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[isrnick]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Where can I find spoilers of HxH once they are out?

Edit: Found it. In NexGear.

Spoiler of Chapter 300:

Spoiler

Spoiler Script

Source: 2ch
Credit: Nja
Verification: Confirmed

277 ：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2010/03/09(火) 21:00:26 ID:SdIao3//0
これも簡単に

王は一切でてこなく
ゴンとピトーの所から始まり

治療が終わったのを悟ったゴンが　治療終わったな
治療を終わらせた素振りのを一切見せていなかったつもり�
�ったピトーが
汗ﾀﾗﾀﾗ
そこに　もう最後までいると決めたナックル・キルア・女�
�が登場し
ポックル？ｗｗでもつけておくか？途中でにげても場所わ�
�るだろ～
ゴン　俺はピトーを信じるよ
ゴゴゴゴゴ　あせるピトー
その子はナックル達に任せておいて治療が終わり次第開放�
�るよ
だから俺のことも信じて欲しい
ゴゴゴゴゴ　さらに焦るピトー

ピトーとゴンが出発

ナックル　ゴン一人で行かさせて大丈夫か？
キルア　いあここは俺がいって～俺がピトーに捕らえられ�
�ら人質の意味無いし～
　　
とかで終了かな
最後目が覚めた小麦が状況把握できてなくあたふた焦って�
�所で完

674 ：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2010/03/09(火) 22:07:35 ID:SdIao3//0
補足
ゴン　治療終わったね
ピトー　傷口は隠して見えないはず治療終える素振りも出�
�ていないのになぜ！？）
ゴゴゴゴ
ピトー　（終わった今なら立ち上がり左手一本でゴンの首�
�吹き飛ばせる）
ピトー　まってくれコムギを…（隙をうかがうんだ～）
ゴン　　その子どうなっても知らないよ～なんちゃら
ピトー　ゴゴゴゴゴ　ﾀﾞﾗﾀﾞﾗﾀﾞﾗ

こんなピンポインツのやり取りでピトーが動揺しまくりで�
�ックルたちが合流

んじゃさらば

Script Translation 1

Source: NexGear
Credit: DarkLordOfKichiku
Verification: Confirmed

No sign of the king this week.

Pitou finishes healing Komugi. Gon tells Pitou that it's time to go. Pitou is nervous, sweating. Apparently Knuckles, Killua and someone more is also there. Gon tells pitou that he trust/believes in Pitou and therefore he wants Pitou to trust/believe in him as well. Pitou is apparently stunned by this. Gon and Pitou leaves. Knuckles asks if it's alright to let him go alone. Killua's answer seems to be affirmative and he says something about there being no point in a hostage or something. Chapter seems to end with Komugi waking up.

Script Translation 2

Source: NexGear
Credit: EbaForeva
Verification: Confirmed

Below is my translation of the spoiler from Chinese into English, not sure if the person who did the Japanese Chinese translation got everything correctly though.

The King didn't appear in this chapter. It started w/ Gon and Pitou inside the palace.

Gon sensed that the healing had finished so he told Pitou that the time for healing was up.

Pitou's pretence that the healing hadn't finished was exposed so he streamed w/ sweat.

At that moment, Killua, Knuckle, and Palm showed up.

Knuckle wanted to put Pot Clean on Pitou b/c that way even if he (Pitou) ran away en route it'd still be possible to track his location.

Gon said he trusted Pitou.

Pitou felt uneasy.

(Gon?) then handed Komugi to Knuckle, asking him to let her go once the restoration (of Kaito?) was finished.

This made Pitou feel more uneasy.

After Pitou and Gon had left, Knuckle: Is it ok to let Gon go alone?

Killua: I'm going w/ him, even if I were to be captured by Pitou, I wouldn't have any hostageship value (the Japanese Chinese translator is not sure about the meaning of this sentence).

Komugi woke up, she was anxious b/c she couldn't grasp the situation.

Script Translation 3

Source: NexGear
Credit: kewl0210
Verification: Confirmed

Ok, I'm back now. So here's the translation:
これも簡単に
This one's simple, too.

王は一切で てこなく
The king doesn't show up at all.
ゴンとピトー の所から始まり
It starts from where Gon and Pitou are.

