HxH Tournament Fights Thread

[Hamy]

Re: Gon vs. Kurapica

rock should be more powerful then ubos big bang punch by now, heck even moreau pissed his pants when gon loaded up his rock

I would say Ubo's big bang at the moment is stronger than Gon's rock. More importantly unlike Gon's rock there appears to be no charging required so its much faster to fire off.

Also on Kurapica after reading through his fight with Ubo more a couple more of thoughts:
1) Emperor time as its name implies is a mode that can only be used for a certain amount of time - when fighting it appears that the mode's time limit is shorter but when simply used to restrain a target for a long period of time - e.g. Kuroro - then it may last longer.
2) Kurapica pretty much ditched using dousing chain to fight Ubo as it a) hardly ever hit him and b) did not exactly do much damage. It seems dousing chain's purpose in a fight was to merely fool the Ryodan into guessing what type of nen ability he had so that he would focus on the chain thinking it was a reinforced one. Only to their surprise to find out its materialization that could be hidden with "In". So dousing chain was more of a distraction to chain jail. What is interesting is that Kurapica only really did damage to Ubo using punches and kicks with reinforcement.
3) Emperor time sounds good on paper but in practice its not successfully pulled off. Simply put its hard enough to be adept at one type of nen let alone four others. Even with super talented whiz kids like Gon and Killua being taught by a great master, Biske, there is still so much about their nen they have to discover using. More importantly given that Kurapica has 4 other nen to use his focus wasn't to develop them all but rather to create an unbreakable chain. Hence, Kurapica only has two nen types he uses when fighting with Emperor time. Materialization, in the form of dousing chain which is used to distract so as to use chain jail (course chain jail is a combination of many types of nen but right now this is moot since he can't use it on Gon). Reinforcement, the real bulk of Kurapica's offense with Ubo was close range combat with punches and kicks - which was the only way to really hurt him.
4) Kurapica's use of reinforcement is vastly different from Ubo and Gon's own use. Kurapica's reinforcement doesn't explode with a seemingly vast amount of energy when Gon and Ubo get serious. His reinforcement nen just remains the same as when he uses other types. I can only assume that this may be that he doesn't have such a vast reservoir of energy or it could be the more "proper" usage of reinforcement that Kurapica lacks.

Altogether this means that if Gon were to fight Kurapica it would end up more as a fight between reinforcement users. Kurapica's dousing chain really does lack fire power to harm Gon badly and it was nothing more than a distraction about using chain jail - which he can't use on Gon anyways. Kurapica may have the ability to heal but he can't particularly keep the match going on for too long - and that is the beauty of chain jail as he's not concentrated on beating the enemy to a pulp but ensnaring them with his chain. Given that it would be a fight against reinforcement users I would hand this match to Gon as he has a lot of energy to keep fighting for a long time - even if Kurapica can heal - and take a lot of damage. While Kurapica hasn't developed reinforcement the way Gon and Ubo did plus he can only stay in emperor time for X amount of time he'd most likely be exhausted out of Emperor time before he could beat Gon - it is doubtful that he'd just be able to OHKO the boy.

 

[Hamy]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

This is actually a pretty hard voting....

Knuckles key ability is Pot Clean - which is really not an outright offensive ability. As noted already it simply loans nen to the opponent until they reach X amount. Feitan's ability is to convert heavy physical damage he received and manipulate it into a form of nen. Which is what makes picking difficult as neither fighters really do activate their signature ability - Feitan doesn't appear to extensively use nen while Knuckles doesn't particularly keep on attacking as much as trying to stall out the enemy till nen is bankrupt.

Feitan's ability may be long range but again remember his ability needs him to take a damage - the more the stronger. I hardly doubt a single punch would deal the type of damage we've seen him use against the Queen. In the end the fight will just be a hand to hand combat with the intent of the two trying to activate each other's ability. I'd give Knuckles the edge in dealing more damage at that possibility. Yet he does have to be wary of how much damage he deals but again I hardly doubt he'd be breaking bones to really take on a great pain packer attack.

