the next scene has been pretty controversial for a number of reasons. I'll try to be as fair as possible when discussing it. While the action was censored, I think it did a fantastic job conveying the tone and spirit of the scene.

Killua plucks Johness' heart out.







The most obvious differences are Johness' heart being wrapped in his shirt cloth and Killua not crushing it in the 2011 series. I feel like the direction of all three versions implies a different tone. So I'll talk about each in detail:

1999 series: Almost exactly like the manga's scene. Shocking and explicit. This version emphasized Killua being a badass. The way he speaks in the 1999 series and the way he's almost always drawn suggest this to begin with--since he never kills anyone in episodes 11/12, he backs it up here. The way the scene is shot (especially the way the music cuts off right as he moves past Johness) assist in this. Though you see Johness' heart in detail, it's entirely bloodless. Even the wound on Johness' shirt is colored in black (and there's no hole either). This is a little problematic, since Killua mentions afterward that his dad could do it without leaving a drop of blood--that's kind of what happened here.

2011 series: Different. Johness' bloody heart is removed, but censored by being torn out alongside some of his shirt. But the horror of what Killua has done is emphasized here. The episode went from jovial and somewhat funny to brutal in that one action. As far as logistics goes (from what I've heard from a couple of others), yes, a heart can be removed from a hole that small. And yes, they do keep beating outside of the body. Johness turns feeble and pathetic. Look at the way he reaches for his own heart and crawls towards it, asking for it back as if that would be his salvation. This is a man set to die. The fact that Killua waits for Johness to die before actually returning it is even more grim. It's dark in a way the 1999 series wasn't. The music that plays afterwards sounds like something out of Shadow Star Narutaru, another series that alternates between cute and horrific (you should probably read the manga of this, if you're interested--fantastic). I loved this scene so much.

As far as Johness' shirt tearing goes, picture it matted down by blood deep inside of his chest cavity. Yeah.

Manga: The sequence of events is a bit different in it. You know how the story goes, but we don't see Killua's expression until after Johness asks for his heart back already. I feel like the 1999 series somewhat messed up by not doing this--look at that wicked smile on his face. It turns into Killua's typical smile as soon as he crushes the heart on the next page. He's playing with a man's life. He cruelly crushes it with a child's grin. Children are capable of doing terrible things, which you'll see throughout the series.


The following scenes in the new series were handled better in my opinion too. Gon's nonchalance is something you should take notice of. He doesn't care that he just saw Killua pull out another man's heart. Gon mentions this so casually it's sort of ridiculous: "Oh yeah, you guys don't know yet. The thing about Killua, he's part of a family of elite assassins." He's twelve. Comes from the middle of nowhere, and he mentions death so casually. Keep this in mind.


The 1999 series has Killua explain his actions while they're still in that arena. The manga and 2011 series have him wait until they reach the break room. Killua's nails retract like a cat's in the manga (as indicated by sfx, anyway) and 2011 series. In the 1999 series, he adjusts his hand in a more muscular manner. Kurapika's wary line about Killua is glossed over in the 1999 series with a smile. It's more emphasized in the 2011 series and manga, as it's at the end of the chapter.



Anyways, that's about it. Phew!
 
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Excellent review, as always. I would link Refraction post to make a bigger insight of the new heart-removal scene, but you explained it wonderfully.

I also did not realize all the differences in the Leruto-Leorio match since all my attention went to Killua :P I also believe the designs are way more closer to the manga now that I compare Leruto as well. Missed how playful She looked.
 

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If you all don't mind, I would like to post my thoughts on this episode as well. This was actually posted last Dec 13 on my tumblr blog.
I think this will add to Popo's comparison/review above. So here goes...


Why the Madhouse version of Killua ripping out a heart is comparable to the manga source and above the Nippon version.

First, this one way massacre was shown by Togashi to:
1. make you question whether Killua is a “bad guy” or a “good guy”,
2. demonstrate the difference in skill between him and the other 3 protagonists and;
3. show how Killua is comparable to Hisoka.

