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Assume these individuals settle in the tower for a few thousands years, what level would they reach according to you ?

-Anak Jahad
-Endorsi Jahad
-Hatsu
-Khun Ran
-The 25th Baam
-Khun Aguero Agnes
-Rak Wraithraiser
-Lopobia Elaine
-Yeon Yihwa
-Kang Horyang
-Yura Ha
-Beniamino Cassano
-Buelsar Eliot
-Varagarv
-Karaka
-Yuri Ha Jahad
-Lero Ro
-Quant Blitz
-White
-Daniel Hatchid
-Aka Williams
-Lopobia Lilial Jahad
-Lopobia Shilial Jahad
-Phonsekal Laure
-Phonsekal Irure
-Novik
-Ship Leesoo
-Jaina Repelista Jahad
-Rachel

You don't have to argue for all of them since it'd take a lot of time, also you don't have to be extremely precise in your judgement.

IMO :
-Anak Jahad : she has half of Jahad's blood and is portrayed as Khun Ran's rival. Still definitely weaker than Endorsi who was shown to be massivley weaker than the best Khun DDs such as Data Asencio or Icardi, who in turn were no match for Data Maschenny (at least before discovering her quality).
Based on this alone, she would reach at most a low HR tier.

-Endorsi Jahad : She was already way stronger than Anak before disvoering her quality and after she did, she became strong enough to pressure White before absorbing his last clone (although with Hwaryun's help), a foe that even a Thorn active Baam couldn't beat back then without the power of souls.
In short, she is a Jahad princess and she discovered how to use a type of Shinsu which goes well with her attributes, something only very old Rankers could achieve. Nonetheless, I'd rather argue that Asencio&Icardi were at least as strong as her while Maschenny stood on a whole another level.
At best, she'd reach division commander level, at worst she'd become something between low level HR and a division commander.

-Hatsu : althrough strong for a regular, he is still way below the strongest ones of his class. After watching the fight between White and Kallavan, he noted he'd never reach their level while both of them were massively holding back. So, maybe he can become a strong Ranker, at most advanced Ranker tier.

-Khun Ran : despite being a DD, Data Asencio and Icardi showed far better feats and both pale in comparison to Maschenny, so the best realm he can reach is low level HR.

-The 25th Baam : He would probably reach Jahad's level by the end of the comic and I doubt ToG would last for thousands of years, so with the Thorn, his potential is most likely way higher than Jahad's and the FHs.

-Khun Aguero Agnes : he became extremey strong after discovering his Shinsu quality, strong enough to effortlessly beat the same champion villains who made Baam and Endorsi struggle a lot. Edahn furhter noted that he is talented. Being praised by someone of this magnitude is a proof of a monstreous ability, his Shinsu quality is without a doubt outstanding, he leveled up leeps and bounds after discovering it. So :
-Had he not discoevered his quality, his potential wouldn't have exceeded that of Hatsu's.
-But, he discovered his quality thanks to the clicker and his quality is exceptional. With this, I'd say his potential is at least comparable to Endorsi's, thus Division commander tier, also comparable to Khyn Hynd Luch (which make a lot of sens).
-Yet, he even gained the Yeon flame, an amazing booster. With that, I won't be surprise if he one day becomes as strong as a vice-squadron commander

-Rak Wraithraiser : the most mysterious out of this bunch, his origins are still unknown, some even speculate that he is the ancient himself and his powers got sealed because of Jahad, so maybe he may become a FH calibre fighter or even stronger, as for now his potential is certainly not higher than Khun's without the Yeon flame. So, he may become a division commander threat.

-Lopobia Elaine : She was one of the top 3 D-class regulars, stronger than your average DD and enough talented to be considered as a Jahad princess candidate. Still, she settled at the NHS for a thousand years, received weapons that even Rankers can't dream of obtaining and always fought in a place where she had massive advantage through favorable rules. It's all these facts combined that allowed her to defeat Endorsi, therefore her potential is definitly way lesser even without taking Shinsu quality into account.
I suspect she'd become advanced Ranker, pretty close to HR level.

