Anime Hunter X Hunter Anime- Fall 2011

[ZonikStrike]

Don't wanna do any quoting, but they actually showed contact in those three hits. Yeah, animation was kinda lame, I agree.

 

[Host Samurai]

I value others' opinions and not mistakes. The fact that some users kept blabbering about this episode being censored, despite being almost the coloured version of the manga chapters that were adapted, is wrong in so many ways.
In addition, while the older adaptation did a great job at extending the fight it pictured Hanzo as more of a fool than he actually looked during this match. As a human, I admit that I have felt the emotional impact, but it was overdone with the price of distorting the characters.

btw I am not annoyed, at least on the internet

I also respect other peoples opinions and their corresponding “mistakes”. You explained it nicely this adaption is nothing more then the coloured version of the manga. According to that they stayed close to the source material but since this is an anime adaption, there is a major difference, which this anime is sometimes lacking, it's to create an proper atmosphere of danger especially in this episode.

@Uriel: I think it's way too early for this kind of a poll. Because this series is still fairly new with only 19 episodes, while the other is already complete.

 

[steadynco]

Netero saying "no" to Killua was damn hilarious in this episode, really made me laugh XD. Was there a scene like this in the old anime? (in the manga, Netero just has a serious expression).

 

[Netero]

@steadynco Netero's crazy face is only in the new anime.

 

[Popo]

No. It does better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste

I disagree. I think that Madhouse letting Togashi's direction take precedence over their own. This is why the series feels more like the manga than the 1999 series, which added filler to most episodes in order to stretch them out.

and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime.

This is a bit of unfair criticism, since the 1999 series does this much more frequently than the 2011 series. Filler is added into every single episode. Despite your preference for episode 28 of the 1999 series, it comes after the 1999 series completely changes the order of the matches in order to make Kurapika look like more of a badass.

The 1999 series also turns Hanzo, Geretta, and Leroute into anime-cliched "bad guys" by making their personalities one-dimensional. It also tends to censor dialogue, which many fans of the 1999 series aren't considering.

The themes of Togashi's work aren't preserved, which is a major issue. Without those, Hunter x Hunter becomes something entirely different. Furuhashi is more interested in the themes of homesickness, longing, redemption, importance of friendship, etc. These show up throughout his adaptation in places where they initially were not in the series, altering the relationships and conception of all of the characters.

A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength).

That's not how Hisoka would go about doing it. Proof? He doesn't do it in the manga. Hisoka in the manga is surprised that three people make it out of Gon's group instead of all four--not that it took so long for Gon to reach the bottom. He had absolute faith in Gon passing the entire time and that's where the difference is.

Also, the reason why I called it "generic" is because the line itself is generic in Japanese. It's one of those anime-typical lines that rears its head in so many series that it almost becomes a saying.

It's worth mentioning that it takes Hisoka 12 hours to finish Trick Tower in the 1999 series instead of 6, though.

So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job.

There are numerous instances in which it's clear that Furuhashi didn't do a close reading of the source material or changed it to suit his own needs. The mistakes in the 1999 series are proof of this, like having Mito being related to Gon's mother. Furuhashi gets so caught up in portraying the themes he feels are important that he completely misses or blatantly alters many things that Togashi tries to do with the series.

The characterization of Killua, for instance. Furuhashi misses the mark on character moralities, so he has Killua struggle with his urges to kill throughout the Hunter Exam arc (and throughout the rest of the series, actually). But this isn't something that Killua ever has to deal with in the manga--in fact, on the contrary. In the manga and 2011 series, you still aren't supposed to know whether or not Killua is another Hisoka. Readers don't get insight into the true nature of Killua until the Final Phase, which I find to be important.

There are loads more examples of this.

Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner.

How offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself for that second sentence.

Utilizing narration like Togashi does in his manga isn't laziness--it's innovation. Togashi could have just as easily drawn the series without a narrator, but one has been present in HxH since the beginning of the series. The narrator literally makes an appearance in the first chapter. It's such an important voice in the series that it doesn't make sense not to include one.

Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium.

By using secondary characters as a medium, isn't that still hand-holding? It isn't any less subtle or overt, it simply removes the omniscient presence in the story. The scenes of Menchi, Buhara, and Satotz commenting on Kurapika in episode 27 and Gon in episode 28 are examples of this. I'll transcribe some of those lines later today in example.

In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one.

