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Re: Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread - Part 1

Personally ,I felt that the 1999 version made kurapika more remorse and guilty instead of soft.After killing off both Uvogin and Pakunoda ,he was guilty about killing them and was haunted by their death.(During greed island arc,when he had fever ,he kept seeing them.)
actually I agree. I think this fits better.

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at first the only part I liked about Greed Island was the bomber story because that was an actual fight.
But now I'm really liking all the aspects. Yes it is essentially a training arc but it's great.
 

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The best part of Greed Island is Genthru, a start to finish excellent antagonist. I still believe he is the best villain in the whole of Hunter x Hunter (even more so than the King), mostly because he is such a mysterious character. Still to this day there is a lot of mystery surrounding him. I want to know more about him and his connection with Sub and Bara.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread - Part 1

Only thing I disliked about Genthru was his character design which also looked pretty meh imo. But that might have more to do with the way he was drawn in the OVAs. I actually prefer the way the characters (Gon in particular) were drawn in the OVAs, except for how detailed their eyes looked in G.I. Final.
 

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I find Genthru to be probably the least compelling of the HxH antagonists when I think about his character by himself (even less so then Tonpa). Though I think in the context of the arc he is interesting. The fact that Gon had the balls to face so many opponents up to now, his crazy goes full tilt as he sacrifices his life almost fighting Genthru. For me Genthru vs Gon easily tops Gon vs Pitou in terms of the impact it had on me. I also really like Genthru's abilities, they're terrifying. You wouldn't think such psychopath's would be lurking in a game like Greed Island, but its a big part of what made the arc interesting. Sub and Bara to me always felt like good friends of Genthru, like his old college roommates or something :P. I like that he did actually care about them at the end despite being such a crazy. So I guess I enjoy Genthru, just not as much as every other antagonist in HxH. Gon vs Genthru is one of my favorite battles in the series though since Gon is my favorite HxH character.
 

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I find Genthru to be probably the least compelling of the HxH antagonists when I think about his character by himself (even less so then Tonpa). Though I think in the context of the arc he is interesting. The fact that Gon had the balls to face so many opponents up to now, his crazy goes full tilt as he sacrifices his life almost fighting Genthru. For me Genthru vs Gon easily tops Gon vs Pitou in terms of the impact it had on me. I also really like Genthru's abilities, they're terrifying. You wouldn't think such psychopath's would be lurking in a game like Greed Island, but its a big part of what made the arc interesting. Sub and Bara to me always felt like good friends of Genthru, like his old college roommates or something :P. I like that he did actually care about them at the end despite being such a crazy. So I guess I enjoy Genthru, just not as much as every other antagonist in HxH. Gon vs Genthru is one of my favorite battles in the series though since Gon is my favorite HxH character.
Yeah Genthru has a very random, pedestrian appearance (done on purpose), not a larger-than-life charismatic super villain like Hisoka, Kuroro, Chimera Ant King, yet he's done things that felt more horrible those three. He has the look of a 3rd tier background baddie that the heroes beat up while sleep walking...yet he inspired this frightening threat looming over the game the entire way. So it made him so refreshing because he's not a cool likable villain (which is what Togashi is good at writing)...he barely has any redeeming value, and so effective.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread - Part 1

Yes I think Genthru is still used very effectively, and I don't think we're necessarily meant to "like" him. Then again, I don't think we're supposed to like Tonpa, but I love that dopey guy.

Holy shit, I think this AMV for Hisoka is pretty amazing, also I think it manages to use footage from the OVA's 1999 and 2011 fairly well (less jarring then I'd thought it'd be)

 
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Only thing I disliked about Genthru was his character design which also looked pretty meh imo. But that might have more to do with the way he was drawn in the OVAs.
So HxH is a very expressive manga. Characters' faces distort and change all of the time. But Genthru is one of the few in the manga who largely remains expressionless, sans a few instances of delight (usually coupled with a malicious action) and rage (against Gon). I also appreciate the fact that you rarely see his eyes; when reading the manga, I assumed that he might be wearing sunglasses with colored lenses.

I really disliked how the G.I. Final OVA tried to make Genthru's face more animated. His face contorts into these strange and evil expressions; his hair receives a random coif spiked atop his head. I'll pull out some examples today, but the ways in which he's drawn in that OVA are noticeably different.
 