-Yeon Yihwa : while she is only strong for regulars of the same rank, not the strongest, in average, she has a monstreous hidden power as shown when she overwhelmed Raguel or survived Yuri's AoE. SIU went as far as saying that when she masters her power, she'd put Khun Ran to shame.
In fact, survivng Rose shower, making even Yeon Rankers struggle were both such a shocking feats for just a regular. Yihwa has without a doubt to become a squadron commander level threat AT LEAST and I'd rather argue that she may reach a tier above that.

-Kang Horyang : as living ignition weapon, he certainly has massive advantage over other regulars on the lesser floors, but his potential is more or less stagnant, he will certainly become a strong Ranker but not so much as to become a HR threat, maybe advanced Ranker but no more.

-Yura Ha : the child of a Ha family daugher and an ancient descendant who were cursed. Her physical ability was noted to be below that of an average Ha family member, only comparable to other families who don't specialize in physical might, at most she'd become a strong Ranker if anything.

-Beniamino Cassano : the same as Horyang.

-Buelsar Eliot : he once kept up with a Thorn overloaded Baam without being forced to use his struggle mode (red eyes + black Shinsu), however once Baam finished the first step of revolution, he just one sidely overwhelmed him and defeated him, implying a gap separated both of them. Furtheremore, an even stronger Baam struggled a lot against Kaiser, Endorsi's peer beck then, and was injured twice, implying there is a gap between Buelsar and a princess like Endorsi.
Furtheremore, unlike Varagarv, he wasn't noted as one of the best test subjects, not only that, he would've never called Varagarv "that muscular guy who is damn strong" if he wasn't weaker than him.
Therefore, at most, he'd become something between advanced Ranker and low HR tier if he is lucky enough.

-Varagarv : his body was noted to be very potent, however, Endorsi was way faster and stronger physically as shown when she dodged his punch and kicked him at the same time. He'd have been overwhelmed without blood Tamara, an item which would loses its effect after a certain time, so not part of his future potential thousands of years later. However, he can use transformation, so maybe he may become a low HR threat, especially as one of the best results of blood fusion.

-Karaka : he is still young, just few hundred years old, yet he is already strong enough to fight division commander threats, plus, according to some very strong assumptions, he may a Jahad prince, which further emphasizes his potential. He is without a doubt a future squadron commander threat.

-Yuri Ha Jahad : as a princess from the Ha family, she is extremely talented, she showed her might when she defeated a division commander (Cheonhee Ha) and Karaka in a fair one on one fights. So, giving her age (just a few hundred years old), she has the potential to become a squadrion commander threat or even a bit stronger.

-Lero Ro : he is already a strong ranker according to SIU and he is still young, arround the same generation as Yuri, so he may become advanced Ranker in the future.

-Quant Blitz : the same as above, Quant is only a bit older than Ro, but his power is similar.

-White : at least he'd retrieve his past power, maybe he can even surpass squadron commander level if he completes another massive sould-draining spell.

-Daniel Hatchid : he was pretty strong for surviving in the HT the first time he rided it. Boro even noted that outside of him, all of his other teammates were very strong. So, I expect a potential that's similar to Hatsu, he may become a strong Ranker, maybe even advanced Ranker.

-Aka Williams : same as above.

-Lopobia Lilial Jahad : decently stronger than Endorsi at close combat, forcing her to use Bong Bong to survive and she still didn't used her anima or another hidden ability (some kind of transformation ?) related to Lopobia traits. Despite being a princess from a GF, she wasn't really overwhelming like Maschenny. In fact, based on her only showings, I wouldn't even rank her as someone on par with Data Asencio or Icardi, so at best she'd reach division commander level, at worst she'd become a low HR.

-Lopobia Shilial Jahad : same as above, she was kinda toying with Hatsu probably.