 

[Josear XIII]

Re: Gon vs. Kurapica

psss that chain power is only useful against the genei ryodan, in front of gon is like nothing, remember the vow he took and conditions under having such a power, thats the reason he is no longer in any plots

 

[zelllogan]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

Uh if the poll comes up with feitan ahead then this whole tournament will be officially a popularity contest.

What's with the argument that "because feitan looks faster so he's faster". That makes no sense at all. How many people in HxH have been killed despite looking touch. Seriously.

If Knuckles have no trouble dodging yupi's attack, how could Feitan even touch Knuckles. Or are you seriously suggesting that Feitan is faster than Yupi? Also what's with the argument that Feitan might have more ability under his hood. Then the same thing can be said that Knuckles might have more endurance/speed/power/nen than what he has shown so far. Then we might as well just start speculating new nen ability out of nowhere since there's no more discussion to be had. And what exactly is Feitan's long range ability? His little dart on his umbrella? How many darts can he pull out of his behind?

Kuckle's ability pot clean goes like this. He's attack doesn't deal damage but rather loan nen to the enemy. The enemy's attack will not deal damage as long as the nen loan is not completely repaid. Every 10 seconds the loan increase by 10 percent. If the loaned nen exceed the total reserve nen the opponent have, the opponent goes bankrupt and forced into zetsu for 30 days. The total reserve nen is calculated as original reserve nen minus any nen the opponent has used during the fight.

Remember ryodan is only a A level criminal as one combine unit. It doesn't mean that every member of ryodan is top level nen fighter. In fact far from it. Knuckles is on the same level as Kite. Kite can maintain a en of 45m where as nobunaga can only maintain one of 4m. So unless Feitan is 10 times stronger than nobunaga he's not beating knuckles anytime soon.

Objectively, you're probably right but I have different views on some aspects.

I think we have seen Knuckles at his best while we only scratched the surface when it comes to Genei Ryodan.

About feitan's speed, a zoldyeck nen user couldn't follow feitan's moves. So we can suppose that his speed is exceptional.

About En, it's just one of the many aspects of nen. We can't use that to judge someone's abilities. Nobunaga don't need an En wider than his sword range. So why train his En ?

One thing we must consider about Yupi and all chimera ants, they are new to nen. Even if they can learn at a tremendous rate, they are still inexperienced fighters. Genei Ryodan is everything but inexperienced ... And Yupi vs Knuckle was never a one on one fight

Finally, It's hard to vote for someone who looks as stupid as knuckle

 

[Sakakibara Eitaro]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

Ok, so let me put it more clear for me.
I'm not overestimating the Ryodan member, but in this fight I truly think Feitan would win. Why? Because of knuckel's ability is not suited to skilled hanto to hand fight. He is bether as support in a group than fighting alone. His ability could nullify Feitan's main/strongets ability (that's ok) but the draw back of that is that it would also make Feitan stronger, as he lends his nen to feitan in each hit.
Other think, is that, I'm assuming feitan is trully more skilled than Gon, so he would be able to hit back, and doing so he would prevent Zetsu, and might be able to give back all nen lend by Knuckle. If he does it like 10 times, I don't think Knuckle would keep puting poticlean back to the game, allowing Feitan's sun ability.
Another thing is that knuckle would have died in his fight agains Pitou if it wasn't for Meleoron ability to hide.

 

[Tenacious Weezy]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

Yeah I think it's obvious that Feitan is the better one on one fighter as none of the Ryodan cared to help him fight the "Queen" and Knuckle got backed up numerous times against the ants. Hakoware is an amazing nen ability and based on how it works it would nullify Pain packer but I think Feitans innate killing instinct especially with a sword in hand overrides Knuckles ability to fight or even defend. Feitan would have killed the Queen without painpacker if it wasn't for her Hard skin. I don't think Feitans speed would play a huge part in this match-up however as Knuckles has fought a few "fast" ants before and not been overwhelmed by them. Anyways I vote Feitan (completely disregarding the obvious hint that he's still stronger than what we've seen).

 

[Hamy]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

I think one thing people need to consider about Knuckles and all this talk about Feitan slicing through him easily is that Knuckles would be quite good at dodging more than attacking. Given the nature of his ability it wouldn't be strange at all for him to easily dodge Feitan as that is most likely what he trained heavily on. Course I'm still not quite decided who would best who but the fight is very close.