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No I remember Popo. Go for it! Genthru's design is sort of a mess in GI Final.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread - Part 1

I just wanna give you guys a little bit of an analysis of Genthru's character (manga only, OVA Genthru is an inaccurate depiction).

When we first meet Genthru he appears to be a 'good guy', he's got the look of a good guy and seems to be doing the nice thing of informing a group of newbies of a dangerous enemy known as the Bomber. Not long later it's revealed that all of this was a deception concocted by none other than himself, the severity of which is immense. He has placed a time bomb onto every one in that group and offers them their lives in exchange for their cards. Knowing that he can't allow anyone who knows his identity to live, all three of the bomb devils release the explosives which kills the entire group in the most gory way imaginable. Now this could be percieved as Genthru enjoying killing, but I take it in another way, I take it as Genthru viewing their deaths as a necessity in order to move forward to his goal (win greed island and get the prize money). The money drives all three of these mysterious antagonists, we never truly know why exactly they seek this money, why they need it or what their motivation is at all, Togashi intentionally leaves that open ended.

The bond however between Genthru, Sub and Bara however speaks a thousand words. Genthru's ability requires his two friends help in order to release it, showing that he trusts them more than anyone else, so much so that he bases a part of his ability around them. That's not the end of it though, after being defeated by Gon, Genthru refuses being healed in favour of healing his friends. It's through his interactions with Sub and Bara that we see his innate humanity beneath the dark exterior. These three have a long history together, perhaps even childhood friends. They view eachother almost as family. Sub and Bara clearly admire Genthru and want to help him achieve his goals, but why? Why do these three need the money? To what ends? I'm not buying 'to be rich' or 'they are just psychos', I feel that there is a much deeper reason behind their desire to win the prize money, there is a reason these three are as dark as they are, but much like a similar looking villain form Yu Yu Hakusho (Toguro) we never truly know the mysteries of these characters, but there is still a slight glimmer of humanity underneath these characters and that humanity is in their bond of friendship.

Genthru uses fear in order to get what he wants. He spreads the story of the bomber in order to incite fear in others, why does he do this? Because to him inciting fear is a strength. When he encounters Gon, he tries to incite fear into him as well, but is shocked when he realises that Gon isn't like the others, Gon is crazy. There was no other person in Greed Island that could defeat Genthru. Genthru underestimated Gon, only viewed him as a child easily able to be scared, when he realises that is not the case he fumbles and is ultimately defeated by his inability to incite fear in Gon. Gon does not fear the Bomber, he welcomes the challenge with open arms, because he is unhinged.

The battle with Genthru is the most important battle in Gon's development because Genthru is built up to be a fearsome foe, not just because of his powerful ability but also because of his skill at spreading despair, yet Gon is the only person who isn't afraid, he will do anything to beat Genthru, even if it kills him. It's the most interesting battle for Gon and is one that deserves much more analysis.

Genthru is still largely a mysterious figure, we never find out his true motivations or his fate, everything is left hanging, waiting for the moment Genthru can return. I feel there is so much more stories to be told with his character.
 
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Though I can't see a comparison to Toguro at all, I don't see anything about Genthru as noble or deep. It's possible he has more lofty goals but I just felt he was sick and enjoyed being able to kill whenever he wants. Now that doesn't mean he wasn't without some morals, he cared about his friends in a similar way the Spiders do almost. But I always thought the goal of clearing the game was sort of like other psychopaths in fiction, an excuse to pass the time and keep on killing. I mean he is laughing whenever he kills, and they even make sport of the guys they use to obtain more cards. Genthru is a depraved lunatic and I enjoy him for that, though I do wish I had more insight into his character.

Actually speaking of that, did Gon and Killua not turn them over to the Authorities at the end of Greed Island? I don't remember them doing it, but its been a long time since I've read the manga adaptation of the arc (and well Edited Manga translations suck). I'm not sure why they wouldn't honestly, they heal them I remember that much. But why let a killer like him free? Was it out of respect?
 