-Phonsekal Laure : he showed impressive feats during the workshop battle (against Beta), still not as much as a top 5 E-class regular, he was more arround Novick or Hatsu's level, which is a normal standing from a regular from a GF branch. I'd say, he has the potential to become advanced Ranker in the future.

-Phonsekal Irure : she was praised by Endorsi for her power and completly overwhelmed her sworn ennemy. Both are not an easy feats, still she doesn't really standout as a top D-class regular, she is somehow like Laure, a future advanced Ranker most likely.

-Novik : he has some impressive physical abilities, still not a match for a Jahad princess, even a half-blood like Anak, disabled him with a single kick. So, the best he can reach is advanced Ranker I guess.

-Ship Leesoo : he'll certainly become a Ranker, but mainly because he was lucky enough being surrounded by monsters. a potential low level Ranker, maybe a tier above, since thousands of years of growth isn't to be understimated, especially when there will be Rankers like him who lived just a few centuries or barely a millenia right after becoming Rankers.

-Jaina Repelista Jahad : right now, she isn't even a regular, but if she becomes one in the future, she'd have the potential to become at least a low level HR.

-Rachel : like Shibisu. Despite being an irregular, her potential is rather duh.
 
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-Baam (his potential is off the chart, dude has the potential to become the god of this tower)

-Karaka ( He's Fug's genius, SIU mentioned how him and Yuri are growing too fast in the tower's eyes, they are genius's on their own)

-Yuri (The current princesses, it was said that she's the one with the most potential to even collect all of the 13 months series, considering the likes of Enne are her competition, she has a massive potential)

-Varagarv (think he has the potential to become like Yama and take over his position in the future, his character design reminds me Yama himself)

-Ran (Kid has a massive potential)

-White (His ability to eat souls and grow stronger is monstrous, not to mention he was already a rare genius among the arie family)

-Yihwa (She has a potential, the fact her fire power even rankers in her family had trouble against before becoming a regular, says a lot in her potential)

-Androssi (Orphan who her talent made her what she's today, her potential is great too)
 

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I’am ok with all the potential you suggered for the characters but I disagree about yihwa, there is no way she can reach corp commander level, and beating the like of angel is not a feat, she was pathetic against inieta and ran beat him solo, SIU saying she would put ran to shame if she controls her fire was a way to hype her since the chapter was focused on her, also her surviving yuri attack was clearly plot armor, she lost recently against that snake dude and was taken hostage while the same snake dude is afraid of elaine, also the fact that elaine spent thousand of years tell nothing about her potential because as a regular she caped her potential as d class but she would grow normally as anyone else since she is climbing the tower now.
 

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Interesting thread. I'd suggest adding Rachel, Wangnan, and Parakewl so people can complain about them or just to see if they think they'll EVER become a threat. The last one mentioned being the obvious axis of all axis as the outside 'god' playing a day of


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Also, White, Daniel, Aka, LPB twins, Phonsekal regulars, Novik, Ship Leesoo, and princess Rep (wondering if anyone thinks they'll ever have/just how much potential given enough time).

And we're all in agreement about Slayer Gyetang, right?
 

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Interesting thread. I'd suggest adding Rachel, Wangnan, and Parakewl so people can complain about them or just to see if they think they'll EVER become a threat. The last one mentioned being the obvious axis of all axis as the outside 'god' playing a day of


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Also, White, Daniel, Aka, LPB twins, Phonsekal regulars, Novik, Ship Leesoo, and princess Rep (wondering if anyone thinks they'll ever have/just how much potential given enough time).

And we're all in agreement about Slayer Gyetang, right?
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Well it seems having good items matters a lot too (thorn, black march, bong bong, etc) and in some ways those are luck if you get them.
Also contracts(I am sure we are gonna see that there are contracts that let people become more powerful).
Also other things that make you stronger (being turned into a living ignition weapon).
Revolution (Urek hasn't revolutioned for example and has been implied to be at least as strong as other irregular rankers and is ranked 4th).

