Anime Hunter X Hunter Anime- Fall 2011

[mrsticky005]

I think they animated the hits, but the Chanel that airs the series censored them, just like some wrestling shows.

they censor wrestling shows?

 

[Beans]

they censor wrestling shows?

yeah, sometimes they do, when a wrestler is about to be hit with a steel chair they don't show the hit but instead they show the crowd, the same way the did in this episode.

 

[mrsticky005]

yeah, sometimes they do, when a wrestler is about to be hit with a steel chair they don't show the hit but instead they show the crowd, the same way the did in this episode.

hm..that's kinda lame in a way. Well not that I watch wrestling anyways. Isn't more about the "story" then the actual wrestling anyways?

 

[MegamanX195]

Interpret those frames the way you want, but for me it seems like a hit shown from different angles. Therefore I'm fully satisfied.

Moreover, in order to criticise your attempts of affirming that this episode was censored, I'd like to point out that even though the direction of that scene was slightly changed, the outcome is more brutal than it may seem at first glance. Believe me that forcefully pushing one's head towards their shoulder is more painful than the way in which Hanzo slapped him in the manga. In order to understand my point, I'd suggest checking the arm movement of Hanzo in the anime which is oriented downards while pushing Gon's head and the way he does it in the manga, where his action resembles a simple and powerful linear hit. Obviously the pain from the action inflicted in the anime will diminish slower, if compared to the same scene in the manga.

I fully agree with all of your points. As I said before, the only things I thought could be improved in the episode was 1) The music could have been slight better used, specifically, the "Hanzo Theme" should have stopped when Hanzo pointed the blade to Gon's head and the tension rised again, and 2) Gon's lack of scream when Hanzo broke Gon's arm. I personally really enjoyed the scream, though I don't remember right now if that was in the original anime or not, but it definitely was in the manga.

 

[Popo]

2) Gon's lack of scream when Hanzo broke Gon's arm. I personally really enjoyed the scream, though I don't remember right now if that was in the original anime or not, but it definitely was in the manga.

Actually, it wasn't. Gon doesn't scream in the manga.

i also used to say, "you better watch this anime as if you've never seen it before." but i realized that this is such a low standard to hold on to. that's basically telling me to look at the story & characters more, how this event will lead to the next, what's going to happen next, etc, while the production values become nothing but an afterthought.

but why should that be the standard i should judge the series i already like to begin with? i like hxh and i've been a fan for 10 years, of course i'd enjoy the story! unless the adaptation is even worse than GI Final, then the strength of the story would always shine through despite mediocre direction. this kind of thinking is also giving too much leeway to madhouse, who's milking the shit out of a great series while barely making any effort at making it good.

but in any case, let me just say that madhouse is definitely bringing new people into the series and for that i'm thankful. but again, that has to do more with the good source material. for madhouse's part, they did very little to enhance the viewing experience.


anyway, yeah, episode 19 wasn't good. can't even get the background right. looking at the credits, it was outsourced to koreans too (why oh why? this is the episode that gon becomes a hunter. they should have given this episode more importance!) i hope next ep is better, but that blinding background would still be a distraction.

I think that it was a fine episode. It does a much better job at adapting the manga with no filler in it. The 1999 series gives Gon ~*the power of friendship*~ and it's so asinine and saccharine sweet. That's not Hunter x Hunter.

 

[MegamanX195]

Actually, it wasn't. Gon doesn't scream in the manga.

Isn't this Gon's scream?

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14043-2/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-34.html

 

[Popo]

Isn't this Gon's scream?

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14043-2/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-34.html

That's a Edited Manga mistake. In the Japanese manga, it's this:

which isn't a scream.

 

[CrimsonChaos]

That's a Edited Manga mistake. In the Japanese manga, it's this:

Yeah, Popo is right , In my language manga also the same sound as the Japanese and in the anime, [sometimes even translated manga can be wrong ,you know]

So....it seems like this Madhouse anime going to stay true to the manga i guess, I heard that Togashi is working with them, i mean guiding the way how it would handled in an episode.

