Question Is telekenesis for a Nen power possible?

[DarkLordVerjal]

I've been prepping a HxH rpg, and I'm finally near completing except for one lingering issue. One of my friends who admittly hasn't watched much HxH(though the rest of us are changing that), he is dead set on telekinesis as a hatsu.


Bungie Gum is the closest thing to it, but that'd be blatantly ripping off someone's power and I'd really rather avoid that.

Is this remotely possible to do inside the boundaries of the HxH world, without stealing the bungie gum idea? If it is doable, can anyone offer any insight on how it would be done in terms of categories it'd fit into and how it'd actually work in terms of moving objects.

 

[XXGenesis]

Emission + Manipulation is a form of telekinesis....
But Umm No it isn't really possible.
Only way to move things w/o touchin them with Nen is Manipulation...Or some type of emission set up limits and draw backs...

If he really wants TK then make it specialization but it'll have to have limits....It has to be balanced if OP it needs an exploitable weakness.

 

[Kanmuru]

I think this is some kind of telekinesis or maybe Beyond is a jedi..

 

[XXGenesis]

I think this is some kind of telekinesis or maybe Beyond is a jedi..

I never noticed that scene...It's still Emission separating your aura from your body....& Manipulation Controling something with your aura ( Different means to doing so for desired effect wanted varies from person to person)

 

[Demonspeed]

It should be possible. WIith a Manipulation Hatsu.

 

[kkck]

I am not sure manipulation alone would do the trick. When it comes to manipulation we generally see a condition which must be fulfilled and that results in manipulating a person or an object. Usually manipulation works in very specific things. In this case you are talking about manipulating arbitrary stuff... And how would they move? Nen is not quite magic, if something moves its because specifically of nen.

In that regard I would argue that in order to pull off telekinesis you need emission as your primary nen type and an inclination towards manipulation which is basically what has already been suggested. So what you do is basically imbue or shoot your own nen towards things (or people assuming they do no resist the nen with their own) and use manipulation to move them around. Emission is the key here because you depend completely on imbuing things with nen and said nen remaining for as long as possible. Manipulation is the key to moving the thing around. Since it would be a relatively simple trick so to speak I don't think you 100% manipulation will be required to do just about anything you need. Depending on the size of the object and the speed you need it to move at and the distance you move it you could end up using a lot of nen so it is more important to conserve it as much as possible which in principle requires 100% emission. I guess you could get into something more specific with manipulation to increase your control. Say, you can only move stuff which you have done something specific too. Say, put a stamp or something. And then the whole emission thing applies.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't find Emission necessary, Emitters project their Aura, Manipulators can control living or non living-things, they don't all control the mind of creatures. Both Emitters and Manipulators are good at using their Aura at long distance but Emitters are the best at it.

I can see a telekinesis Manipulation Hatsu working like that, he can control things in his radius, there are weight limits, he might or might not be able to control more things depending on the number of objects he is controlling, or there is a definite limits to the number of objects he can control at once, it's harder to control living beings etc.

 

[XXGenesis]

I don't find Emission necessary, Emitters project their Aura, Manipulators can control living or non living-things, they don't all control the mind of creatures. Both Emitters and Manipulators are good at using their Aura at long distance but Emitters are the best at it.

I can see a telekinesis Manipulation Hatsu working like that, he can control things in his radius, there are weight limits, he might or might not be able to control more things depending on the number of objects he is controlling, or there is a definite limits to the number of objects he can control at once, it's harder to control living beings etc.

So what will the condition be to manipulate to these objects ??? Some type of connection/requirement Is needed...along with conditions and limits
*Note the Beyond Netero writing with a pen w/o touchin he's manipulating the pen with his aura...such actions are easy for Nen Masters

*Note Biscuit's training she's able to leave Nen Writing &

Manipulation and Emission go hand in hand...80% in any category is enough to make a solid Hatsu or make good use of it...It's not that you can't use these Nen types it just that your potential/skills will be limited

 

[kkck]

There are some manipulation hatsu which allow you to move objects around although in those cases they usually go for very specific objects which for whatever reason have meaning to them. Kalluto with paper is an example. However I don't think that would work for someone who hypothetically just wants telekinesis. Its one thing when you have a specific object which means something to you and its another when when you just want to move anything around. Presumably the meaning the manipulated object has to you along with the restriction would provide some advantages. Add in a couple other conditions and you got a deadly hatsu. But if you just want to move anything around you are basically giving up on everything equivalent to what alluka would get from using just paper. Emission would be more efficient in this case as what you would be doing is simply putting nen into stuff and moving them around. Presumably you would fight by throwing things at people imbued with nen for the most part....