ToG is about the path you take on your way to trying to reach the top.
 

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We have seen nothing from Shilial and lilial and you say they have show lesser feats than ascensio and Icardi lol.
You really saw them as chunhee level lmao, you are underestimating 10 GF princess. They are minimum top 100 material.
Siu said princess from FH have physical ability superior to normal rankers while climbing, he mentioned how being from a GF and Zahard make one special.
 

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Well, in short I'd make the point that all of bams teammates are exceptional and at least most of them have high ranker potential.

As far as anak goes, a bit that always stroke me as odd is that she had 4 bangs back at the workshop battle. Thats a ton of bangs for someone at that floor. Anak fights mostly using her insane power but i think her specks might be more suited for wave controlling.

With aguero i would maintain my point that he probably has far more talent than any of the original estimations about it might suggest. Aguero has been half assing his training since long before he even became a regular. And yet he became a regular strong enough to handle the hell train. I think there is a pretty good chance that agueros actual talent exceed rans.

Rak... probably has more potential than khel and evankhel.


Yihwa has way too much power inside her which she has barely tapped into. So.. she probably wouldn't lag behind the lags of ran in the future.

Androsi has talent, zahards blood and unique shinsoo qualities. It wouldn't be strange if she becomes as strong as a zahard squadron commander at her peak.
 

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Well, in short I'd make the point that all of bams teammates are exceptional and at least most of them have high ranker potential.

As far as anak goes, a bit that always stroke me as odd is that she had 4 bangs back at the workshop battle. Thats a ton of bangs for someone at that floor. Anak fights mostly using her insane power but i think her specks might be more suited for wave controlling.

With aguero i would maintain my point that he probably has far more talent than any of the original estimations about it might suggest. Aguero has been half assing his training since long before he even became a regular. And yet he became a regular strong enough to handle the hell train. I think there is a pretty good chance that agueros actual talent exceed rans.

Rak... probably has more potential than khel and evankhel.


Yihwa has way too much power inside her which she has barely tapped into. So.. she probably wouldn't lag behind the lags of ran in the future.

Androsi has talent, zahards blood and unique shinsoo qualities. It wouldn't be strange if she becomes as strong as a zahard squadron commander at her peak.
Aguero doesn’t have more talent than ran, being best friend with an irregular and receiving item and boost don’t make one talented ,I remember when SIU said that aguero could not use lightning, he changed his mind later when he introduced other attributes for eduan to make AA a bit revelant power wise, now he gave him fire fish to be with baam a bit longer, but when you look original card stats which are SIU original mind he never intended to make AA or rak some kind of monster.

There is a misinterpretation about rak, he is just a DD while Evankhell and khell received the power of the ancients themselves, it’s very different.
So you are telling me that someone for example who will receive all the power of a FH for example will be less stronger than a FH DD?

Yeah yihwa potential is so high that the only fight she won was at train against angel a mid tier regular, what a feat, you guys took SIU word sometimes for granted when he spoke about her potential one time in a blog when the chapter was focused on her, since then ran grew up, we saw him training before the NHS.

Even yuri hasn’t reached corp commander level yet but you expect androssi too, I don’t see more than division commander probably vice divisions commander level or at most dowon level which is not corp commander level.
 

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Aguero doesn’t have more talent than ran, being best friend with an irregular and receiving item and boost don’t make one talented ,I remember when SIU said that aguero could not use lightning, he changed his mind later when he introduced other attributes for eduan to make AA a bit revelant power wise, now he gave him fire fish to be with baam a bit longer, but when you look original card stats which are SIU original mind he never intended to make AA or rak some kind of monster.

There is a misinterpretation about rak, he is just a DD while Evankhell and khell received the power of the ancients themselves, it’s very different.
So you are telling me that someone for example who will receive all the power of a FH for example will be less stronger than a FH DD?

