Anime Hunter X Hunter Anime- Fall 2011

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I really appreciate your comparison Popo and the thoughts that you're putting into it. But bashing the older series while praising the new one, will give some people the impression, who haven't watched the old anime, that the new anime is the overall superior one. Which clearly isn't. The old anime just like the new one aren't perfect they both have some flaws but calling the old anime a bishounen show is blasphemy for someone who enjoyed the show.

Are you basing your opinion on a DVD cover? Or the old anime entirely? Because I didn't see it that way. The DVD covers only serve one purpose, which is to appeal to the potential consumer. If fangirls are buying the Dvd's due to the cover, then so be it. The covers itself have nothing to do with the content of the anime. IMO the covers are no more then random drawings of the anime characters, who are appearing on the DVD.

Now to this weeks Episode. Episode 15 was indeed a good one, it started out slow but overall Madhouse did it justice. I personally liked the most in this episode when Gon blended in with his surroundings while observing Hisoka, this is something that the old anime didn't manage to do properly.
 

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I really appreciate your comparison Popo and the thoughts that you're putting into it. But bashing the older series while praising the new one, will give some people the impression, who haven't watched the old anime, that the new anime is the overall superior one. Which clearly isn't. The old anime just like the new one aren't perfect they both have some flaws but calling the old anime a bishounen show is blasphemy for someone who enjoyed the show.

Are you basing your opinion on a DVD cover? Or the old anime entirely? Because I didn't see it that way. The DVD covers only serve one purpose, which is to appeal to the potential consumer. If fangirls are buying the Dvd's due to the cover, then so be it. The covers itself have nothing to do with the content of the anime. IMO the covers are no more then random drawings of the anime characters, who are appearing on the DVD.

Now to this weeks Episode. Episode 15 was indeed a good one, it started out slow but overall Madhouse did it justice. I personally liked the most in this episode when Gon blended in with his surroundings while observing Hisoka, this is something that the old anime didn't manage to do properly.
Right now I say they are equal but I still think the new anime will surpass the old.

I mean if we can get more Killua and Gon vs Netero quality fights..:hee

Plus add that quality with the decrease in censorship :zomg
 

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Right now I say they are equal but I still think the new anime will surpass the old.

I mean if we can get more Killua and Gon vs Netero quality fights..:hee

Plus add that quality with the decrease in censorship :zomg
I think it's the opposite right now. Original series is as of now still superior to the new one. The old anime aired when the manga was still on going back then, that's why I understand their use of fillers because they were close of catching up to the manga. But this one...:gwah
 

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They used just one filler and it was due holidays which is completely understandable. :/ They cut stuff, but I don't care since I don't think Hunter Exam is the best arc of HxH. If they want rating, they must pace up as they did.
 

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I really appreciate your comparison Popo and the thoughts that you're putting into it. But bashing the older series while praising the new one, will give some people the impression, who haven't watched the old anime, that the new anime is the overall superior one. Which clearly isn't. The old anime just like the new one aren't perfect they both have some flaws but calling the old anime a bishounen show is blasphemy for someone who enjoyed the show.

Are you basing your opinion on a DVD cover? Or the old anime entirely? Because I didn't see it that way. The DVD covers only serve one purpose, which is to appeal to the potential consumer. If fangirls are buying the Dvd's due to the cover, then so be it. The covers itself have nothing to do with the content of the anime. IMO the covers are no more then random drawings of the anime characters, who are appearing on the DVD.
Though I posted pictures of the DVD covers, I actually do mean the content. Many people might assume that I don't like the 1999 series, but it's always been one of my favorite anime series.

Prior to Madhouse's adaptation, I would have thought it to be a very faithful one. However, doing these comparisons has forced me to re-read the manga and re-watch the 1999 series with an extremely watchful eye. I have to pay about as much attention to every single panel as I would a page, which gives me a bit of a better understanding of HxH than I used to have.

Since I can understand Japanese significantly better from when I first read the series, there's also differences in language between the 1999 series and manga that have become as plain as day to me now. But a casual reader won't recognize these, due to the most easily accessed translation being an inaccurate Edited Manga translated from French instead of Japanese.

I haven't gone into too much detail about the specific line changes between the manga and anime, nor have I gotten too explicit regarding some of the problems I've found with the 1999 series. This is largely due to my own convenience and time--I have a life and it has nothing to do with HxH.

I'd be willing to explain thoroughly what I mean by calling the 1999 series a "bishonen show," but it would take a long while for me to detail both context and evidence. And let's be real here--how many people actually read my walls of text?
 
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Though I posted pictures of the DVD covers, I actually do mean the content. Many people might assume that I don't like the 1999 series, but it's always been one of my favorite anime series.

Prior to Madhouse's adaptation, I would have thought it to be a very faithful one. However, doing these comparisons has forced me to re-read the manga and re-watch the 1999 series with an extremely watchful eye. I have to pay about as much attention to every single panel as I would a page, which gives me a bit of a better understanding of HxH than I used to have.