The two adaptation (Nippon and Madhouse) presented these 3 things as intended but they focused on different things. Nippon (as well as the manga) build up Johness the Dissector’s notoriety. His feats are shown; the strength of his fingers that can reduce rocks to sand and the speed of his movement to get a chunk of someone’s arm without the owner’s immediate realization. These feats are demonstrated to make the readers/watchers realized that this serial killer must be avoided at all cost (which is why Leorio insisted that the group forfeit the match).

But what happened afterwards? Killua ripped out Johness heart, presented the still beating heart for all to see and to taunt Johness with and then crushes it with a smile on his face. This part clearly shows that despite Johness’ impressive feats as a serial killer, Killua is way above him in terms of strength and speed - the two things that made Johness “special” from the other criminals.

However, the difference between the manga and the Nippon version is that in the manga, this scene was presented horrifyingly because of Killua’s creepy smile but on Nippon version, it was shown more as a “cool” thing… what’s with the shocked but impressed faces on all characters present (including the examiner, Lippo).

On Madhouse version, instead on focusing on the difference in skill between Killua and Johness (and in extension, the rest of the people on the match), they focused more on what it means to be a child assassin and how similar is Killua to Hisoka.

In this version, Killua ripped out Johness heart as quick as portrayed in the manga although instead of displaying the heart itself, he wrapped the heart on a piece of Johness’ cloth (which was implied to be taken too when he took out the heart). He then taunted Johness with his still beating heart but instead of crushing it, he kept taunting Johness and waited for it to stop beating and Johness to drop dead. He then mockingly “gave back” the heart on Johness’ stretched out hand with a smile on his face and also spend a few seconds to admire his “work”.

All this was done without BGM - adding a creepy feeling on the whole scene. Viewers were forced to pay attention (with their ears and eyes) on the one-way massacre. No distractions in the form of music or shocked faces by other characters. Madhouse hammered to the viewers how similar Killua and Hisoka is and question ourselves whether it is safe to be around him.

Second, this scene is relevant in understanding Gon’s character.

This is where Nippon take a different turn than the manga and the Madhouse version.

In the manga and Madhouse version, Gon was shocked on Killua’s display of his skill in killing Johness but he was not afraid of Killua OR feel anything about a dead man on the ring.

In Nippon version, Gon was seen feeling apprehensive despite his assurance to his teammates that Killua can handle the dangerous man just fine. When Killua took out his opponent’s heart, we saw Gon’s retarded face - he was shown as shocked and have an awkward smile but when you hear his voice, you’ll hear how a little bit afraid he is.

This is a mistake because Gon is never afraid of Killua. True that viewers and readers are supposed to question Killua’s predilection and whether he’s just like Hisoka (just that Gon-tachi doesn’t know it yet). But Gon, after meeting Hisoka, can sense the truly “dangerous” people; it is curious to see that despite knowing Killua as an assassin and seeing him in action, Gon didn’t display any change on his behavior towards Killua.

Third, timeslot and censorship.

We know that the current HxH anime is airing on Sunday morning in Japan where it is considered a “family time”. Meaning lots of kids will be watching the show and therefore, censorship will be more severe than if it aired on a different time slot. As for Nippon HxH tv anime, it was aired every Saturday night at 6.30pm. Despite Madhouse version airing restrictions, their version is still more violent than Nippon’s.

Now let’s examine how these two companies do censorship. In Madhouse version, they handle it through shadows (decapitation and killua’s killing of the 2 candidates) and at the edge, slightly blurred drawings (corpses of the 2 candidates on the blimp and Hisoka taking off a card on someone’s skull) and now through creative use of a cloth.

In Nippon version, they either change the events (Killua just threaten one candidate on the blimp), implied things (Hisoka’s fight with the examiner; we just see the person with a rolled back eyes and Hisoka standing over him) or do bright yellow backdrops to blind as with as seen on Majitani/Kurapika fight and Killua’s heart scene.
 