Yeah yihwa potential is so high that the only fight she won was at train against angel a mid tier regular, what a feat, you guys took SIU word sometimes for granted when he spoke about her potential one time in a blog when the chapter was focused on her, since then ran grew up, we saw him training before the NHS.

Even yuri hasn’t reached corp commander level yet but you expect androssi too, I don’t see more than division commander probably vice divisions commander level or at most dowon level which is not corp commander level.
None of the things you said about aguero have anything to do with my points. As in, aguero half assing his training all his life and still basically breezing through the tower and what we saw during his training at the hidden floor.

Rak being an ancient means he likely has about as much potential as one. Rak is basically a baby version of the creatures inside khel and evankhel.

And about yuri.... what does that have to do with anything whatsoever? The thread asumes overall potential and thousands of years to get there. In that sense, yuri not having reached her potential has exactly zero relevance to the thread.
 

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All of Viole;s core team member will all reach levels that will allow them to face of FH without being easily defeated with some even managing to beat said FH.
This team is being build to challenge the 035th floor admin and above, there is now way that after soo many years they wouldnt be the strongest of the strongest in the tower.

-Viole its obvious he will be god of the tower.
-Khun will be close to his fathers strength if not surpass it
-Rak will be FH level no question
-Hockney is a bit difficult to tell since we haven't seen him in action, but his precognition ability is pretty impressive but i cant see him being stronger than people like Yama
-Alaine will depend if Fenryl will also grow more powerful as she does, if soo then i can see her retaining her status as 2nd strongest after Viole
-Yihwa is a bit hard to call given her naive nature of not wanting to hurt others, but she will also be strong enough to hold her own vs FH
-Hwa Ryun will probably be a competent ranker level fighter nothing more

As for the others who have been pro Baam till now will mostly become less relevant in the next coming floors so i cant see them being of any use late on never mind when they challenge floors above 134, probably some of them will turn on Baam with some cutting their connection to him.
 

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Androsi has talent, zahards blood and unique shinsoo qualities. It wouldn't be strange if she becomes as strong as a zahard squadron commander at her peak.
It's debatable whether Maschenny, who is currently 5000+ y/o and one of the strongest princesses, is squadron commander level or not, so Endorsi will certainly be way below this level after just a few millenias, not every Jahad princess has the potential to become even remotely close to a squadron commander threat.
 

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The story maybe will maximum go another 100 years, and if u guys really think that even 1 of Baams friend could reach a lvl where they will be able to face a FH in this time....
if i am right Urek (a Monster) needed 50 years to climb the tower...
lets say all the regulars with Baam could climb the tower in another 25 or 50 years ( with Baams help) u guys really think they could face even the weakest HR (in 1vs1).
Yes i agree some Baams friend could become really strong in another 500-1000years. But as the story is going Baam will face Zahard very soon.
 

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The story maybe will maximum go another 100 years, and if u guys really think that even 1 of Baams friend could reach a lvl where they will be able to face a FH in this time....
if i am right Urek (a Monster) needed 50 years to climb the tower...
lets say all the regulars with Baam could climb the tower in another 25 or 50 years ( with Baams help) u guys really think they could face even the weakest HR (in 1vs1).
Yes i agree some Baams friend could become really strong in another 500-1000years. But as the story is going Baam will face Zahard very soon.
they will need to become that strong since they will have to face the admin test and enemies on floor 135 and above until they reach the top.
Shounen main cast strength cant be compared to any other person in the story, their abilities will skyrocket in a short amount of time and become more powerful than their enemies because the story needs to end and cant go on forever.
I mean they have completed 39% of the tower in 9-10 years, they will probably reach floor 134 in less than 25 years, faster than even Mazino who started off stronger than anyone and climbed in record time(50 years), AA and the rest will smash that record.
 