Some of Menchi's comments in the 1999 series' version of this fight are extremely unnatural. I'll post them later today so you can judge for yourself. But I'm surprise that you think that Menchi's comments were done "worse than in the old one," especially since that scene was in the manga and done exactly the same way.

Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua).

It's supposed to be a big deal that Gon could stand up again so soon after being attacked by Geretta. Gon has a much higher tolerance to pain/drugs than normal people, even if it's not as high as Killua's.

WTF are you talking about? That sentence alone shows how biased you are towards old and new anime resolving even to unsubstantiated allegations. There was no "power of friendship" involved, that's nonsense. And I'm not even talking about adapting manga up to this point (so around episode 29), but overall adaptation. The only power of friendship I can think of is that his friends sometimes motivates him to do certain things but that's exactly how it works in manga.

Pay attention to the conversation in episode 28 right after Killua comments on the lighter mood in the room. Satotz, Menchi, and Buhara say something like "the reason why Gon was rated so highly is because of his ability to draw people close to him and make friends"--the power of friendship. This isn't so much as even insinuated in the manga and is a major difference between Furuhashi's Gon and Togashi's Gon.

Furuhashi's version speaks in a polite manner, is flawless (or at least the series isn't directed in a way that seriously considers anything Gon does to be "wrong"), makes friends with everyone he meets, and has "I just sorta know" as his catchphrase. A lot of these are the opposite of the Gon that Togashi tries to craft--one who can be just as easily criticized by the audience as he is praised. Togashi's Gon is more balanced. Furuhashi's Gon is a mary-sue.

I could point out numerous times in which the 1999 series makes a filler comment regarding how polite and nice Gon is, as well as show you exactly where the series absolves him of any sense of responsibility.

I truly believe that Furuhashi didn't come into the series with a good understanding of the protagonists; this is most easily judged through the 1999 series' filler. Watch episode 27 or 31 and pay attention to the ways the protagonists act. Leorio is a boor who only can say obvious things (the 1999 series rarely gives him any credit), Kurapika's morals reign supreme in every situation (and the 1999 series tries to make him look as cool as possible in episode 27--count how many times side characters make comments that boil down to "Kurapika is awesome!"), Killua's eyes are typically drawn to be more narrow and his comments typically come across as OOC (he is also drawn to be taller, therefore older, than Gon), etc.

 

[heron bpv]

A bit off-topic but still...
Glad this didn't turned out into an epic flame war like I have expected after Goral's post. Also glad to see that a reasonable portion of the forumers around here actually likes the new anime. =]

 

[Host Samurai]

A bit off-topic but still...
Glad this didn't turned out into an epic flame war like I have expected after Goral's post. Also glad to see that a reasonable portion of the forumers around here actually likes the new anime. =]

Thats something that won't happen in this section. Even though we have different opinions we still act civil. Goral's post wasn't that bad except for the Uriel part other then that, it was a good read IMO.

 

[Beans]

In my opinion I think the Manga was a lot more better than the old series, and we all know the new series is closer to the manga, therefore the new series is better for me than the old one.

 

[Crude]

I could do without the narration actually. I don't really like it in the manga (I really disliked it in the Chimera Ant arc) nor do I really like it in the anime. I prefer the characters themselves to serve as narrators.

 

[Beans]

Interesting! Isn't it?

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

I disagree. I think that Madhouse letting Togashi's direction take precedence over their own. This is why the series feels more like the manga than the 1999 series, which added filler to most episodes in order to stretch them out.


This is a bit of unfair criticism, since the 1999 series does this much more frequently than the 2011 series. Filler is added into every single episode. Despite your preference for episode 28 of the 1999 series, it comes after the 1999 series completely changes the order of the matches in order to make Kurapika look like more of a badass.

The 1999 series also turns Hanzo, Geretta, and Leroute into anime-cliched "bad guys" by making their personalities one-dimensional. It also tends to censor dialogue, which many fans of the 1999 series aren't considering.

The themes of Togashi's work aren't preserved, which is a major issue. Without those, Hunter x Hunter becomes something entirely different. Furuhashi is more interested in the themes of homesickness, longing, redemption, importance of friendship, etc. These show up throughout his adaptation in places where they initially were not in the series, altering the relationships and conception of all of the characters.


That's not how Hisoka would go about doing it. Proof? He doesn't do it in the manga. Hisoka in the manga is surprised that three people make it out of Gon's group instead of all four--not that it took so long for Gon to reach the bottom. He had absolute faith in Gon passing the entire time and that's where the difference is.