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This episode was by far the worst one so far. They removed an entire exam, the Sushi exam and spend half of the episode with filler!! I understand about the censorship but at this point there's no reason for them to add fillers, they haven't reached or aren't even close to the manga in order to justify it. :-_-
 

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This episode was by far the worst one so far. They removed an entire exam, the Sushi exam and spend half of the episode with filler!! I understand about the censorship but at this point there's no reason for them to add fillers, they haven't reached or aren't even close to the manga in order to justify it. :-_-

The first half was boring. The second half was better. Technically the fight between
Tompa and Leorio is filler but it at least provided for a little bit of action.

What's worse is next week is probably a recap episode.

Why don't they just use this wasted time to talk about Kite?

Sheesh.

Filler episodes wouldn't be so bad if they weren't an excuse to not animate or write.
 

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This episode was by far the worst one so far. They removed an entire exam, the Sushi exam and spend half of the episode with filler!! I understand about the censorship but at this point there's no reason for them to add fillers, they haven't reached or aren't even close to the manga in order to justify it. :-_-
I disagree with you

I found this episode to be the most enjoyable of them all.
The way hunters were shown as also being humans and how 50 hours really felt like 50 hours. instead of rushing it. it even felt like a real trick tower as one in the video games.
If only i didnt know what was about to happen i would've shit bricks when i saw gon killua and kurapika clearing the room. and even then it felt really good. the humour the drama all in one episode.

too bad next episode will be a recap, hope they will give atleast a small hint about kaito.
 

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Another awful episode. Over half of it was a stupid filler making retards out of characters ("you have to think like fish", lol) and making us watch utterly pointless things. It was a level of Isshoni Sleeping so it was boring as hell. At the end they've made a 2 minute cliffhanger (sic!) to show how awesome they can direct the show :rolleyes:. Seriously people, watch the old show to see how it should be done. The worst thing is, next episode will probably be even more awful :/. This show disappoints me on every possible level.
 

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lol at Goral xD I actually enjoy reading you, all the hate for this series is a nice counter of all our cheesy-goody-likey reviews.

This time I have to agree that the episode was boring. Yes, it's nice to reminds us that they're still person and the passing of time WAS exasperating BUT there is faster techniques for that. It became highly tedious. I did enjoy, though, the arrival of each one who passed. Although the monkey has a penis and it's completely uncalled for xD.


Second part was good, shorter than I would like it but it's still nice. I liked Lippo in the old series mentioning how much He was surprised of the third option of Gon. It would have been a nice touch to bring that up as well. Oh well, this is better than next episode at least.

Take this:

And this:

And then...


And suddenly, sex remarks.
 

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I didn't find episode 12 to be boring at all. The first half was pretty slow but I did liked seeing what the gang did to pass the time. And yeah the monkey was pretty wtf...
 

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Half Filler and a recrap episode of next week ? I really don´t mind putting fillers in there, but it shouldn´t be very often just like other Anime-Studio does like Studio Pierrot with "Bleach".
I hope, that the coming battles and important story-scence are filler-free !!!

Anyway, I will watch episode 11 and 12 on Thursday, because at this day I´have free until next year, yeah ^^
 
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Hello, just got my account sevral seconds ago, but before I do anything else I shall fulfil why I got this account.