Looking at the rating so far....I think that....

++If anyone who hate or anti-this 2011 anime in every possible way, I guess they should watch the 1999 series and wait for 2011 anime to reach at Chimera Ant Arc and then start watching [because u see if they are already anti at something it is hard for them to change their minds]

++For those who's ok and so so with this 2011 anime and thinks that some episode, the old one is better or some episode 2011 is better, I guess they should watch them separately and put it in a folder ,for example, people who like Hanzo vs Gon in old version just put that episode after episode 18 xD [U know what i mean]

++For those of you who loved to watch and have some opinion, then you guys should express your opinion like the rest of the people here

++For those of you who never watch 2011 HunterXHunter, I totally recommended them to watch from ep.1 xD

++For those of you who thinks they don't want to watch 19 episode because it is too much, I recommended them to watch starting from ep.13 because it is a recap *0* [but you may lose some of good stuff before ep.13]


That's it for now 0.0

Ps.MegamanX195 i think you should rate the episode 9.75/10 because the sounds are the same as the manga now :P [JK] xD

 

[Netero]

I recently just finished watching episode 19 for the 4th time, and I think I'm going to have to change my rating from 8/10 to 9.5/10. The more I watch this episode the more I like it.

 

[thatguy3331]

Guess I'll rewatch when I get the chance, it seems now that we aren't expecting a fantastic flip and dash show you're able to accually be like a human and feel pain for gon XD

 

[ZonikStrike]

I'm not blabbering. The episode was censored. I explained how the manga shows Hanzo hitting Gon three times.
Now if you wish to argue that it does not then please explain how it does not show Hanzo hitting Gon three times.
Or if you think the episode did show it then explain that. But don't just say the episode wasn't censoring
and those who say it is are blabbering. I compared the manga and the 2011 anime and from what I see
the manga does show three hits while the anime skips them.

Three hits? Here they are. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8702/hitsb.png
Don't be saying the animation is lame. You asked for hits. And I don't think there's any need to censor hits. Other battle shonens don't have such type of censorship. Maybe just animation or direction fail.
Still, I loved the episode better than 1999 version.

 

[Kiba]

1999 version was a lot better and the scene when gon said
i am gonna see my dad he is somewhere far away was just epic

in the new episode they dont even played a bg sound in this moment dissapointing

 

[Popo]

It's worth mentioning that Gon speaks politely in the 1999 series (using "My Father" instead of "My old man") when talking about Ging, which isn't in the manga or 2011 series. Also, the 1999 series is reluctant to have Gon swear. I didn't notice it until i started doing the comparisons, but Gon says "Damn it!" an awful lot in the manga.

in the new episode they dont even played a bg sound in this moment dissapointing

There wouldn't have been background music if it actually took place in real life either

 

[MegamanX195]

That's a Edited Manga mistake. In the Japanese manga, it's this:

which isn't a scream.

Just out of curiosity, what does that last one mean?

 

[Uriel]

You know, watching the anime with you guys doing comparison all the time make me enjoy A LOT MORE. Thank you <3
And you know I was about to post that I checked the manga and the three hits were there but I think that pics works better.

And Leorio is more likeable in this new series, btw. I don't hate him now :P
Yes, Leorio. I used to hate you.

Leorio: WHAT?

 

[Crude]

You used to hate Leorio !? I agree though, Leorio is much more likeable in the new series. It helps that his voice actor is known for playing quite a few well liked characters (Hughes!!) . 1998 Leorio was pretty plain and invisible to be honest.

 

[Uriel]

And the gifs as usual:
You all saw this one around:

The dramatic moment:

And then suddenly, Gon did as He uses to do (letting enemies to put a weapon on his m*f* face)

Hanzo gets annoyed...

...And people can't believe it.

...You sire, are taking too much talking

Kick his ass

 

[mrsticky005]

Three hits? Here they are. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8702/hitsb.png
Don't be saying the animation is lame. You asked for hits. And I don't think there's any need to censor hits. Other battle shonens don't have such type of censorship. Maybe just animation or direction fail.
Still, I loved the episode better than 1999 version.