 

[Demonspeed]

So what will the condition be to manipulate to these objects ??? Some type of connection/requirement Is needed...along with conditions and limits
*Note the Beyond Netero writing with a pen w/o touchin he's manipulating the pen with his aura...such actions are easy for Nen Masters

*Note Biscuit's training she's able to leave Nen Writing &

Manipulation and Emission go hand in hand...80% in any category is enough to make a solid Hatsu or make good use of it...It's not that you can't use these Nen types it just that your potential/skills will be limited

As I said, the user would be able to control things with his mind in a radius, but he wouldn't be able to control the mind of people, I talked about weight and other stuff too. Biscuit can do a lot of things with other Nen types but she will never be as good as a Manipulator or Emitter in their own categories. I don't see Beyond writing with his mind on this pic BTW, to me it seems that he wrote it with his hand and then thrown the pen with his hand, anyway that's not telekinesis. Preffering to master a Nen category you can master at 80% while you are better at another one is a waste of potential and will never be a good choice.

There are some manipulation hatsu which allow you to move objects around although in those cases they usually go for very specific objects which for whatever reason have meaning to them. Kalluto with paper is an example. However I don't think that would work for someone who hypothetically just wants telekinesis. Its one thing when you have a specific object which means something to you and its another when when you just want to move anything around. Presumably the meaning the manipulated object has to you along with the restriction would provide some advantages. Add in a couple other conditions and you got a deadly hatsu. But if you just want to move anything around you are basically giving up on everything equivalent to what alluka would get from using just paper. Emission would be more efficient in this case as what you would be doing is simply putting nen into stuff and moving them around. Presumably you would fight by throwing things at people imbued with nen for the most part....

That's his choice... he only wants a telekinesis ability.

Emission would not be more efficient, Emission is projection of the Aura, not manipulation of an object, you don't even need a Hatsu to put you Aura in something and attack with it, that's Shu.

 

[XXGenesis]

As I said, the user would be able to control things with his mind in a radius, but he wouldn't be able to control the mind of people, I talked about weight and other stuff too. Biscuit can do a lot of things with other Nen types but she will never be as good as a Manipulator or Emitter in their own categories. I don't see Beyond writing with his mind on this pic BTW, to me it seems that he wrote it with his hand and then thrown the pen with his hand, anyway that's not telekinesis. Preffering to master a Nen category you can master at 80% while you are better at another one is a waste of potential and will never be a good choice. [\QUOTE]

Kalluto does not manipulate the paper mentally. He manipulates the paper through his fan. That's his medium for controlling the paper.....We don't know if the paper is conjured or just regular paper......Either way Kalluto is an Manipulater and of a very small stature and age. Yet his SHU is strong enough to make his paper fan capable of cutting steel...

You cannot manipulate things mentally unless there is some type of medium involved...it's part of the rules of Nen

That's his choice... he only wants a telekinesis ability.

Emission would not be more efficient, Emission is projection of the Aura, not manipulation of an object, you don't even need a Hatsu to put you Aura in something and attack with it, that's Shu.

you mean put your aura on something not in....::SHU is a form of emission and enhancement depending on its use...

& yes emission is slightly more efficient because it would fit TK resemblance more and not break Nen laws...

If you can move what your aura covers or is in contact with it works just fine.....Fine Motor control TK would warrant a leap of conditions,restrictions and limits

 

[Demonspeed]

Kalluto does not manipulate the paper mentally. He manipulates the paper through his fan. That's his medium for controlling the paper.....We don't know if the paper is conjured or just regular paper......Either way Kalluto is an Manipulater and of a very small stature and age. Yet his SHU is strong enough to make his paper fan capable of cutting steel...

You cannot manipulate things mentally unless there is some type of medium involved...it's part of the rules of Nen

you mean put your aura on something not in....::SHU is a form of emission and enhancement depending on its use...

& yes emission is slightly more efficient because it would fit TK resemblance more and not break Nen laws...

If you can move what your aura covers or is in contact with it works just fine.....Fine Motor control TK would warrant a leap of conditions,restrictions and limits

I am not comparing this to Kalluto, the goal here is to create a telekinesis ability and telekinesis works in fiction with mental control and hand gestures. I don't remember a rule mentioning that a medium is necessary to control something, no one used something similar to telekinesis, there is Kalluto but it is limited to his confetti, his ability might very well be considered as some kind of papyrokinesis. Those are different techniques, the user is not Kalluto.