 

[Tenacious Weezy]

Re: Killua vs. Phinx

WOW this is a fight that would be decided in less than a second. I'd say Phinx would just about murder damn near anyone who came in his range and didn't have decently high reinforcement but Killua is his natural enemy. Killua could shoot a thunder bolt to paralyze Phinx and then Go SSJ2 and speedblitz him or he could just let him get close, go SSJ2 and anticipate his punch, dodge it and counter effectively. It sucks because Phinx against most others would be interesting to discuss but against Killua there really isn't any chance at all. Since hes refined his ability to detect movements and move according to his will nothing/no one has touched him (with the exception of Palm who is his friend). This includes all the Royal Ant guards including the dead one that ripped off Super Gons arm (if not for Killua, Gon might have died). Infact I'd say unless someone as an Area of Effect attack, or is throwing buddha palms around they probably aren't going to touch him as long as he's in his Godspeed mode.

 

[Fox666]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

lol at the shiny sun as the strongest attack so far. Knuckle clearly wins this round. Feitan have trouble fighting a mere Chimera ant captain and Knuckle went toe to toe with Yupi. Remember Yupi could not land a hit on Knuckle and Feitan's fight with Zazan shows that they have about the same fighting ability.
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Also Feitan's fireball attack will not work on Knuckles because the condition of pot clean. When pot clean is activated neither opponent will receive damage from attack. Since Feitan's ability require him to take damage to activate, he won't have a chance to use his ability.

Chimera ants have different abilities. Yupi can transform his body, while Cheetu is really fast. While Cheetu is just a captain, he is much faster than Yupi, because of their ability. And if you remember, both Knuckle and Moreu have got a bad time against Cheethu.

Uh feitan can't use his technique because in order to use that he needs to receive damage first. And pot clean prevents feitan from getting damage. let's consider the amount of nen feitan have. Morel has 70k nen unit (base on knuckle's estimation) and he's one of the top fighter acknowledged by netero. Knuckle's first punch on yupi registered 280 nen unit. Even if we assume that Feitan has 70k nen, which is extremely unlikely. He'll still go bankrupt after 580 seconds without any additional nen input. I don't believe Feitan can land any hit on Knuckles if Knuckles just concentrate on dodging. And this is consider that Feitan himself doesn't use any nen technique either.

People really like to overestimate ryodan member's ability.

I don't think it's that simply. Feitan use a sword and is quite fast. You can't just keep dodging it. For to forget Feitan's fire technique.

Either way, 580 seconds is 10 minutes. It's a lot of time for a battle.

 

[zelllogan]

Re: Killua vs. Phinx

Absolutely no idea for this one.
Zaoldyeck + transformation vs Genei Ryodan + reinforcement.

Basically, if Phinx can touch Killua, fight is over but Phinx will have trouble to match his speed.

It's hard to judge because we saw nothing of Phinx. A little fight against weak chimera and that's it. There must be a reason why he is dressed like an egyptian ...

And I don't know if Killua's fighting power will be enough to overcome Phinx's reinforcement. After all, in terms of raw physical power, he is second only to Ubogin within Genei Ryodan.

As conclusion, I'm not giving a vote because I think it will be a draw.

 

[konfuzed]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

I saw some people doubting his speed, but I'm convinced Feitan is probably fast enough to cancel out potclean, and unlike the ant queen, Knuckle doesn't have a thick carapace to nullify the attacks Feitan lands. Kalluto Zoldyck was trying to count all of the times Feitan was feinting before attacking, got to 7, couldn't even track where he was attacking from, then said "they're on a different level". This is somebody who's presumably used to seeing his family members move and fight. Also, other Ryodan members were admiring Feitan and saying he's "far from his best". The Queen said he keeps getting faster and faster. Yes, it's a tough matchup for Feitan in the sense that Potclean gives a clear route to win by causing zetsu before pain packer can activate, but in my opinion it's a tougher matchup for Knuckle because he's up against one of the few characters with the kind of speed it takes to outmanuever him and not get forced into zetsu by interest. Since they know about each others powers, Feitan would not to be reckless for the sake of activating Pain Packer.

