Team Irene VS CS

[**Silver**]

Irene Wins this Medium-High difficulty.. Wendy and Erza Overpowering Irene is just excuse and shit writing Fairytail needs to win all fights....

 

[Jko]

Bullshit.
No one denies Eileen is top two.

Larcade was single out as exceptional long before he said it himself, and almost everyone thought he was top 3 before he said anything himself.
Everyone hates Larcade way more than Eileen too, she is extremely popular. Who knows, she may be even more popular than August.

Then why do people think CS or Larcade take her out? That literally contradicts her being top 2 lol. You know there are many S12 below her that can solo CS w/o PIS, but yet think these scrubs with zero feats can win against her?

He was an exception in the nature of his magic but his MP was that of a regular S12. I don't see how he's stronger than DiMaria? People still give Larcade a lot of credit.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Then why do people think CS or Larcade take her out? That literally contradicts her being top 2 lol. You know there are many S12 below her that can solo CS w/o PIS, but yet think these scrubs with zero feats can win against her?

He was an exception in the nature of his magic but his MP was that of a regular S12. I don't see how he's stronger than DiMaria? People still give Larcade a lot of credit.

......Really cmon the scene about Lacarde was meant to single him out along with August and Irene as special among the Spriggan, on top of the fact he's a trump Card to beat Acno.....He himself said he's top 3 and that went along with what the scene was trying to show. Face it, regardless of time stop Dimaria obviously isn't a big deal among the 12.

 

[Seven777]

Then why do people think CS or Larcade take her out? That literally contradicts her being top 2 lol. You know there are many S12 below her that can solo CS w/o PIS, but yet think these scrubs with zero feats can win against her?

He was an exception in the nature of his magic but his MP was that of a regular S12. I don't see how he's stronger than DiMaria? People still give Larcade a lot of credit.

Because they also think that CS would take out every other spriggan bar August obviously. Just because people dont think Eileen can do something August can, doesnt mean she is on the level of lesser spriggans. Larcade is at the top as well, so its fair that he could be a questionable fight.

Doesnt matter, Larcade has been portrayed as above other spriggans, as shown by 90% of the fandom thinking he was top 3 long before his fight. Whether its because of the nature of his magic or something else, Mashima clearly wants us to think he stand at the top with August and Eileen, and that's all that really matters.

 

[Brandish μ]

Irene can't win like August did. She needs to show she has that level of AoE offence or speed to get it done. She hasn't, so no way.

I can see her winning around high diff. You could make an argument that CS could win, but because their feats are also non-existent, I'm gonna go with the person with the portrayal similar to the wizard who stomped CS.

CS are like the GoI. They've got potential to be redeemed and could be much better than shown. But they faced high offence with solid AoE. Really only Laxus, Natsu and maybe Wall have shown good attack power with good AoE (best against numbers, not including hax like Age Seal which is even better). Irene could have enough juice, but unlike August she's unproven.

 

[The President]

Larcade losing to Sting and Rogue is way worse.... He got pleasure resisted by pain, he got Hunger resisted by a cat, and he got sleep resisted by just will power. He's not top 3 yet people still believe he is more so than they believe Irene is top 2. Also that top 3 status is self proclaimed. None of the other S12 call him the third strongest.

No its not. And? Irene happened to be NOT be able to resist his pleasure. Frosche has a strong will, thats all there is to it, characters far stronger then Frosche (lol) couldn't resist it at all. Sleep was not resisted by will power, it simply did not affect Sting whilst he was in shadow body just like any other attack wouldn't. Larcade IS top 3 and thats an indisputable fact, everyone believes Irene is top 2, just not that she is close to #1 (August) in combat.

August said that no one can defeat him, DiMaria never got that hype. He is also a "secret weapon" and was outlined by Mavis, neither of those two things apply to DiMaria. And even a self proclamation is completely valid in this context.

Irene is not far more popular than August... even before the CS fight when Irene's feats were a head above August people still chose August as the clear the victor.