1.Emitters and manipulators are good at using their Aura at long distances, to be able to realize this feat, I said the user would have to set a radius, something similar to En to limit the distance(not En itself because it is a technique independent from Hatsu, Leorio's Emission Hatsu proved that that they are ways to use it like that and there are abilities which only work in a certain radius) to be able so manipulate many independent objects in this radius, since he is a Manipulator , who have 80% in Emission, his range would be great.

2.He can control all objects within his radius but there are conditions like weight, the numbers of objects, if they are living beings or not, not being able to manipulate Conjured items or other items or persons used by another Nen user etc. It's easy to create conditions for something that simple.

Shu is not a mix of Emission and Enhancement, it's an advanced technique of Nen mastery, an evolution of Ten, there is no Nen category involved.

It would be more important to have a better control ratter than a better range for a telekinesis ability, 100% at Manipulation of the objects and 80% at Emission for the range seems better than 80% for the Manipulation just to have a better range.

 

[XXGenesis]

I am not comparing this to Kalluto, the goal here is to create a telekinesis ability and telekinesis works in fiction with mental control and hand gestures. I don't remember a rule mentioning that a medium is necessary to control something, no one used something similar to telekinesis, there is Kalluto but it is limited to his confetti, his ability might very well be considered as some kind of papyrokinesis. Those are different techniques, the user is not Kalluto.

I know exactly how TK works it's my fav supernatural power.....The connection with HxH or its crossover you don't seem to understand how it would work or why it doesn't fit.

Kalluto isn't a papyrokinetic..he manipulates paper confetti with his fan..& the confetti is yet to be clarified as real paper or conjured paper.

1.Emitters and manipulators are good at using their Aura at long distances, to be able to realize this feat, I said the user would have to set a radius, something similar to En to limit the distance(not En itself because it is a technique independent from Hatsu, Leorio's Emission Hatsu proved that that they are ways to use it like that and there are abilities which only work in a certain radius) to be able so manipulate many independent objects in this radius, since he is a Manipulator , who have 80% in Emission, his range would be great.

Yo, You cannot manipulate mentally in HxH something your aura is not touxhing. It does not work like that. You either create a form of medium for your manipulation.....Or you use your Aura with emission to make that contact .

Either way for Wireless remote control of something you need a medium.

A set range, weight, control etc etc isn't going to wrk. Nen doesn't work that way.

2.He can control all objects within his radius but there are conditions like weight, the numbers of objects, if they are living beings or not, not being able to manipulate Conjured items or other items or persons used by another Nen user etc. It's easy to create conditions for something that simple.

Doesn't matter. All of that comes after you pick a means of control. Wheter it's your own detached aura which makes it Emission, or a medium used to manipulate things.

Shu is not a mix of Emission and Enhancement, it's an advanced technique of Nen mastery, an evolution of Ten, there is no Nen category involved.

It would be more important to have a better control ratter than a better range for a telekinesis ability, 100% at Manipulation of the objects and 80% at Emission for the range seems better than 80% for the Manipulation just to have a better range.

Yes it is basically.....Shu is an evolution of Ten. Ten is a basic attribute of Ehnacment. You are enhancing an items durability with your aura...Like kalluto's paper fan cutting steel rope, Illumi's needles piercing large rocks.........Emission is aura detached from the body....Sustaining it for prolong periods...Note Hisoka throwing cards don't lose the aura left on them...

 

[DarkLordVerjal]

This was tremendously helpful, thanks a ton.

 

[Demonspeed]

I know exactly how TK works it's my fav supernatural power.....The connection with HxH or its crossover you don't seem to understand how it would work or why it doesn't fit.

Kalluto isn't a papyrokinetic..he manipulates paper confetti with his fan..& the confetti is yet to be clarified as real paper or conjured paper.



Yo, You cannot manipulate mentally in HxH something your aura is not touxhing. It does not work like that. You either create a form of medium for your manipulation.....Or you use your Aura with emission to make that contact .

Either way for Wireless remote control of something you need a medium.

I don't get why you are so sure those are the only two ways to manipulate something, we never really saw a character creating a Manipulation Hatsu in details and manipulating things mentally still counts as Manipulation. The objective here is to try to imagine how a telekinesis ability would work, not dismissing it because you didn't see it in the manga. Hatsu is something personal, they don't create it the same way, Killua didn't create his Electric Hatsu the same way Hisoka created his Bungee Gum and so on. Telekinesis is manipulation of objects and it would count as a Manipulation Hatsu of course.

A set range, weight, control etc etc isn't going to wrk. Nen doesn't work that way.