Since I can understand Japanese significantly better from when I first read the series, there's also differences in language between the 1999 series and manga that have become as plain as day to me now. But a casual reader won't recognize these, due to the most easily accessed translation being an inaccurate Edited Manga translated from French instead of Japanese.

I haven't gone into too much detail about the specific line changes between the manga and anime, nor have I gotten too explicit regarding some of the problems I've found with the 1999 series. This is largely due to my own convenience and time--I have a life and it has nothing to do with HxH.

I'd be willing to explain thoroughly what I mean by calling the 1999 series a "bishonen show," but it would take a long while for me to detail both context and evidence. And let's be real here--how many people actually read my walls of text?
Well, I will be waiting patiently. Because I did enjoy watching the show and have like many others high expectations regarding the remake.

Just take your time with it. As I have already said, I'll wait patiently for it. We all have a life outside manga that's why you don't need to feel 'pressured' by me. Since you're doing a great job already with your comparisons.

About the walls of text, I do like reading them. :D
It gives me, a non native english speaker the urge to write one as well. And this way I can improve my english even further that's why it's fun to discuss in here despite our differences we manage to keep it civil.
 

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Just to because must be said, I deeply enjoy your texts, Popo. I even look forward them.
 

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Not yet, but I've to admit that I'm happy with it so far. I expected MUCH worse and I was nicely surprised by some thing. Still have to see a real fight to judge. Nen based. So I have time until that.
They used just one filler and it was due holidays which is completely understandable. :/ They cut stuff, but I don't care since I don't think Hunter Exam is the best arc of HxH. If they want rating, they must pace up as they did.
Lol I like how we've got the same point of view regarding HxH from before the start til now :D

I wanted to write more, but I have to go now! later guys

Edit: Well, here I am, again..

Illumi's Needle Transformation was badass.
But my question still stands: The sounds he's making while moving in needle-state...was it always like this? He sounds like a Robot of some kind lol.

I also wanted to say that I like it when people compare screens/scenes from the old anime with screens/scenes from the new Anime plus showing the Manga and which Anime did a Chapter 1:1 to the Manga or is closer to the Manga.

You Guys should make you own Threads with Old,New Anime and Manga comparisons and another one for Recaps/Reviews for each Episodes.
Because I would read every posting and give it a like or even a thanks. Or do both things in one Thread, I hope you'll decide to do that =3


And do we already have a Thread for current Episode and with Stream/Torrent Links kinda like in Naruto's section?
That would be awesome, too.
 
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This is a multipurpose thread. For now I prefer this way since we're low on activity and there are not so much users here right now. I'm sure there will be an increase, but I need to do some things first.
 

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I'd be willing to explain thoroughly what I mean by calling the 1999 series a "bishonen show," but it would take a long while for me to detail both context and evidence. And let's be real here--how many people actually read my walls of text?
*groan* Damn it I lost my post curse you backspace key ~_~

Gist of my post since I am not in the mood to retype that wall of text.

A) Bishounen show how can you expect otherwise in terms of that given that HXH is a product of the period which was defined heavily by a bishounen vibe (e.g. Fuushigi Yuugi, Rurouni Kenshin, Weiss Kreuz, etc) that it would be silly to consider otherwise. However it did deviate from the norm in that...

B) It was the most 'faithful' of anime adaptations during the period and even went used OVAs to supplement missing content due to chapters and releases.

C) No duh pacing would be slower given that they sure as hell had far less chapters to work with, of course this also went in line with Nippon Animation pacing in general. But whether it is an aesthetic choice or not doesn't change the fact that they more or less would have to use a much slower pace given that they did aim for more fidelity than the rest of the animes, and were not necessarily chock full of fillers. The new one has a bulk more of chapters to work with, but surprisingly not THAT far ahead of NA given that we only have the ant arc added (yay for Togashi and his hiatus). Still more stable though compared to worrying about whether you'll catch up with Togashi or not.

D) Its apples and oranges to compare stills of the new and old anime details given that production values from that period AND studio are vastly different. Moreover, stills NEVER tell the true story of something in a MOVING IMAGE (i.e. the value added of an anime) that what may seem like a big deal in a still because you notice all these small things is actually just a very short timespan that more often than not we won't notice due to the time. Moreover, the point of anime production values of both 1999 & 2011 were that they sure as hell are still an improvement over the manga art, but lets face it not very many manga start out 'pretty' or 'well drawn' in the earlier chapters. But HXH in particular was never that good in terms of the art department. Sure they're imaginative at times but that doesn't translate to clean or polished the way both animes add value to the artstyle. Sure there are few instances, ant arc may have upped the ante, but by and large that is not the norm.

E) Speaking of detail I do question at times the amount of emphasis people put on comparing again scenes that are apples and oranges given that the 1999 & 2011 had very different emphasis on certain scenes. Case and point is the Hisoka fight scene at the prison tower clearly 1999 did not emphasis on it much since guy was just fodder while 2011 is praised for making it stylistic. In retrospect how big of a deal was that scene actually? Honestly it was pretty forgettable both in manga and 1999 adaptation only the 2011 decided to use it to show off what they could do but is it necessarily the case that they'd be doing that at everything - I can't tell not enough episodes to judge. Point is though they brought attention to something that never necessarily precluded it in the first place. So that we do have an apples and oranges scenario.