Also, the reason why I called it "generic" is because the line itself is generic in Japanese. It's one of those anime-typical lines that rears its head in so many series that it almost becomes a saying.

It's worth mentioning that it takes Hisoka 12 hours to finish Trick Tower in the 1999 series instead of 6, though.


There are numerous instances in which it's clear that Furuhashi didn't do a close reading of the source material or changed it to suit his own needs. The mistakes in the 1999 series are proof of this, like having Mito being related to Gon's mother. Furuhashi gets so caught up in portraying the themes he feels are important that he completely misses or blatantly alters many things that Togashi tries to do with the series.

The characterization of Killua, for instance. Furuhashi misses the mark on character moralities, so he has Killua struggle with his urges to kill throughout the Hunter Exam arc (and throughout the rest of the series, actually). But this isn't something that Killua ever has to deal with in the manga--in fact, on the contrary. In the manga and 2011 series, you still aren't supposed to know whether or not Killua is another Hisoka. Readers don't get insight into the true nature of Killua until the Final Phase, which I find to be important.

There are loads more examples of this.


How offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself for that second sentence.

Utilizing narration like Togashi does in his manga isn't laziness--it's innovation. Togashi could have just as easily drawn the series without a narrator, but one has been present in HxH since the beginning of the series. The narrator literally makes an appearance in the first chapter. It's such an important voice in the series that it doesn't make sense not to include one.


By using secondary characters as a medium, isn't that still hand-holding? It isn't any less subtle or overt, it simply removes the omniscient presence in the story. The scenes of Menchi, Buhara, and Satotz commenting on Kurapika in episode 27 and Gon in episode 28 are examples of this. I'll transcribe some of those lines later today in example.


Some of Menchi's comments in the 1999 series' version of this fight are extremely unnatural. I'll post them later today so you can judge for yourself. But I'm surprise that you think that Menchi's comments were done "worse than in the old one," especially since that scene was in the manga and done exactly the same way.


It's supposed to be a big deal that Gon could stand up again so soon after being attacked by Geretta. Gon has a much higher tolerance to pain/drugs than normal people, even if it's not as high as Killua's.


Pay attention to the conversation in episode 28 right after Killua comments on the lighter mood in the room. Satotz, Menchi, and Buhara say something like "the reason why Gon was rated so highly is because of his ability to draw people close to him and make friends"--the power of friendship. This isn't so much as even insinuated in the manga and is a major difference between Furuhashi's Gon and Togashi's Gon.

Furuhashi's version speaks in a polite manner, is flawless (or at least the series isn't directed in a way that seriously considers anything Gon does to be "wrong"), makes friends with everyone he meets, and has "I just sorta know" as his catchphrase. A lot of these are the opposite of the Gon that Togashi tries to craft--one who can be just as easily criticized by the audience as he is praised. Togashi's Gon is more balanced. Furuhashi's Gon is a mary-sue.

I could point out numerous times in which the 1999 series makes a filler comment regarding how polite and nice Gon is, as well as show you exactly where the series absolves him of any sense of responsibility.

I truly believe that Furuhashi didn't come into the series with a good understanding of the protagonists; this is most easily judged through the 1999 series' filler. Watch episode 27 or 31 and pay attention to the ways the protagonists act. Leorio is a boor who only can say obvious things (the 1999 series rarely gives him any credit), Kurapika's morals reign supreme in every situation (and the 1999 series tries to make him look as cool as possible in episode 27--count how many times side characters make comments that boil down to "Kurapika is awesome!"), Killua's eyes are typically drawn to be more narrow and his comments typically come across as OOC (he is also drawn to be taller, therefore older, than Gon), etc.

I totally feel like Gon when reading your posts. :-P Like I had no idea that the 1999 series had so much different about it until I read your posts Popo. Of course I didn't start reading the manga until after I saw the 1999 series so that has a lot to do with it. Although there is a lot I prefer with the 1999 series (Music, some of the voices, and the animation for some scenes being a bit slicker than the 2011 intineration) I think 2011 is doing it's own thing in it's own right. I call heavy bullshit for those who claim that they would prefer the 2011 series to go off the beaten path like the 1999 did. For every person who liked the 1999 filler, there was a person who didn't like it. I know for one thing, I would hate to be an anime director with fickle fans like these. >_> I stick to the manga! You hate me. I add things here and there! You hate me. It's enough to make a guy want to stick with drawing the lack of backgrounds in Bleach. Such is the way of an anime fan.