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Though I can't see a comparison to Toguro at all, I don't see anything about Genthru as noble or deep. It's possible he has more lofty goals but I just felt he was sick and enjoyed being able to kill whenever he wants. Now that doesn't mean he wasn't without some morals, he cared about his friends in a similar way the Spiders do almost. But I always thought the goal of clearing the game was sort of like other psychopaths in fiction, an excuse to pass the time and keep on killing. I mean he is laughing whenever he kills, and they even make sport of the guys they use to obtain more cards. Genthru is a depraved lunatic and I enjoy him for that, though I do wish I had more insight into his character.

Actually speaking of that, did Gon and Killua not turn them over to the Authorities at the end of Greed Island? I don't remember them doing it, but its been a long time since I've read the manga adaptation of the arc (and well Edited Manga translations suck). I'm not sure why they wouldn't honestly, they heal them I remember that much. But why let a killer like him free? Was it out of respect?
Gon and Killua leave them. Not so much out of respect, but more that Gon doesn't feel that Genthru is a bad person. To Gon this was all a game, Genthru lost and Gon won. You could make an arguement that Gon does not view any of Genthru's murderous actions as 'bad'. After all Genthru was just playing the game right? Gon does not think of Genthru as a bad guy, more like a final boss of a video-game, just an obstacle to overcome in order to complete the game. If I recall correctly, there is never a single moment in which Gon says or thinks that Genthru is a bad person, in fact it's more the opposite, in some ways he appears to understand and empathise with Genthru strangely enough. Genthru is in many ways the type of person Gon wants to become and defeating Genthru is one step into that direction. Gon wants to be fearsome, he wants to be strong and by the time we get to Gon vs Pitou, he has become that person. He has become a reflection of Genthru in many ways. Gon sees Genthru as someone to admire more than someone to hate. Very interesting stuff that is often overlooked. Greed Island is a brilliant arc.

There is also a quote from Genthru that really embodies his philosphy:
"The trick is to show how calm yet crazy you are" - Genthru.
This is something we come to relate with Gon in the Ants arc.
 
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Gon and Killua leave them. Not so much out of respect, but more that Gon doesn't feel that Genthru is a bad person. To Gon this was all a game, Genthru lost and Gon won. You could make an arguement that Gon does not view any of Genthru's murderous actions as 'bad'. After all Genthru was just playing the game right? Gon does not think of Genthru as a bad guy, more like a final boss of a video-game, just an obstacle to overcome in order to complete the game. If I recall correctly, there is never a single moment in which Gon says or thinks that Genthru is a bad person, in fact it's more the opposite, in some ways he appears to understand and empathise with Genthru strangely enough. Genthru is in many ways the type of person Gon wants to become and defeating Genthru is one step into that direction. Gon wants to be fearsome, he wants to be strong and by the time we get to Gon vs Pitou, he has become that person. He has become a reflection of Genthru in many ways. Gon sees Genthru as someone to admire more than someone to hate. Very interesting stuff that is often overlooked. Greed Island is a brilliant arc.
Sorry, but this is all nonsense. The only thing that is marginally true is the idea that Gon considers G.I as a game between Hunters and that therefore they should enter the game with an expectation of risk.
 

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Sorry, but this is all nonsense. The only thing that is marginally true is the idea that Gon considers G.I as a game between Hunters and that therefore they should enter the game with an expectation of risk.
No, it's actually a very sound analysis. Gon does want to be feared. And in fact, he admires the enemies that give him chills. Hisoka, Razor, Genthru, etc. Despite the fact that all of these men have no business being role models to the boy, Gon still identifies with them and tries to understand them. In essence, he never judges anyone for their actions. He often reacts with anger and confusion, but never hatred.

However, this all changes after he sees Kite during those "Reunion" chapters. I'll update this post later with more details, but they're pretty important in tracking Gon's character development. For the first time, Gon realizes what it truly means to hate.

futurefrog, I really liked your writeup on Genthru. I've never even really considered reanalyzing his motives until now. You're right--if he was after material wealth, Genthru would have had a considerably easy time acquiring it with his abilities. Even if he is not a professional Hunter, he could become one with no problem. Money would never be an issue again. So why did Genthru come to Greed Island in the first place? What was he after?
 