That's the aftermath of the hits. The actual movement and contact is basically skipped over.
Now yes the manga only shows the aftermath as well but that's because you CAN'T show
movement in comics. You have to use certain effects to show what's going on which it does.


The first hit with the karate chop is done the most accurate.
But we don't see the actual hit in the anime. Hanzo's hand should
swing down towards Gon's neck causing Gon to lunge forward
The speed lines and Gon tripping indicate this is what's going on.
We only see an aftermath of the hit and when the hit is supposed
to happen we get a quick zoom in. In short the scene is not
animated and that is how it is censored. Unless it was laziness or direction fail.

The slap is changed to more of a push. Notice how Hanzo's hand is situated
a bit differently than the manga is. Again the effects in the panel show
that Hanzo slapped Gon violently on the ear. Again lack of animation.


The last is changed to a trip. It's different but at least it is animated.


So my beef is with the animation I dunno if it is due to censorship or not.
That I thought it was due to censorship was just my immediate reaction.
But you're right that it could just be direction or animation fail.

Now if you say the manga does NOT show that those scenes should be animated as I described...

then why did they animate Gon kicking Hanzo? Even though you
only see the aftermath in the manga too
if you don't count the effects which show Gon kicking Hanzo?

But in any case I've gotten over it. Right now I'm just arguing for the fun of it. I agree the episode is better than the 99 version.

---------- Post added at 07:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:40 PM ----------

One thing I like to point out is that this episode NAILED it on the gag facial expressions from the manga.

 

[Goral]

(...) It does a much better job at adapting the manga with no filler in it.

No. It does better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime. A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength).

So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job. Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner.

Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium. In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one.

Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua).

Daisuki-chan from Animesuki has made a great post which sums up what I've been saying since episode 1:

Maybe the 2011 anime is more canon with some of the characterization (the various random magic Hisoka has no canon reason to be able to perform and how he was very much more just defending himself instead of proactively playing a murderous examiner earlier are for example quite stupid to me, and in this anime greatly hurt my enjoyment of his character, which I greatly enjoy in the manga and 1999 anime), but I find it hard to enjoy what characterization may be better given the poor music endemic to this series, and also because I care more about plot anyway.

Cutting Kaito from the beginning affects characterization regarding Gon's knowledge of his father/hunters and what that means to him as well, as well as being a large hole in the plot relative to the canon, which will have to be filled in later (and I really doubt a flashback will have the same impact as having this in its proper, canon place, especially given other issues I have), assuming this anime gets that far.

"Merging" Menchi's exam into Buhara's removed all depth from her character (not that I like her much anyway) and removed all subtlety and intelligence (on the part of the characters, who I much prefer to hear the thoughts of than a random narrator; this also plays into characterization for me) from her exam. The censorship of Killua's fight in Trick Tower retarded my enjoyment by a lot, too, as I greatly enjoyed the canon version in the 1999 anime.

Two of the issues (no Kaito, no real Menchi/her exam) I mentioned above make it irritating when time is wasted on filler (whether Gon and Killua being eaten by the frog...very stupid given their obvious superiority in canon over the nameless tards being trapped and killed at that time, or needlessly and painfully extending the time spent in the story on the time they had to spend in that room in the tower, and let's not forget the totally worthless clip show episode either) which has never been any good to me at all. The 1999 anime had some negative filler, but much of what was added worked well for me, of course very especially the two battleship island episodes.

I also can't remember anything more major than the showing of Hisoka vs. Kastro being cut due to censorship (something the new anime has much more of, and often in a way that stands out stupidly rather than blending in well enough) being removed in the 1999 anime, which I've watched four times, and even that was not actually truly removed from the plot, as what happened in relation to it came up normally right afterwards. Maybe these issues are few in number compared to all of the not infrequently highly subjective deviations from canon mentioned in comparisons, but they matter a great deal to me and thus can easily outweigh even hundreds of trivial changes.