Despite one's like or hate of the new anime, I really applaud Popo for actually having references to the old series to counter points. Any person can just say '1999 rOOLZ 2011 suuuxxors lulz' but she has patiently listed point and counter point to why one series isn't better or worse than the other. I agree with some that the pacing for 2011 should really move a bit more, but I also admit that this is because I reaaallly want to see the Ants arc animated.

Most of all, not trying to styme those with an opinon, cause I always like reading them, but dude if people hate the 2011 series so much, why the fuck would you keep watching it? Before someone blasts me, I do own all of the orignal 1999 series as released by Viz, and the OVAs as released by Nippon animation. I am not just blowing it out my ass. There is plenty I love about that series. Though again I didn't know that Furuhashi-san had taken so many liberties with the script and the characters. I have to admit some of them I kind of liked, while others are kind of appalling. Which prods a thought, what if people who seem to prefer the 1999 version to the 2011 version that sticks to the manga to a T prefer Furuhashi's HXH to Togashi's HXH? I wonder indeed.

In any case 1999 is 1999.
2011 is 2011.
The manga is the manga.

Enjoy the one that suits you and quit bitching about the others, unless it's constructive bitching. I'm sure the lot of us who simply want to enjoy HXH animated will appreciate your kindess.

And once again thanks for coming all the way from Animesuki to bring your posts here. I may not say it on each one Popo, but I appreciate it.

 

[mrsticky005]

No. It does better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime. A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength).

So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job. Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner.

Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium. In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one.

Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua).

Daisuki-chan from Animesuki has made a great post which sums up what I've been saying since episode 1:


WTF are you talking about? That sentence alone shows how biased you are towards old and new anime resolving even to unsubstantiated allegations. There was no "power of friendship" involved, that's nonsense. And I'm not even talking about adapting manga up to this point (so around episode 29), but overall adaptation. The only power of friendship I can think of is that his friends sometimes motivates him to do certain things but that's exactly how it works in manga.

I haven't seen people like that on the forums (not only this one). mrsticky005 for example was praising the new anime all the time and only now I've seen him criticizing it. I on the other hand didn't want 1:1 ratio in the first place and from the start was saying that old anime > manga > new anime and that not everything that works for manga works for the anime. So do me a favour, get your facts straight before criticizing someone. And seriously, looking at the poll and people who voted on "new anime is better" makes me laugh when I know that most of those people don't even remember (or vaguely remember) old anime (like Uriel for example).

You haven't been paying much attention then. I've expressed my disappointment
in previous episodes as well most particularly the lack of Killua crushing the
heart and the lack of Hisoka hysterical laughter in the 5th episode.
I think the 99 version did a better job of adapting those scenes.
However for the most part the 2011 series is a better adaptation
of the manga. That you think the 99 series is a better show doesn't
really matter. The 2011 series still sticks closer to the manga
even in spite of the early censoring. Another thing since the censoring
of the episodes was taken down a notch that is part of the reason
my expectations have been raised.

It's one thing to have a difference of opinion but you seem to have
already made up your mind to hate the 2011 series.
In fact it doesn't even have a chance since you prefer
the 1999 anime to the manga and so you hold the 99
series as the measuring stick to compare the 2011
series to which it will never measure up to since
the 2011 series is NOT supposed to be the 1999 series.
It's supposed to be like the manga. It's supposed to
be a 1:1 ratio. And while the 2011 series has missed
the mark a few times (hisoka in episode 5, no crushed
heart Killua, no sushi exam) it's still rather close to the manga.
Closer than the 1999 series was to the manga.
The 2011 series is the better adaptation. Again your
opinion of which you like better doesn't really matter.

In my opinion the new anime is better and I remember the old anime.
In fact I own all four box sets. I would own the OVAs if they were in English.
Of course unlike you I DO want a 1:1 ratio with the manga.

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Don't wanna do any quoting, but they actually showed contact in those three hits. Yeah, animation was kinda lame, I agree.

does it? to be honest it goes by fast so I have a hard time telling?

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I for one enjoy the narration.

But maybe that's because I'm a retard?

 

[Beans]

I for one enjoy the narration.

But maybe that's because I'm a retard?

I also have no problem with the narrator, maybe I'm a retard too.