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No, it's actually a very sound analysis. Gon does want to be feared. And in fact, he admires the enemies that give him chills. Hisoka, Razor, Genthru, etc. Despite the fact that all of these men have no business being role models to the boy, Gon still identifies with them and tries to understand them. In essence, he never judges anyone for their actions. He often reacts with anger and confusion, but never hatred.

However, this all changes after he sees Kite during those "Reunion" chapters. I'll update this post later with more details, but they're pretty important in tracking Gon's character development. For the first time, Gon realizes what it truly means to hate.

futurefrog, I really liked your writeup on Genthru. I've never even really considered reanalyzing his motives until now. You're right--if he was after material wealth, Genthru would have had a considerably easy time acquiring it with his abilities. Even if he is not a professional Hunter, he could become one with no problem. Money would never be an issue again. So why did Genthru come to Greed Island in the first place? What was he after?
That's the thing I find interesting about Genthru, so much regarding him feels like a deception, like we are only getting half of the story with him. As you've said there are far easier ways to acquire wealth, what is it that makes it necessary for them to enter Greed Island instead of the numerous other ways to gain wealth. I think it's something much more complicated than simply wanting money, it deserves a lot more analysis. I might go reread Greed Island and see what I can discover. I know others don't find him as interesting a character, but there is something so enigmatic about him that makes me want to know more in comparison with other antagonists who we know a lot about (The King, Illumi, Chrollo to an extent). I think a lot of people just don't care about him because he lost to Gon, which is sad.
 

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All this talk about Genthru makes me really want to re-read Greed Island.
 

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The highest probability is that he was after the money, AND something else which could only be acquired in GI, like one of the cards. Let's face it people, there's no easy way to anyone to win 50 billion buckets like that, and Gensuru's Bomber ability was devilish designed to be used under a mask of deception, making it easier for him to see his nen a sure-way to win the game.
 

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The highest probability is that he was after the money, AND something else which could only be acquired in GI, like one of the cards. Let's face it people, there's no easy way to anyone to win 50 billion buckets like that, and Gensuru's Bomber ability was devilish designed to be used under a mask of deception, making it easier for him to see his nen a sure-way to win the game.
If he was after one of the cards, that only thickens the plot, but makes more sense as going after the money seemed rather trivial and at times didn't really seem to be Genthru's priority. But if that is the case, which card did he want I wonder? It's a mystery. We will never know until Genthru returns to the manga. I'd actually like to see him side with Beyond Netero in Kakin. It's hard to speculate though when it comes to Genthru as Togashi intentionally leaves a lot about him as a mystery, he is very intentional is his portrayal of Genthru, he makes sure to measure the amount of detail he reveals about the man beneath the exterior. Very enigmatic character for sure.
 

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No, it's actually a very sound analysis.
No. Then again you think HxH is a deconstruction of Pokemon.

futurefrog, I really liked your writeup on Genthru. I've never even really considered reanalyzing his motives until now. You're right--if he was after material wealth, Genthru would have had a considerably easy time acquiring it with his abilities. Even if he is not a professional Hunter, he could become one with no problem. Money would never be an issue again. So why did Genthru come to Greed Island in the first place? What was he after?
It's baseless conjecture spurred by - let's be honest - futurefrog's unreasoning fandom of Genthru. Furthermore I refer you to his posts on Genthru's purported return. Hell I refer you to his posts on Genthru in general.
 

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No. Then again you think HxH is a deconstruction of Pokemon.



It's baseless conjecture spurred by - let's be honest - futurefrog's unreasoning fandom of Genthru. Furthermore I refer you to his posts on Genthru's purported return. Hell I refer you to his posts on Genthru in general.
That's okay mousie, we are all entitled to our opinions. :)
What do you think of Genthru?
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter Hangout Thread - Part 1

All this talk about Genthru makes me really want to re-read Greed Island.
well to be honest, Greed Island wasn't all about Genthru.

My favorite part of GI was (aside from the Razor sidequest) Gon and Killua's training with Biscuit.

I especially liked the whole part of GI that if played properly, and treated as a true game, it was really all about improving Nen. That Gon and Killua, with their innocence and determination, could easily finish the game if it weren't for the misguided scumbags who disrupted the game for wrong reasons.
 
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