Yes she is, you can't even debate this its a fact. Just go on any popularity poll on any forum, on the one here she nearly doubles him in votes and that was before her flashback, which got her even more fans (including me). Irenes feats were never a head above Augusts, ever. At least if we are talking about combat related feats (which her enchantments of other characters and Universe One aren't).

 

[Ebony Maw]

Sleep was not resisted by will power, it simply did not affect Sting whilst he was in shadow body just like any other attack wouldn't.

And even then, Rogue made it sound like Shadow Body would only guard him for a time:

Spoiler

 

[sharkai]

Lol as expected
anyway
August has shown no durability feat
August also has no impressive speed feat. I think around bos erza at the moment
He has better aoe though

Irene should only have slight problem with jellal. And no one else because of speed
Durability will be see her through an easy win over jellal

 

[Kay3795]

CS will get fodderised by August equal's obviously.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Once again, I cannot give this win to a character who has underperformed...

• Eileen Belserion < Crime Sorcière [Extreme Difficulty]

Here is the thing. I see Eileen very similar to Brandish in a way that neither excel in direct combat. The fact that Eileen could get blitzed by Wendy (because she was blocking Erza's attack) tells me that she is unable to fight against multiple opponents. In my opinion, Jellal's speed is higher than DF Wendy's. So he should have no problem blitzing her while Oración Seis holds off. In fact, Cobra and Racer are each individually as fast as Erza herself (so Eileen is at a severe disadvantage here). Overall, I can see Jellal's strongest spell putting her down after all the injuries she got from Erza + DF Wendy.

I would also like to mention that it's not accurate to compare August's fight with a conditional one like this. If your only argument to justify Eileen's feats + hype is August, then there is no real evidence here. Both characters may be equally as powerful, but the vast difference in skill can change the course of the fight very easily.

 

[T.C.]

CS will get fodderised by August equal's obviously.

August's equal who is struggling against Wendy and Erza

 

[Kay3795]

August's equal who is struggling against Wendy and Erza

You're not obstinate enough to really think your word has precedence over what is spoken in the manga, are you?

Here's what we know as fact. August, Irene and Rahkied are above very other S12.
August and Irene are equals.

If even Irene opposes/defeat the strongest foe right now and she's then defeated by an inconsequential she ought to not lose to; nothing would change the fact that the author labelled her to be on equal footing with August.

 

[T.C.]

You're not obstinate enough to really think your word has precedence over what is spoken in the manga, are you?

I might be.

Here's what we know as fact. August, Irene and Rahkied are above very other S12.
August and Irene are equals.

Here are some more facts:
Larcade can only be defeated by his mother
Irene is being put in her place by Erza and Wendy
Irene's mp decreased "somewhat" when she entered Wendy's body

If even Irene opposes/defeat the strongest foe right now and she's then defeated by an inconsequential she ought to not lose to; nothing would change the fact that the author labelled her to be on equal footing with August.

Like i mentioned above, "the author" also labelled Larcade as someone who could only be defeated by his mother and that was clearly proven wrong. Character statements (thats what it is because I haven't seen Hiro himself say that Irene is equal to August) aren't always solid and thats where feats come into play to determine if a character is really what he has been hyped up to be.

 

[Kay3795]

I might be.

It's a shame such is the case, though it doesn't matter. Ultimately, Irene was actually able to oppose probably the strongest foe (Acno) and she looked pretty good doing it. In fact, she was the victor in that confrontation via BFR lest you've forgotten. That's still the single most impressive amongst the S12

What transpired with her last chapter doesn't change a thing in my eyes because FT is notorious for such occurrences. Erza and pretty much every FT MC is as mighty as the author writes them to be -- and right now, Erza and Wendy are mightier a force than the entirety of CS.

 

[T.C.]