治療が終わった のを悟ったゴンが　治療終わったな
When Gon discerns the treatment is done, he says "So the treatment is done?"
治療を終わらせた 素振りのを一切見せていなかったつもりだったピトーが
汗タラタラ
Having planned to finish it without showing any sign of having done so, Pitou sweats.
そこに　もう最後までいると 決めたナックル・キルア・女ｗが登場し
There, Knuckle, Killua, and the girl(lol) appear having decided to stay to the end. [I guess he can't remember the people's names. Probably Palm.]
ポックル？ｗｗでもつけておくか？ 途中でにげても場所わかるだろ～
Pockle? (lolx2) is with them, too? Even if you run away mid-way, I'll know where you are, you know? [Eh, so I can't tell what he's talking about here at all... Some of this seems to be quoting someone and not him describing what's going on.]
ゴン　俺はピトーを 信じるよ
Gon I believe in Pitou.
ゴゴゴゴゴ　あせる ピトー
GOGOGOGO Pitou feels frustrated.
その子はナックル達に任 せておいて治療が終わり次第開放するよ
He leaves the child to you Knuckle and co. and they leave as soon as treatment is finished.
だから俺のことも信じて 欲しい
So I hope you'll believe in me, too.
ゴゴゴゴゴ　さらに焦る ピトー
GOGOGOGOGO Pitou gets more up tight.
ピトーとゴンが 出発
Pitou and Gon leave.

ナックル　ゴン一人で行かさせて 大丈夫か？
Knuckle: Is it okay to let Gon go alone?
キルア　いあここは俺がいって ～俺がピトーに捕らえられたら人質 の意味無いし～
Killua: Yeah, if I went and got caught by Pitou, there'd be no point in just becoming a hostage. [It's really hard to tell what the subject and what the object is here... I dunno, this sentence could have many meanings based on the context.]

とかで 終了かな
And it ends like this.
最後目が 覚めた小麦が状況把握できてなく あたふた焦ってた所で完
Komugi finally wakes up and doesn't know what's going on and gets all worked up. End.


補足
Supplement
ゴン　治療終 わったね
Gon So the treatment's over, right?
ピトー　傷口は隠して見えないはず 治療終える素振りも出してい ないのになぜ！？）
Pitou (Even though I'm sure I hid the would so he couldn't see it and gave no sign that the treatment was done, how did he know!?)
ゴゴゴゴ
GOGOGOGO
ピトー　（終わった今なら 立ち上がり左手一本でゴンの 首を吹き飛ばせる）
Pitou (Now that it's done, I'll use my left hand I've built up to blow Gon's head off.)
ピトー　まってくれコムギを… （隙をうかがうんだ～）
Pitou Please wait, Komugi... (I'll watch for a moment he lets his guard down.)
ゴン　　その子どうなっても 知らないよ～なんちゃら
Gon I don't know what'll happen to that child. ~Just kidding.
ピトー　ゴゴゴゴゴ　ダラダラダラ
Pitou GOGOGOGO SWEATING SWEATING
こんなピンポインツのやり取りでピトー が動揺しまくりでナックルたちが 合流
Completely disturbed by this exchange of pinpoints, Knuckle and the other arrive.
んじゃさらば
Njya, see ya.

 

[shouryuujo]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

maybe pitou is nervous because kaitou cant be turned back or he is planning to backstab gon?

 

[Dive]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Well, whatever happens...I just hope that we get an OVA soon, haha!

 

[isrnick]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I'm just keep wondering since the healing process of Komugi began... Has Nefelpitou corrected even her eyesight?

That would explain her startled behavior in the and of this chapter when she awoke.

Edit: Oh, no. Doesn't look like that is the case, she still didn't open her eyes in the RAW.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I looked at this week's chapter, and there is no message about Togashi is going on hiatus, also on preview page Hunter is included on next issue. So, I think Togashi might not going to hiatus, this time.

 

[Wowzers]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Ch300 has been translated on the RTS page.

 

[njt]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I'm guessing you guys didn't fully get the meaning behind this chapter.

Let me try and break it down for ya.
Up until now we've seen the humans vs the ants as the good guys vs the bad guys. What Togashi has done here is given the enemies humanity. A reason for *them* to fight. In most shounen manga the common theme is - when you have someone to fight for, you become stronger, right?

Normally it's the good guys winning because they're trying to protect the people they love. Well have you been seeing where this is going? The king was fighting to find out more about himself. Wanting to know who he was seeing as he was born incomplete (not knowing his name) Found it out - was blown up by someone he considered an enemy.