 

[Goral]

I would take that as direct troll. Because I'm not a bitch, I wont delete that post. Next time you TEASE me I wont doubt a second.
I understand that you HATE the new anime, I honestly do. But insulting me saying that I just like it because I don't remember is something I wont allow. Personally.

Wow, now that's rich. Where did I disrespect you (or anyone else for that matter)? Unless writing "no" or telling the truth is disrespectful. Seriously, how is stating a fact insulting? Because it's a fact that on several occasions you've admitted that you don't remember old anime too well. Let me be more clear so that you won't accuse me groundlessly of trolling:

THANK YOU! I deeply enjoy those and makes me have a better perspective of what I am seeing. I enjoy this series more than the older one and it's hard to discuss when you don't have the proper tools to do it.

As always, it's awesome to have your review! Makes me feel that I'm not this crazy for liking the new series xD

(...)I also did not realize all the differences in the Leruto-Leorio match since all my attention went to Killua :P I also believe the designs are way more closer to the manga now that I compare Leruto as well. Missed how playful She looked.

or saying that in the new anime there is more information than in the old one
or (and this one shows it explicitly) saying:

Wow, thanks for those links! Now I know this version IS superior.

In other words, only after reading Popo's comparison you became convinced that new anime is better than the old one since earlier you didn't even remember the differences.

Also, it's funny how you're calling me a troll for writing the truth. You even have the audacity to say that you're being generous by not deleting my post which is neither offending nor disrespectful O_O. I must have really hit the nerve by coming to the conclusion you don't remember old anime too well which you've indirectly and directly admitted yourself.

Indirect proof of you not remembering old anime too well is that your every post (which in this thread usually is one or two liner, not including pictures) has the sentence "new anime did better than the old one" without elaborating or adding any arguments. One would think that at least at some point you would point out what exactly was better and how different was it from the old anime but I haven't seen anything like that coming from you. Don't want to multi-quote to prove my point but I hope you will have the decency to admit it.

And I have to address this specifically:

insulting me saying that I just like it because I don't remember is something I wont allow.

How did you get from:
And seriously, looking at the poll and people who voted on "new anime is better" makes me laugh when I know that most of those people don't even remember (or vaguely remember) old anime (like Uriel for example).
to:
[Insert an insult here] Uriel likes it only because he doesn't remember old anime.

 

[Beans]

@Goral what you're saying is not the truth, it's just your opinion.

by the way I watch both version of the anime so I can decide witch one is better, and yet the new one is better for me because it's closer to the manga!

 

[TheAmericandream]

It's getting kinda heated in here ever since the "which do you prefer" came into play, as a new member I guess I'll throw my two cents in.

I definitely prefer the original anime to basically every other version of Hunter X Hunter (this includes the actual manga) what made me fall in love with the series initially was the original adaptation the fusion of the animes changes mixed with the manga, but at the same time to continue the series I had to read the manga. The first anime starts out really slow, so while I prefer the original (and possibly always will) I really appreciate the hell out of the new Hunter x Hunter anime because its drawing in new fans, fans of the manga only (who didnt like the old anime) and will continue the story for fans like me and Goral. I hope we can at least all get along as a community once that happens.

I hadn't realized how different the versions of the series are until the new version came out but there's no reason we can't be a bit more civil with our opinions about the adaptations? (This goes when defending or critiquing either series) I think some Hunter X Hunter is better then no Hunter X Hunter right?

That all being said I was fairly disappointed with the most recent episode but only its just been hard realizing how different the 1999 anime was, so for fans who were originally drawn in by that episode 19 is definitely far enough into the show to tell me it won't ever be like old Hunter. Or maybe not? I keep watching it anyway, and I love the new animation so I at least have that to enjoy in the mean time while I wait for them to catch up to Greed Island (which I think was adapted pretty poorly compared to every other Hunter X Hunter anime). In hindsight I'm really glad for this reboot with its spectacular animation, if we got NGL as an OVA in the mid 2000s who knows what it would have ended up like?

So my opinion so far is probably
1999 anime = Phantom Troupe OVA 2002> 2011 anime > Greed Island OVA > G.I Final OVA

I think depending on how you got into Hunter X Hunter your preference with the anime is somewhat based on that (1999 anime is like a childhood friend to me), I'd be really interested in how new fans are getting into it or what their initial thoughts are, I am having a hard time evaluating it on its own merits and not just analyzing it to death as a remake.