Doesn't matter. All of that comes after you pick a means of control. Wheter it's your own detached aura which makes it Emission, or a medium used to manipulate things.

Again, why? How do you know that you need to pick a mean of control first, and why would weight and the rest not work as conditions? The conditions are set by the creator of the technique, if you know telekinesis that well you should know that weight limits and stuff are common with this superpower. Since when it's impossible to be able to use his abilities within a set radius? Hisoka's Bungee Gum limit is 10 meters, there is Greed Islang where cards work only in this perimeter unless you win the game, even Cheetu with his bad skills managed to create an Hatsu with a large radius, there is a range for Hakoware etc. It's telekinesis so the mean of control would be his mind.

Yes it is basically.....Shu is an evolution of Ten. Ten is a basic attribute of Ehnacment. You are enhancing an items durability with your aura...Like kalluto's paper fan cutting steel rope, Illumi's needles piercing large rocks.........Emission is aura detached from the body....Sustaining it for prolong periods...Note Hisoka throwing cards don't lose the aura left on them...

Enhancement is something basic to begin with. Shu isn't necessarily used to be detached from the body to begin with, the difference between Emitters and the others is that their Aura are still at full power at long distances, it's different for the others.

 

[XXGenesis]

I don't get why you are so sure those are the only two ways to manipulate something, we never really saw a character creating a Manipulation Hatsu in details and manipulating things mentally still counts as Manipulation. The objective here is to try to imagine how a telekinesis ability would work, not dismissing it because you didn't see it in the manga. Hatsu is something personal, they don't create it the same way, Killua didn't create his Electric Hatsu the same way Hisoka created his Bungee Gum and so on. Telekinesis is manipulation of objects and it would count as a Manipulation Hatsu of course.

I'm sure because its what the manga states to be True and fact.
Manipulation Nen Is Control of a living or Non living thing. The degree of control principally depends on the condition of the manipulator which usually puts them at risk..the greater the risk the better the control...ex. Attaching items or touching the person in a certain place or way.

I didn't say mental control was impossible. But I you understand clearly the definition of manipulation Nen then you should understand it is not possible to set the conditions you gave to create this "TK Hatsu" w/o using emission...(Your seperate aura) as the controlling factor

Doesn't matter we've seen Gon,Killua & Kurapicka,Netero create Hatsu. With deep knowledge/understanding of the mechanics you get the gist....Ex Killua could have never transmute Nen to electricity without prior experience and relation to the element..His pain resistance and constant encounter provided him an affinity for it....Same as Hisoka..Hisoka loved & enjoyed gum as a kid.from there he added rubber for durability and Bam! Hisoka creates his fighting style.

Again, why? How do you know that you need to pick a mean of control first, and why would weight and the rest not work as conditions? The conditions are set by the creator of the technique, if you know telekinesis that well you should know that weight limits and stuff are common with this superpower. Since when it's impossible to be able to use his abilities within a set radius? Hisoka's Bungee Gum limit is 10 meters, there is Greed Islang where cards work only in this perimeter unless you win the game, even Cheetu with his bad skills managed to create an Hatsu with a large radius, there is a range for Hakoware etc. It's telekinesis so the mean of control would be his mind.

Demonspeed you a hurting my brain with this one.

How the F*** do you magically manipulate something mentally in HxH?!?!
Seriously, 10M ; 50lbs; Non-living; these are the conditions...Plz explain to me now what then...how do you proceed to magically lift things with your mind...Explain to me where Nen fits in here. How do you lift things w/o Nen. Or the precise conditions it takes to manipulate things.

Do you understand now? The only way for that to be possible it would be Specialization! Because Speialization are powers or effects that fall outside of the normal Nen categories. & these powers have huge risk, limits and restrictions....

You can't magically move shit with your mind...That doesn't fall in with Nen and how Nen works

Enhancement is something basic to begin with. Shu isn't necessarily used to be detached from the body to begin with, the difference between Emitters and the others is that their Aura are still at full power at long distances, it's different for the others.

Huh? What? I don't get your last sentence.

Ppl confuse Nen principles with its applications.

Nen in General includes Enhancement,Emission,Manipulation,Conjuration,Transmutaion, Specialization........Besides Speialization.....Nen is all of these types it's not divided ...PEOPLE naturally only have 100% affinity to one of its applications and less to its others.

Nen principles are Ten,Ren,Zetsu & Hatsu. Advance principles are Gyo,Ryu,In,En,Ko,Shu

All Nen users can enhance their body, heal and what they hold (SHU) etc...Depending on your personal Nen affinity/aura size & mastery It may or may not be faster or stronger than a natural 100% enhancer.