Now imagine the destroyed king as a baby(thus the small form, and the final image), and both Yupi and Pufu as his mother. By nursing the king back to health through giving up a part of themselves is like creating a bond with a child - a love so deep - so unconditional that the sight of the king regaining his strength was a joy hardly expressible through words. And something I'm sure Togashi has experienced first hand through having his own kids.

So now why was this a bad thing for the humans? They're an even stronger family they have ONE hell of a reason to fight and protect it now :3.

Anyway, for those of you who thought it was stupid - or that the chapter was a waste, hopefully you give it another chance^^

 

[Goral]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I know what Togashi meant but I don't like it. The ants appeared too suddenly and what humans did in 3 million years they did in 3 days. So to me there are two options that I could put up with.
1) Ants win, wipe out most humans and make a stock-farming of them, humans start to degenerate - the end of human species as we've known
2) Ants are wiped out completely by humans which would mean that humans were higher on the ladder of species (and that is more likely since they have science on their side and bombs as big as a 1 cent coin that can wipe out whole city as we've seen in 298th chapter)

Any other option would make me like HxH less (especially "living happily and in harmony with ants" option). This whole arc feels so forced to me and far-fetched and out of place in Hunter x Hunter world that I don't think Togashi can change it unless he resets everything and gets rid of these annoying bugs.
IMO it is stupid that Togashi wants to make bad guys that committed genocide look good. Every tyrant had a good side also and every tyrant had a reason to fight. So? In many cases tyrant helped his own country to prosper. So? That wouldn't change the fact I would like him to be wiped out. I don't see the point of "giving ants humanity" besides prolonging the story that shouldn't even start to begin with.
Seriously though, trying to get all psychological in a shounen manga is pointless and looks stupid. I'm not reading shounen for that. Of course "nothing is black and white, it's all shades of grey". Every person that makes other things than reading manga knows that. And if I wanted to read about it Hunter x Hunter (or some other shounen) would be the last source of knowledge I would choose.

 

[isrnick]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I don't think the king will survive, no matter what.

I doubt that this "almost death experience" has changed him in any way, in fact I believe that it will only make he dislike humanity even more, but now because of the fear of what the humans are capable of.

And all this "love" Yupi and Pufu have discovered will just be fuel to increase their fanaticism to the King. Making them even more dangerous.

The only one who has any chance of ending up alive is Pitou, since she is far away from Meruem for too long, and is being exposed to Gon and his way of thinking, so she might end up becoming one of the good guys. But even so her power is too convenient, she can bring people back to life, this isn't an ability someone should have, and this would make the manga too boring since even if one of the good guys eventually dies she could just bring him back to life. So I believe even she will probably die.

The only thing I don't wanna see Togashi doing is making Meruem become Gon's final enemy... Something in the lines of: This fight being postponed and one side having to retreat, just so that afterwards Meruem completely recovers and Gon gets more power, and then they fight each other as a final battle.

I wanna see this crisis ending soon, so that Gon can go look for other challenges. I am even hoping for some new character showing up in the scene, one of the few hunters stronger than the President, to finish off Meruem for good.

 

[Pavitre]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

shit I thought gon was gonna fight pitou after her healing was complete. hmm i was expecting some bad ass fighting between them though

 

[Youth Explodes!]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

@ Goral : the Ants arc in HxH is just a remake of the final demons arc in Yuyu Hakusho : the demons become good (like the father of Yusuke) when they start their "diet", i.e. they stop eating humans. That's just what's going to happen with the Ants in HxH. If you haven't read Yuyu Hakuhso, you can watch the anime online, it's not bad at all.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I'm guessing you guys didn't fully get the meaning behind this chapter.

Let me try and break it down for ya.
Up until now we've seen the humans vs the ants as the good guys vs the bad guys. What Togashi has done here is given the enemies humanity. A reason for *them* to fight. In most shounen manga the common theme is - when you have someone to fight for, you become stronger, right?

Normally it's the good guys winning because they're trying to protect the people they love. Well have you been seeing where this is going? The king was fighting to find out more about himself. Wanting to know who he was seeing as he was born incomplete (not knowing his name) Found it out - was blown up by someone he considered an enemy.