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they will need to become that strong since they will have to face the admin test and enemies on floor 135 and above until they reach the top.
Shounen main cast strength cant be compared to any other person in the story, their abilities will skyrocket in a short amount of time and become more powerful than their enemies because the story needs to end and cant go on forever.
I mean they have completed 39% of the tower in 9-10 years, they will probably reach floor 134 in less than 25 years, faster than even Mazino who started off stronger than anyone and climbed in record time(50 years), AA and the rest will smash that record.
It hasn't been such a short amount of time, it's been somewhere between 20 and 30 years. At the rate the gang is going they are not going to neat urek's record at least. of course, they could always accelerate their climb. I do find that scenario unlikely as the gang usually hurries their climb not for the climb's sake but rather for other objectives. And they tend to spend months or years at that.
 

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It hasn't been such a short amount of time, it's been somewhere between 20 and 30 years. At the rate the gang is going they are not going to neat urek's record at least. of course, they could always accelerate their climb. I do find that scenario unlikely as the gang usually hurries their climb not for the climb's sake but rather for other objectives. And they tend to spend months or years at that.
Five years from end Season One to start Season Two, a year between Zygaena and the Workshop Battle. A year or so on the Train, and then two more between end Season Two and start Season Three. And it's been like half a year or so since.

Unless I'm forgetting things. it's been pretty close to ten years since Baam entered the Tower.
 

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It hasn't been such a short amount of time, it's been somewhere between 20 and 30 years. At the rate the gang is going they are not going to neat urek's record at least. of course, they could always accelerate their climb. I do find that scenario unlikely as the gang usually hurries their climb not for the climb's sake but rather for other objectives. And they tend to spend months or years at that.
Nope, they spend a few months on the 2nd floor, Viole got taken by FUG for 7 years, then 6 months to catch the train and then they got to the last station under a year, then Viole took 2 years off to train, that's less than 10 years at most 11 years.
 

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Ah, I did a post about this a long while ago detailing the times but I can't find it.

IIRC it was 8 years between season 1 and 2.

As far as I can tell it usually takes at least 1 month to climb a floor and even that is kinda pushing it. Bam barely managed it when he lost the hell train at the first station. And the hell train itself IIRC takes about 3-4 weeks per floor. Even going by urek's 50 year record climb that still adds up to about 4.4 months per floor... Though that includes a hell train ride which at least marginally improved his average. Still, we should assume that the gang at the fastest can manage 1 month per floor.

Another bit, looking back at the chapters (they are a huge pain to find because webtoon has the most annoying list format imaginable).

I am not really clear on the exact timeframe around the 20th floor and the workshop battle tbh. As far as I found the hand of arlene was in floor 28 and by then the gang was still at least months away from the workshop battle. I didn't find an exact time though. Still, since the series skipped floors 22-through 28 I would think it's safe to assume team sweet and sour wasn't exactly in a hurry. And then they had a month to train with aguero. In any case... climbing 10 floors probably took at a bare minimum a year, specially for a team like sweet and sour whose only big player was basically bam. I'd be more inclined to guessing the period was closer to 2 years though.
 

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climbing 10 floors probably took at a bare minimum a year, specially for a team like sweet and sour whose only big player was basically bam. I'd be more inclined to guessing the period was closer to 2 years though.
There is no guesswork involved here. It was stated to be one year until the Workshop Battle when Hwa Ryun gave Wangnan the objective to go there.
 

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The story maybe will maximum go another 100 years, and if u guys really think that even 1 of Baams friend could reach a lvl where they will be able to face a FH in this time....
if i am right Urek (a Monster) needed 50 years to climb the tower...
lets say all the regulars with Baam could climb the tower in another 25 or 50 years ( with Baams help) u guys really think they could face even the weakest HR (in 1vs1).
Yes i agree some Baams friend could become really strong in another 500-1000years. But as the story is going Baam will face Zahard very soon.
As far as I understand this is merely a thought experiment with a clearly-defined assumption of scope - that they all age thousands of years.

That said,

Baam is having an effect on those close to him in ways that probably haven't been seen by any other irregular.
 
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