Original post was different but this would be the gist of it. I'm not trying to be an apologist but I'm just not happy with the comparisons being done. One thing I do have a qualm with this adaptation so far is that I’m just not seeing much value added in the animation department. While its nice and all to be faithful I’m not really too fond of adaptations where the director doesn’t really try to infuse their own style into the material. A good comparison would be Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei 1st season VS Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, both are good but I’d easily pick out Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei 1st season over FMA:Brotherhood for the reason that I do like how the director still managed to put himself into the material rather than the other one where I really don’t see the director at all but a very solid yet safe adaptation of the work. I think that as both a viewer and reader that this is one factor to consider, so far I’m seeing this as a pretty safe adaptation for both good and bad.
 
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This is a multipurpose thread. For now I prefer this way since we're low on activity and there are not so much users here right now. I'm sure there will be an increase, but I need to do some things first.
Ah, I see. But you get my point, right? When the time comes it may be better the way I said, but this HxH section is still young and it needs time to grow, I totally forgot that. Well, I'm sure you'll do just fine =3
 

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Episode 16 was brilliant. :D

Creepy Hisoka is Creepy!
 

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If I ever had doubts of which series was better, its cleared today. Hikosa getting excited for a kill was way better in the new one... the way things are going, i expect it to be way better.... and hopefully, it will make the insect arc look better too
 

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Some new news about the upcoming arcs in the anime

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-6745.html

Somebody hasn´t tranlated it, but make a little summary of that:

From what I could make out with the director for the anime says the real fun is yet to come or something. The problem of the how dark the series gets and making it acceptable for the time slot it's in is brought up, but the director says he wants to remain as close to the atmosphere of the original anime/manga as possible. I do see something about the atmosphere drastically changing with the introduction of the Genei Ryodan.
 

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This was a pretty awesome episode. I loved Hisoka's epic rape face after talking with Kurapica and Leorio, and he looked pretty insane when he went in for the kill like that. Was kinda sad Hisoka didn't have the dude's head like in the manga but at least we got to see him dead and it would have been a bit much for the timeslot...

One thing I found interesting though was the thing with the butterfly being trapped in the web since I know that wasn't in the manga. I thought it was a pretty interesting metaphor to the kind of situation Gon is in now thanks to Hisoka letting him live...
 
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Some new news about the upcoming arcs in the anime

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-6745.html

Somebody hasn´t tranlated it, but make a little summary of that: From what I could make out with the director for the anime says the real fun is yet to come or something. The problem of the how dark the series gets and making it acceptable for the time slot it's in is brought up, but the director says he wants to remain as close to the atmosphere of the original anime/manga as possible. I do see something about the atmosphere drastically changing with the introduction of the Genei Ryodan.
Popo translated it, and put it in Narutoforums, :

Popo said:
Hunter × Hunter Anime Director: "I'm happy to hear the general response to the new series, criticism included. From here is where it starts to get really interesting"

Anime Questionnaire: "Hunter × Hunter" From here is where it starts to get really interesting

Tell me, what's the series about and what's so charming about it?

The main character, Gon, after being abandoned by his own father, has yearned to become a "Hunter." Since aiming towards the job, he meets various people and overcomes many trials; it's a coming of age story. Its principles of morality and views on "bad things" are much different from the norm. It's also become a profound work in which a lot of characters can enter the story and each speak in ways incredibly deep.

When adapting the work into animation, what essence of the series was the most important to depict?

Because the original manga first started being published 13 years ago and since the first Hunter x Hunter animated series ended 7 years ago, we made this series because we wanted people who don't know about "Hunter x Hunter" (especially children) to see its charm. Of course, we've had to avoid some grotesque imagery. However, we were especially careful not to ruin the atmosphere present in the original work.

What makes you happiest about being able to create this work? And the opposite--is there anything difficult about it?
Since the original work is fairly well known, sometimes I get comments after it's been animated. I've been quite happy to hear the general response to the new series, criticism included; I feel as if it's a difficult work to do again. I'm a bit worried as to whether or not we'll have to alter the unavoidable grotesque imagery from hereafter.

Please leave a brief message for the readers.
In the Hunter Exam arc, Gon at his core seems like he'd belong in a typical Shonen anime series. But after the Zoldyck Family and the Phantom Troupe are introduced, the ambiance changes. And I think from here is where it starts to get really interesting. I would be happy if you would watch the show with a long-term view.
 

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Music was particularly good this chapter. The one in the exact moment when Gon caught it gave me chills.
This was an above average chapter, IMHO. Not so good in terms of "action" but still intense enough.
 

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The rape face looked even better than the one in the preview! Great episode, especially the face-off between Gon and Hisoka. I still think this episode, as well as the previous ones, felt a little slow but maybe that's just me.
 

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good ep ...
i think they use face of hisoka from the last chapters
when he hiding him self from killua and illume ..
 
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