Now imagine the destroyed king as a baby(thus the small form, and the final image), and both Yupi and Pufu as his mother. By nursing the king back to health through giving up a part of themselves is like creating a bond with a child - a love so deep - so unconditional that the sight of the king regaining his strength was a joy hardly expressible through words. And something I'm sure Togashi has experienced first hand through having his own kids.

So now why was this a bad thing for the humans? They're an even stronger family they have ONE hell of a reason to fight and protect it now :3.

Anyway, for those of you who thought it was stupid - or that the chapter was a waste, hopefully you give it another chance^^

Thank you for those words.

I just cant descripe my thoughts of this Chapter better.

Hope here more Guys who will listen to this, and think about the meaning.


/edit

What i wanted to add:

This Arc, is an arc of feelings.
We saw all different types of Emotions in very different characters.

Gons Anger, Meryems fear, Killuahs Fear (well those were two different types of fear), confidence, hope, joy... and in 299 unconditional love...


Think about.


And if you think about the fist time you read hunter x hunter, and overlook the whole arc, you will might be able to suggest, that this arc fits totally to HxH.

A hint: Single Hunter, Double Hunter or Tripple Hunter, all of them, exspecialy Gin Freaks, recieved big achievements in all different categories around the world.
For Gon, saving Humanity from the chimera ants will be a big achievement for sure. And this will bring him ab big step forwards to Gin, who might become interested in his own son, because of Gons achievements.

Hope you understand what i wrote :/

 

[Magnus]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Yes i do.

About the last chapter, I loved Gon's expressions and lines, just terrifying.
But, does he seriously think that Kaito might be brought back to normal ? He's just a soulless puppet, there's normally no way that he could be revived. Pitou may end up telling Gon that he can't do anything for Kaito.

On the last page there's absolutely no mention of hiatus or something like that. So we can expect another chapter to come. But a hiatus can still occur at anytime.

 

[Dive]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

About the last chapter, I loved Gon's expressions and lines, just terrifying.
But, does he seriously think that Kaito might be brought back to normal ? He's just a soulless puppet, there's normally no way that he could be revived. Pitou may end up telling Gon that he can't do anything for Kaito.

Would you rather him not try at all? There's a reason why Togashi is doing this. Kite is important to Gon. Either Kite is going to be revived, or Gon is going to go through a major character development.

 

[shaheer]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

but i dont get it y pitou was apprehensive?
he is DAMN strong, and i doubt Gon could have done anything deadlier than staring at him like that, i mean even Netro said he was weaker than Pitou (or sth i dun remember precisely )

and dont you guys think that the ant arc is winding a bit too much?

 

[EbaForeva]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

but i dont get it y pitou was apprehensive?
he is DAMN strong, and i doubt Gon could have done anything deadlier than staring at him like that, i mean even Netro said he was weaker than Pitou (or sth i dun remember precisely )

and dont you guys think that the ant arc is winding a bit too much?

It's true that Pitou should be able to behead Gon in the blink of an eye. But unlike us readers, he knows very little about Gon's abilities, also, he's not experienced in evaluating his opponents b/c the only human he's fought agaisnt so far was Kaito (the brief face-off w/ Netero shouldn't count). Hence, he can only act by his animal instinct, which tells him that Gon is so dangerously sharp and has such a great determination that if he (Pitou) tries anything funny Komugi may be killed first. Protecting Komugi was the King's order so Pitou simply won't dare to do a single thing against the good guys untill her safety is 100% ensured.

 

[Saifi]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

In the HxH world, there's no good or bad, everyone is judged by their motives and the current complexities they currently deal with.

Netero had a bomb planted in him because he fully understands that principle, in which life and death doesn't matter, but the eradication of the threat to harmony of the human world.

Gon holds Komugi hostage because he knows Pitou acts only upon the safety and orders of the King, and to ensure his goal is reached, he will do anything.

 

[Host Samurai]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Gon was damn impressive. He didn't only take Komugi as a hostage but he trust Pitou now too. And if Pitou betrays Gon then, he won't hold back because that way it'd be easier for him to finish Pitou off.

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/242/02/

I think Gon character development isn't finished yet, it depends now on Pitou, if he can 'fix' Kaito. And if he fails to bring Kaito back, then we'll see another evolution in Gon's character. I hope for this.

 

[chikkychappy]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

exactly. that's what togashi is trying to do here i think, turning the tables on who is good and evil around. it's a shame this intention is not more apparent in the manga itself