As far as hunter x hunter goes for me, I've only seen a few of the old anime's episodes, but heard that there was more content in the manga (not really surprised) so all of my knowledge of the series stems from the manga not the old anime's version. as to why I'm wathing this anime, Madhouse, a pretty good company for animation, is doing this , plus I don't have alot of better things to do at 11:00pm-1:00 am at night so there. I like this anime alot, its not perfect, there are parts that tick me off, but its such a breath of freash air to see a GOOD adaptation of a manga after being heavily disappointed by... sigh... beelzebub's anime adaption...*my hatred for it just won't go away*

Pros(why I like it): The art is awesome, a little too bright yes, but I have a feeling that madhouse can work with it. Tagoshi himself is overseeing this anime production, knowing that puts me at a comfortable position since if new things DO have to be put in, it won't be dumb. I like reliving some of the past arcs. I've found hunter x hunter to be heavily readable as when I'm waiting to for the newst chapter to come out, I would go back to the exam, greed island, and etc. just to relive some of my favorite momments from there, and seeing it being reanimated is quite a treat. They are doing a good job of keeping this consistant with the manga, despite what little filer is shoved in there, the plot is kept the same, theres no dumb side stories and what ever is filler is 'filled' into what ever wasn't covered in the manga, like the 50 hours, they didn't go off on some little side adventure that would have completely screwed with continutiy or the plot, they just gave us these nice little clips on what they were doing.

Cons(what I've disliked): The first example is subverted because I heard Kaito's flashback will come after the exam, but when I didn't see him in episode one I raised a eyebrow. even still I was just happy our very first episode wasn't gonna be a flash back, but I thought it would have been done a little sooner. Episode 6; I've gotten over them cutting out the sushi part, but what I simply could not forgive was that they took out kurapika's face when he was told "THIS IS NO BETTER THAT LEORIOS!*I forgot his number*" I was laughing hard when I saw that in the manga and even tracked it down in the old anime and got the same result! why in chirst's name did they take it out? WHY? the dragging out of trick tower. Before I liked this part, but I guess it was because I marathoned through it, but once Gon and Kurapika's initial actions were ver it got kinda boring, I laughed at leorio's bit but it was still pretty boring. Killua made it better but I don't think I'll be going back to re read trick tower any time soon. Lastly the preview for episode 13 which is a flash back on whats happened sofar. I really, REALLY don't see the purpose of this, and for now of all times! acctually it really shouldn't even be there at all. there's no point! I WANNA SEE THE TAG HUNT!

overall I enjoy this series, and I really am not planning on seeing the old one cause the way I see it its pointless now. unless I feel like going back to see another person's point *no I am not going to watch the whole thing if any of you say "watch it you'll see our point!" If it was for the manga I would since I find the manga or light novel of a series to be the absolute core version, but for another anime adaption, no thanks.
 

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Hello, just got my account sevral seconds ago, but before I do anything else I shall fulfil why I got this account.

As far as hunter x hunter goes for me, I've only seen a few of the old anime's episodes, but heard that there was more content in the manga (not really surprised) so all of my knowledge of the series stems from the manga not the old anime's version. as to why I'm wathing this anime, Madhouse, a pretty good company for animation, is doing this , plus I don't have alot of better things to do at 11:00pm-1:00 am at night so there. I like this anime alot, its not perfect, there are parts that tick me off, but its such a breath of freash air to see a GOOD adaptation of a manga after being heavily disappointed by... sigh... beelzebub's anime adaption...*my hatred for it just won't go away*

Pros(why I like it): The art is awesome, a little too bright yes, but I have a feeling that madhouse can work with it. Tagoshi himself is overseeing this anime production, knowing that puts me at a comfortable position since if new things DO have to be put in, it won't be dumb. I like reliving some of the past arcs. I've found hunter x hunter to be heavily readable as when I'm waiting to for the newst chapter to come out, I would go back to the exam, greed island, and etc. just to relive some of my favorite momments from there, and seeing it being reanimated is quite a treat. They are doing a good job of keeping this consistant with the manga, despite what little filer is shoved in there, the plot is kept the same, theres no dumb side stories and what ever is filler is 'filled' into what ever wasn't covered in the manga, like the 50 hours, they didn't go off on some little side adventure that would have completely screwed with continutiy or the plot, they just gave us these nice little clips on what they were doing.