All Nen users can emit aura away from their body and have it last....the duration and Strentgh of this aura again depends on Personal Nen affinity/aura size & mastery.....It may be a aura that packs a punch and last for days...or it may be weak but remains around for days...

You get where I'm going with this.....

 

[Demonspeed]

I'm sure because its what the manga states to be True and fact.
Manipulation Nen Is Control of a living or Non living thing. The degree of control principally depends on the condition of the manipulator which usually puts them at risk..the greater the risk the better the control...ex. Attaching items or touching the person in a certain place or way.

I didn't say mental control was impossible. But I you understand clearly the definition of manipulation Nen then you should understand it is not possible to set the conditions you gave to create this "TK Hatsu" w/o using emission...(Your seperate aura) as the controlling factor

Manipulation is the ability to control living or non living things, that's all. Nowhere is it said that all the means of Manipulation are done by touching or using an object.

I didn't say without Emission... Reread my post, I said he would need to extend his Aura to a certain extent, and that it would be fitting for him because he would be a Manipulator, who are good at Emission. Outside of this radius, his telkeinesis would not work,

Doesn't matter we've seen Gon,Killua & Kurapicka,Netero create Hatsu. With deep knowledge/understanding of the mechanics you get the gist....Ex Killua could have never transmute Nen to electricity without prior experience and relation to the element..His pain resistance and constant encounter provided him an affinity for it....Same as Hisoka..Hisoka loved & enjoyed gum as a kid.from there he added rubber for durability and Bam! Hisoka creates his fighting style.

You are simplifying Hatsu creation. It takes time, Hisoka created Bungee Gum because he liked it but can you guess how he created it? Would you have guessed that Killua had took a stun gun to create his Hatsu? Or that Gon had to train hard at Transformation(by shaping numbers) and Emission techniques to finalize Jajanken? Can you guess which were the steps of all Nen users to create their Hatsu? You can't. It was not Netero's Hatsu BTW, it was a pure physical training which enhanced the speed of his fists.

Demonspeed you a hurting my brain with this one.

How the F*** do you magically manipulate something mentally in HxH?!?!
Seriously, 10M ; 50lbs; Non-living; these are the conditions...Plz explain to me now what then...how do you proceed to magically lift things with your mind...Explain to me where Nen fits in here. How do you lift things w/o Nen. Or the precise conditions it takes to manipulate things.

Do you understand now? The only way for that to be possible it would be Specialization! Because Speialization are powers or effects that fall outside of the normal Nen categories. & these powers have huge risk, limits and restrictions....

You can't magically move shit with your mind...That doesn't fall in with Nen and how Nen works

Nen is something supernatural in the first place, this is not without Nen, I am talking about a telekinesis Hatsu, how can you create a Hatsu without Nen? I am not saying that he is magically lifting things without anything, as I said, he has to emit a Nen space in which he will be able to use his telekinesis. Without emitting this first, his telekinesis ability can't work, conditions are limitless and are different for all users though there are some general cases, they are never exactly the same because the Hatsu are different. As long as it involves Manipulation of things, the Specialization ability will be linked to it, some are totally different from all the categories but Chrollo's Hatsu is linked to Conjuration, same as Kurapika, and Leol, Pitou's Hatsu is linked to Manipulation etc. It's more likely to become a Specialist when you belong to one of these 2 categories for a reason. Anyway, Specialization would not be needed for the Hatsu I described.

Huh? What? I don't get your last sentence.

Ppl confuse Nen principles with its applications.

Nen in General includes Enhancement,Emission,Manipulation,Conjuration,Transmutaion, Specialization........Besides Speialization.....Nen is all of these types it's not divided ...PEOPLE naturally only have 100% affinity to one of its applications and less to its others.

Nen principles are Ten,Ren,Zetsu & Hatsu. Advance principles are Gyo,Ryu,In,En,Ko,Shu

All Nen users can enhance their body, heal and what they hold (SHU) etc...Depending on your personal Nen affinity/aura size & mastery It may or may not be faster or stronger than a natural 100% enhancer.

All Nen users can emit aura away from their body and have it last....the duration and Strentgh of this aura again depends on Personal Nen affinity/aura size & mastery.....It may be a aura that packs a punch and last for days...or it may be weak but remains around for days...

You get where I'm going with this.....

I don't disagree, I am saying that Hisoka throwing cards with Shu would lose intensity after covering some distance, it would not be the case with an Emitter.

 

[XXGenesis]

I'm done debating this. Because you don't understand The parameters of being a manipulator HxH.
You cannot manipulate something w/o a medium. