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This is inpired by The_Drunk's thread, but I didn't want to litter it with an off-topic discussion, so here it is. Do you think Sarutobi is a crappy leader? I've always thought that Sarutobi was a bad Hokage. I'm not attacking him for his ethics as he does have a heart of gold and always had good intentions, but he failed on so many occasions. Here are some of his failures:
1) Failed to win the Second Great Ninja War. You can argue that it isn't really a failure since the result was a draw, but if you don't gain anything out of a war, thats a loss in my book. So in this case, everybody involved was a loser, not just Sarutobi specifically.
2) Failed to win the Third Great Ninja War.
3) Failed to notice Danzou's many dirty deeds such as his alliance with Hanzou and implanting himself with the First's DNA and all those sharingan eyes.
4) Failed to stop Orochimaru and allowed him to run free for decades doing all the crazy shit he does.
5) Gave up Hyuuga Hizashi's life upon pressure from Kumogakure. You can say it prevented a possible war, but to me, a leader should not bow down another nation. Konoha showed weakness here and the weak will only get bullied. Who knows how many more concessions there were when Konoha was pressured by other nations?!
6) Failed to reach a peaceful compromise with the Uchiha.
7) Failed to stop the Kyuubi from wrecking havoc upon Konoha. Sarutobi is no longer Hokage at this time, but he should have a much bigger role in protecting Kushina as he knew all the risks involved.
In comparison, here are some of his successes:
1) Trained 3 very strong and successful ninjas in the sannins (even though Orochimaru deflected).
2) Stopped Orochimaru's attack on Konoha (even though its sort of his fault that Orochimaru is still running around).
You can argue that a lot of my listings are not really failures, but they were definitely not successes. So at best, he is only an average to mediocre leader. Compared to the First and the Fourth though, Sarutobi is pretty crappy.
1) Failed to win the Second Great Ninja War. You can argue that it isn't really a failure since the result was a draw, but if you don't gain anything out of a war, thats a loss in my book. So in this case, everybody involved was a loser, not just Sarutobi specifically.
2) Failed to win the Third Great Ninja War.
3) Failed to notice Danzou's many dirty deeds such as his alliance with Hanzou and implanting himself with the First's DNA and all those sharingan eyes.
4) Failed to stop Orochimaru and allowed him to run free for decades doing all the crazy shit he does.
5) Gave up Hyuuga Hizashi's life upon pressure from Kumogakure. You can say it prevented a possible war, but to me, a leader should not bow down another nation. Konoha showed weakness here and the weak will only get bullied. Who knows how many more concessions there were when Konoha was pressured by other nations?!
6) Failed to reach a peaceful compromise with the Uchiha.
7) Failed to stop the Kyuubi from wrecking havoc upon Konoha. Sarutobi is no longer Hokage at this time, but he should have a much bigger role in protecting Kushina as he knew all the risks involved.
In comparison, here are some of his successes:
1) Trained 3 very strong and successful ninjas in the sannins (even though Orochimaru deflected).
2) Stopped Orochimaru's attack on Konoha (even though its sort of his fault that Orochimaru is still running around).
You can argue that a lot of my listings are not really failures, but they were definitely not successes. So at best, he is only an average to mediocre leader. Compared to the First and the Fourth though, Sarutobi is pretty crappy.
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