Cons(what I've disliked): The first example is subverted because I heard Kaito's flashback will come after the exam, but when I didn't see him in episode one I raised a eyebrow. even still I was just happy our very first episode wasn't gonna be a flash back, but I thought it would have been done a little sooner. Episode 6; I've gotten over them cutting out the sushi part, but what I simply could not forgive was that they took out kurapika's face when he was told "THIS IS NO BETTER THAT LEORIOS!*I forgot his number*" I was laughing hard when I saw that in the manga and even tracked it down in the old anime and got the same result! why in chirst's name did they take it out? WHY? the dragging out of trick tower. Before I liked this part, but I guess it was because I marathoned through it, but once Gon and Kurapika's initial actions were ver it got kinda boring, I laughed at leorio's bit but it was still pretty boring. Killua made it better but I don't think I'll be going back to re read trick tower any time soon. Lastly the preview for episode 13 which is a flash back on whats happened sofar. I really, REALLY don't see the purpose of this, and for now of all times! acctually it really shouldn't even be there at all. there's no point! I WANNA SEE THE TAG HUNT!

overall I enjoy this series, and I really am not planning on seeing the old one cause the way I see it its pointless now. unless I feel like going back to see another person's point *no I am not going to watch the whole thing if any of you say "watch it you'll see our point!" If it was for the manga I would since I find the manga or light novel of a series to be the absolute core version, but for another anime adaption, no thanks.
Great first post man :super
 

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I was also eager of that face of Kurapika.

Welcome :D Hope you enjoy this forum. I'm the mod around here so ask me for anything.
 

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Thanks guys! :D
 

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I'm hoping that the next episode really isn't a filler/recap. Why would one be necessary in the first place? It's still far too early for the viewers to be forgetful of past events in the series, and the manga is so way ahead that the new anime won't be getting too close to the latest chapters any time soon. My mind is baffled...
 

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I'm hoping that the next episode really isn't a filler/recap. Why would one be necessary in the first place? It's still far too early for the viewers to be forgetful of past events in the series, and the manga is so way ahead that the new anime won't be getting too close to the latest chapters any time soon. My mind is baffled...
i guess because they still got 1 week left before the winter anime season starts, and they want to start the second half of the exam (and maybe zaoldyeck arc) with a new opening/ending.
 

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I'm hoping that the next episode really isn't a filler/recap. Why would one be necessary in the first place? It's still far too early for the viewers to be forgetful of past events in the series, and the manga is so way ahead that the new anime won't be getting too close to the latest chapters any time soon. My mind is baffled...
I agree. There is no point for a recap at this point in the anime because we are only on the 12th episode, and the manga is still 300+ chapter ahead. I just hope it's no longer than 5 or 10 minutes.....

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i guess because they still got 1 week left before the winter anime season starts, and they want to start the second half of the exam (and maybe zaoldyeck arc) with a new opening/ending.
Actually this makes sense.
 
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I disagree with you

I found this episode to be the most enjoyable of them all.
The way hunters were shown as also being humans and how 50 hours really felt like 50 hours. instead of rushing it. it even felt like a real trick tower as one in the video games.
If only i didnt know what was about to happen i would've shit bricks when i saw gon killua and kurapika clearing the room. and even then it felt really good. the humour the drama all in one episode.

too bad next episode will be a recap, hope they will give atleast a small hint about kaito.
I disagree with you.

I found the episode worst by far due to the things that you mentioned and the fact, that these events never took place in the manga. The thing that pains me the most right now, is also the fact that, they left out the Sushi exam for no apparent reasons. I initially thought back then, that it became the 'victim' due to the fast pacing. But now, I'm not so sure anymore. They left it out for something like THIS episode, 10 minutes full of nothing canon!! Madhouse isn't doing a great job with this Anime, when it's about pacing at first, they were fast as hell, that they even skipped story relevant material and now they're slowing things even down, that they need to put some filler in. Where is the consistency?
 
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