It's a shame such is the case, though it doesn't matter. Ultimately, Irene was actually able to oppose probably the strongest for foe (Acno) and looked pretty good doing it. In fact, she was the victor in that confrontation via BFR lest you've forgotten. That's still the single most impressive feat amongst the S12

BFR?
Neither of the 2 were hurt/injured in the least and Irene was pretty much running away from Acnologia by using Universe One so how is she the victor?

What transpired with her last chapter doesn't change a thing in my eyes because FT is notorious for such occurrences. Erza and pretty much every FT MC is as mighty as the author writes them to be -- and right now, Erza and Wendy are mightier a force than the entirety of CS

You're right about that. We still have to use those weird occurences for power scaling though because in the end they're feats and feats are the main source for determining someone's power level (statements count as hype and aren't always valid).

 

[Kay3795]

BFR?
Neither of the 2 were hurt/injured in the least and Irene was pretty much running away from Acnologia by using Universe One so how is she the victor?

You're right about that. We still have to use those weird occurences for power scaling though because in the end they're feats and feats are the main source for determining someone's power level (statements count as hype and aren't always valid).

BFR (Battlefield removal).

The PL thread is precisely a mess now because fans have fabricated numerous, ultimately meaningless, methods to work out how PL works in FT series as they attempt figure out how Mashima thinks. Many have given up on that thread now because their eyes are open to the colossal mess that is placing a PL on FT characters. It simply doesn't work.

 

[Seven777]

Here's what we know as fact. August, Irene and Rahkied are above very other S12.
August and Irene are equals.

There is a decent chance(especially after last chapter), that Eileen is only August's equal when at full power, aka while in Dragon Form. While a human she may only be as powerful as Larcade.
Its like how END was stated to be a Zeref killer, but most of the fandom is pretty sure that the version of END that Gray fought isnt up to the task. However a fully transformed version very likely is.

 

[sharkai]

Once again, I cannot give this win to a character who has underperformed...

• Eileen Belserion < Crime Sorcière [Extreme Difficulty]

Here is the thing. I see Eileen very similar to Brandish in a way that neither excel in direct combat. The fact that Eileen could get blitzed by Wendy (because she was blocking Erza's attack) tells me that she is unable to fight against multiple opponents. In my opinion, Jellal's speed is higher than DF Wendy's. So he should have no problem blitzing her while Oración Seis holds off. In fact, Cobra and Racer are each individually as fast as Erza herself (so Eileen is at a severe disadvantage here). Overall, I can see Jellal's strongest spell putting her down after all the injuries she got from Erza + DF Wendy.

I would also like to mention that it's not accurate to compare August's fight with a conditional one like this. If your only argument to justify Eileen's feats + hype is August, then there is no real evidence here. Both characters may be equally as powerful, but the vast difference in skill can change the course of the fight very easily.

Because there is no way in hell cobra and racer can hold off Irene
They couldn't even hold off Tartarus jellal. They couldn't even touch Bos erza.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Because there is no way in hell cobra and racer can hold off Irene
They couldn't even hold off Tartarus jellal. They couldn't even touch Bos erza.

Well, I see your point and I'll admit that I can't really argue with that. Oración Seis has no feats right now except getting stomped by August (which is acceptable). But they do have hype. The fact that Eileen considered them an enemy means they have some potential. Judging by Eileen's feats recently, I think she can take on each OS member individually. But if she has to fight all of them at once, I think she'll have her hands full for quite a while. Add in Jellal who is even faster than DF Wendy and I see Eileen taking a lot of damage.

As for Tartaros, I don't think we can use past feats to judge their current power.

 

[**Silver**]

August feats
Stopped casually Laxus nuke
casual heat spell and Natsu is shitless
Laughed for Pleasure while Irene was affected.. and no August is not virgin
Stomped Jellal.Race.Richard.Midnight.Cobra

Laxus---->Erza Wendy
Natsu----> Erza Wendy
Larcade -----> Erza Wendy
Jellal--> Erza
Racer.Richard.Midnight.Cobra---->Wendy

so do i have to ask who is stronger between August and Irene...

Irenes feats
Wendy speed blized Irene...