Taking away canon and adding filler are simply not the same to me. I haven't watched much of it, but I know Naruto's [first] anime is nearly pure filler in the second half. Nonetheless if it included 100% of canon I would consider it more canon that an alternate Naruto that removes a "mere" 5% of canon and only adds a moderate amount of filler. The 1999 Hunter X Hunter anime didn't add that great a quantity of filler, and given that it wasn't all bad and even had amazing parts to it, in contrast to the solely useless or bad filler in the 2011 anime, it should be easy to understand that I don't honestly consider this new anime to be that highly canon at all.

The music in this version is just poor to me and really sucks the life out of scenes, and does so rather consistently. It also helps to enforce the high level of "shounenness" the time slot for this anime "demands", whereas the 1999 anime was darker, more subtle most of the time, and thus has more "seinen" appeal to me, something the manga also has quite a lot of; perhaps more and more over time. In contrast the 1999 anime had music I enjoyed a good deal, which I felt to express well a feeling of adventure (something I enjoy), among other things. I care about music a lot so this is one of the biggest factors to me for these anime, which contrast highly on this to me. The voice acting is also commonly clearly inferior to me in the new anime for side characters and also for Hisoka.

The 1999 anime also had suspense quite often, and maybe this was easier to accomplish due to drawing out the pacing for a fair while at first (including too much for me towards the very beginning, although me not much liking the filler then is the main factor in my feelings on those episodes), but what's there is there, and the 2011 anime simply lacks suspense over and over again to me, and when you combine this with crappy music and all the rest I simply find it hard to get into this version much anymore. It's been well over a cour's worth of episodes and improvement hasn't been nearly extreme enough to me, and most of that improvement is simply due to me enjoying certain exams more than others.

(...)The 1999 series gives Gon ~*the power of friendship*~ and it's so asinine and saccharine sweet. That's not Hunter x Hunter.

WTF are you talking about? That sentence alone shows how biased you are towards old and new anime resolving even to unsubstantiated allegations. There was no "power of friendship" involved, that's nonsense. And I'm not even talking about adapting manga up to this point (so around episode 29), but overall adaptation. The only power of friendship I can think of is that his friends sometimes motivates him to do certain things but that's exactly how it works in manga.

Unmistaken they were when they said the tongue was boneless. The majority of people who expressed their opinions on today's episode nagged when material was skipped, but now when they receive what they have been waiting for - that particular flawlessly adapted episode, they are still unsatisfied. Do me the favour, you user, of comparing the manga with the anime before commenting here, because you embarass yourself, act ignorant and create a chain reaction of stupidity.

I haven't seen people like that on the forums (not only this one). mrsticky005 for example was praising the new anime all the time and only now I've seen him criticizing it. I on the other hand didn't want 1:1 ratio in the first place and from the start was saying that old anime > manga > new anime and that not everything that works for manga works for the anime. So do me a favour, get your facts straight before criticizing someone. And seriously, looking at the poll and people who voted on "new anime is better" makes me laugh when I know that most of those people don't even remember (or vaguely remember) old anime (like Uriel for example).

 

[Uriel]

I would take that as direct troll. Because I'm not a bitch, I wont delete that post. Next time you TEASE me I wont doubt a second.
I understand that you HATE the new anime, I honestly do. But insulting me saying that I just like it because I don't remember is something I wont allow. Personally.

You have an opinion, and it's understood. Some of us have another opinion AND IT'S NOT WRONG. In any case, both are just opinion. Happens that Popo makes an excellent argument against haters by SHOWING and COMPARING the three cases which lead us to have better sight. If I don't accepts your posts because I feel that it's doesn't have strong arguments, that's a different issue.

I strongly recommend to tone down the speech a little bit if you don't want me in your ass all the time. And yes, I tend to be a bitch at those times.


AND THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY. Respect the other opinions, whatever that is. BUT OVERALL RESPECT THE OTHER USERS OR I'LL START TO WHIP.