 

[Uriel]

You using "retard" in your post and being deliberately insulting those who like the new anime is what I call troll. Maybe I wasn't specific about that and for that I apologize. But you CAN'T and I repeat CAN'T insult even by just calling retards in generic. I'm not naive, Goral, and I did understood all your point across. Not putting a word before my name doesn't make it an innocent post. I know because I tend to troll like that myself.

As a side note, if I post that it's not that I don't remember the anime too well, it's because it's nice to have the comparison at hand at the moment of comparing.The tool I mention is the language. I sadly don't manage English as well as I would want to since I can't make my point across too well in this language. When I forgot about Leruto is because I just didn't have too present in the moment I view the new anime since I had the manga more fresh in my head. So well, your interpretation of my posts were a bit far off but that's ultimately my fault.

And yes, I do have the nerve. I'm the mod here, like it or not.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Though again I didn't know that Furuhashi-san had taken so many liberties with the script and the characters. I have to admit some of them I kind of liked, while others are kind of appalling. Which prods a thought, what if people who seem to prefer the 1999 version to the 2011 version that sticks to the manga to a T prefer Furuhashi's HXH to Togashi's HXH? I wonder indeed.

Aside from the horribly inconsistent changes, I am one of those people who think it goes like this Furuhashi's HxH > Manga version
That being said I love both, but I just had a hard time getting into the manga every time (mostly due to the inconsistent and somewhat hard to follow artwork) How quick things moved along compared to the slower paced anime actually bothered me among a few other things. NGL really grew on me though so I can say I really do love Togashi's manga writing, I just think he needs someone like Furuhashi to elaborate on some things ( I feel this way about the filler in Yu Yu Hakusho too) Major plot inconsistencies like Mito's family relationship changing does really bother me though especially since it paints her as a more pathetic character and Ging more villainous. Not only that if she ever was actually in the manga that would have been a huge problem. But besides this major inconsistency I had no problem converting from the 1999 series to NGL.
I love the 2011 series though its just not one of my favorite anime series like the 1999 series. *I'm still trying hard to decide which series I'd want to start my friends who are new to Hunter on, since I really dislike the lack of Kite being in the first episode*

You know, this whole 1999 vs 2011 really makes me think of Full Metal Alchemist and DragonBall Z Kai in how the fandom split having two anime. I was also more on the side of the original Dragonball Z for its good filler episodes which I felt got me more attached to the characters (even if they aren't canon) and the old soundtrack. But what finally won me over was the fantastic dub track it got in english which was much more accurate to the japanese for the first time. I just find it hard to get THAT excited about a reboot of a show that I found mostly perfect (just on being entertaining) I understand its point but it made it hard to get excited about, sadly the odds of 2011 Hunter getting a push in American markets seems really slim due to the lack of success 1999 HxH had and how anime just seems so much more niche now a days.

Is anyone else interested in the idea of HxH being released over here in the US? With a Dub that doesn't suck? A good Dub alone could really get my excited but I thought the first anime's english dub was atrocious. How sweet it would be if Justin Cook (voice actor of Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho) could voice Ging Freecss

 

[Noonealive]

The old series was in insult to the manga. The reason why most people stopped watching in Japan was because of that reason. Furuhashis interpretation of HxH was totally opposite of what Togashi wanted. The dialogue was changed and the personality of the protagonists were portrayed in a way where the characters seem like friendship was above everything else. The characterization was done wrong, that's why there is a re-make. I'd prefer things be done right and look bad than be wrong and look good.

What the re-make is doing is paving the road to what HxH is all about. The old series was good but it didn't last because of the fact that it was changing the story. HxH is back and now it's being done right. Until it reaches the last arc where the old series had left off than we could judge the series as whole because 20 episodes can't be compared to 62 episodes plus the OVA's. There is really no argument on which is better until the re-make catches up. Plain and simple. IMO.

 

[TheAmericandream]

I think calling the 1999 series an insult to Togashi is a bit harsh (it is better at adapting the manga more closely by Yorknew (granted I know you could argue the damage is done)) But it tells the broad strokes of the story and from what I've read in a poll (conducted not many years ago) Japan it was noted as one of the 100 most important animes of all time. I would think that it was pretty well received in Japan for what that's worth.

I definitely agree though a more accurate anime is nice to have for fans of the manga. And all fans want to see the actual story told consistently, not broken up via OVA's like back in the early 2000's. I'm so glad we're getting it how we are, I could have never imagined Hunter X Hunter could get the resurgence it is getting now. There hasn't been a better time to be a fan.