Discussion Is Kuma as Strong as We Think?

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After what he did on SA, I don't even think that the WG will count on him in the war. I expect him to fight for the "other" side. Not necessarily side on side with the WB pirates, but I can see him helping the SHs again. So he will fight most likely to save Ace, Luffy i.e for the new age/generation (I know Ace is supporting the current age->WB).
 

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Kuma is stronger than we think....I'm sure about that,I don't know why,but I think he can fight almost evenly with BB too...why???because even if BB can negate DF powers,I think that Kuma knows how to use haki,and more important even without DF,his huge cyborg body with haki.......kick a**!!!!
 

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kuma can repel everything
blackbeard can suck everything in

xD
 

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kuma can repel everything
blackbeard can suck everything in

xD
Oh, yes. Never tought about that. (If Kuma can repel fire, he can repel a Logia...)
 

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He can repel air itself, not to mention people's pain and fatigue. I don't think it would be different with any other element, such as fire, sand or thunder or water.
 

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But it wouldn't be very useful, he's not repelling all of a Logia since Logia's have shown as much of their element as they want...even Kuma has to have a limit to how much he can repulse.

Thats also encroaching dangerously close to rejecting Devil Fruits themselves.
 

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Kuma is really stronger than we think.

And as a conclusion, I think he is one of the most experimented guy ... and combinated to his crazy DF, to the teleportation bible, to his cyborg body, what a giant !

PS : he is so much stronger than all the SH reunited (the TB arc showed it to us)

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And as a conclusion, I think he is one of the most experimented guy ... and combinated to his crazy DF, to the teleportation bible, to his cyborg body, what a giant !
hü.. wait what? teleportation bible?! when was that said?
 

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hü.. wait what? teleportation bible?! when was that said?
There was a theory going around about a year ago that Kuma's repulsion powers were his own, and that the teleportation power came from his Bible. This theory was "supported" by the fact that Kuma was writing in his Bible right before he teleported Pelona. Despite being rather forced, the theory gained much popularity. However, to date, there is NO indication that Kuma's Bible posseses any Devil Fruit power, and his teleportation power is usually interpreted as being him repelling something in a certain direction, giving the appearance of teleportation. Also, the "writing in the Bible scene" is shown to actually be Kuma flipping through the pages of his Bible, both if you blow up the image in the manga, and in the anime, so what little proof the theory had is basically gone.
 

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That theory had gone since Kuma power was explained at extend in Shanbondy Archipelago.

The bible is so big because it is made of gold, and if it that big, only a 5 meter tall cyborg has enough strength to carry it. So unless you have a Caterpillar track, nobody can steals the gold. =P
 

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There was a theory going around about a year ago that Kuma's repulsion powers were his own, and that the teleportation power came from his Bible. This theory was "supported" by the fact that Kuma was writing in his Bible right before he teleported Pelona. Despite being rather forced, the theory gained much popularity. However, to date, there is NO indication that Kuma's Bible posseses any Devil Fruit power, and his teleportation power is usually interpreted as being him repelling something in a certain direction, giving the appearance of teleportation. Also, the "writing in the Bible scene" is shown to actually be Kuma flipping through the pages of his Bible, both if you blow up the image in the manga, and in the anime, so what little proof the theory had is basically gone.
if its the bible that gives him the teleportation-ability, why do big paws appear where Luffy and Nami landed???

of course that ability is part of his Devilfruit!

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in a fight Kuma vs BB or Kuma vs Hawkeye i cant tell who would win. but Kuma would defenitely defeat all the other Shichibukai we know until now

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one small theory that i must tell you (dont know if it was mentioned before/ i was to lazy to read the whole thread):

Kuma is a buddy of Dragon and is just acting as a loyal Sichibukai to spy on the Marine-Headquater
 

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I was aware of that bible theory, just got confused a bit, since Lord Rayleigh wrote it as fact. Tbh I once supported that as well.

About Kuma and Dragon, I don't think he could work as a Spy even if he wanted to. Since the Shichi are former Pirates, the WG would never trust him/them valuable informations. It would rather make more sence to let Garp or some1 else (Smoker?) work as a Spy.
 

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Kuma is stronger than we think, way stronger. And totally makes sense he's an agent for some other source...dragon..
He was the only loyal shichibukai...
 

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But it wouldn't be very useful, he's not repelling all of a Logia since Logia's have shown as much of their element as they want...even Kuma has to have a limit to how much he can repulse.

Thats also encroaching dangerously close to rejecting Devil Fruits themselves.
Kuma has been shown to be able to repel air when he fought Zoro on the Thriller Bark. The power of Kuma's Nikyu Nikyu No Mi is to repel objects, tangible and intangible. Logia fruits allow the user to turn into the element be it fire, sand, smoke, ice etc. If Kuma can repel air why wouldn't he be able to repel other elements? There is basically no limit to what he can repel and that's what makes him so formidable.
 

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He also repelled pain, if he can repel ANYTHING that's scary..air, gravity.....

Maybe space itself
 

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Kuma has been shown to be able to repel air when he fought Zoro on the Thriller Bark. The power of Kuma's Nikyu Nikyu No Mi is to repel objects, tangible and intangible. Logia fruits allow the user to turn into the element be it fire, sand, smoke, ice etc. If Kuma can repel air why wouldn't he be able to repel other elements? There is basically no limit to what he can repel and that's what makes him so formidable.
Yes I've already admitted that he should be able to repel parts of a logia(be it light, ice, thunder etc.) . He repelled air in Thriller Bark, but the fact is he didn't repel all the air in Thriller Bark he only repelled the parts that he was touching.

So take a logia like Smoker or Enel and have them fight Kuma and what you'll get is Kuma repelling parts of the logia's, but the fact is that doesn't matter all that much because said Logia's can reform themselves using their various elements.

Now then the real question with Kuma, in my opinion, is: Has Vegapunk been moving Devil Fruit powers from DF's to inanimate objects(like guns) by using Kuma's power to move/reflect stuff? Like with Luffy's fatigue/pain when he gave it to Zoro. I do think it's a possibility that Kuma could actually move the DF powers.

Because that put's Kuma up there in the strength department.
 

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You know, given what you said I was just struck by a thought.

What if Kuma isn't actually a human modified into a cyborg? But rather a cyborg that was fed a Devil Fruit in the same way that a sword fed the Elephant fruit became Funkfried?

Would be an interested twist, though the idea of a human going so far as a cyborg is still fine with me...
 

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You know, given what you said I was just struck by a thought.

What if Kuma isn't actually a human modified into a cyborg? But rather a cyborg that was fed a Devil Fruit in the same way that a sword fed the Elephant fruit became Funkfried?

Would be an interested twist, though the idea of a human going so far as a cyborg is still fine with me...
But isn't the Human Human Fruit already taken? Which other one could it be, assuming that that's true?

Also, a cyborg by definition is part human and part robot (it comes from cybernetic organism), so he'd have to be an android that ate a Devil Fruit /nerd.
 

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wasn't Kuma an infamous pirate before becoming a shichibukai... well, that could be just some forged history by the WG, but whatever
 

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You know, given what you said I was just struck by a thought.

What if Kuma isn't actually a human modified into a cyborg? But rather a cyborg that was fed a Devil Fruit in the same way that a sword fed the Elephant fruit became Funkfried?

Would be an interested twist, though the idea of a human going so far as a cyborg is still fine with me...
Imitorar has well answered : the only solution would be he ate the human DF because he is a cyborg (" half human, half robot ").
But the human DF is already eaten and Kuma has already eaten a DF (he got the paw ability).
==> Totally impossible.
 
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