 

[konfuzed]

Re: Killua vs. Phinx

I have to think more about this one and reread before voting. I agree with zelllogan that Killua could probably outmaneuver Phinx at every turn, but I have to think about what Killua has in his arsenal, and whether it would be more likely that Killua can critically damage somebody with such strong reinforcement or that Phinx could catch somebody with such high speed and reaction times. Unless there's power to recharge where they're fighting, Killua would be on a clock to win, too. Once his electric power is gone he might be at a disadvantage.

 

[kkck]

Re: Killua vs. Phinx

I lean a bit towards phink here. Killua's kamuru would give him a temporal overwhelming edge IMO but would that be enough to kill phinx? Phinx is a reinforcement user meaning he has top offense and top defense. His punch can probably one shot killua too. The problem with kammuru is that it completely drains killua. He has but moments to kill phinx. The ryodan are not joke, if this guys devoted all of his nen to defense then I doubt killua will outright kill him. On the other hand, killua will likely be one shotted by phinx's punch once it is properly charged.

 

[morau-san]

Re: Killua vs. Phinx

i read in the rules of the tournament that everyone has knowledge of their opponents abilities. that being said, killua knows phinx needs to wind his arm before he punches to deliver that OHKO hit. no doubt ripper cyclotron is a killer move but with killua's kanmaru he is quite possibly the fastest character in the tourney. even if phinx knows whats coming killua will have the first shot and probably be able to get in a decent combo with a few shocks as well to stun phinx (the way he did yupi).
I don't believe phinx has the physical endurance yupi has and with killua's assassin instincts im sure he would aim for phinx's fingers and break them using his superior speed to cripple phinx's technique at the least.

this is a tough fight to call but due to killua's superior speed and lightning based strikes, i'm going to give the fight to killua. the real question is, how long can killua remain in kanmaru? im betting long enough to win.

 

[Hamy]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

You can't just keep dodging it. For to forget Feitan's fire technique.

Either way, 580 seconds is 10 minutes. It's a lot of time for a battle.

His fire technique IS pain packer and the condition or rather what is manipulated there is the pain he received. As stated earlier neither fighter can really rely on their techniques to win this match as they're the worst possible match up - Knuckles intends to stall and avoid his enemy for X amount of time while Feitan needs to bait his enemy to hit him in order to activate Pain Packer or whatever manipulation technique he uses pain for.

 

[Sakakibara Eitaro]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

I think people who are voting for Knuckle are forgeting that potclean make the person with it stronger as it lend the reciver Knuckle nen.

 

[twasdfzxcv]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

If I remember correctly the lending nen doesn't really make the opponent more powerful. The opponent still need to utilize nen, otherwise it's just count as extra nen. It was explained I think around the mini training arc in the currect chimera ant arc. One has the inherent max amount of nen he has and also the amount of nen he can actually use at once, and the 2 numbers are different. So basically the extra nen just insure that the opponent never runs out of nen.

 

[zelllogan]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

FYI

After reading again chapter 229, it's established that Feitan have other abilities than pain packer. Just when Feitan is about to use his "pain packer" , there is this dialogue:

Phinx: karuto , you'll probably die instantly if you get caught in the one he is going to use this time

Karuto: The one this time ... ? Does that mean he has different types ?

 

[Hamy]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

FYI

After reading again chapter 229, it's established that Feitan have other abilities than pain packer. Just when Feitan is about to use his "pain packer" , there is this dialogue:

Phinx: karuto , you'll probably die instantly if you get caught in the one he is going to use this time

Karuto: The one this time ... ? Does that mean he has different types ?

No the name pain packer is the ability's name while the name of the type of pain packer he used is "Rising Sun" its clearly labeled as such in page 6 of chapter 229. Feitan is a manipulation type and what he manipulates is his pain which is why I wonder if Potclean would even be effective when used on Feitan given that he needs to be hurt.

 

[igotthegoods]

Re: Knuckle vs. Feitan

Ok, Feitan wins 25-9! Because this fight is over, this thread is now closed. Any further discussion on the fight should be done in the HxH Tournament Discussion Thread.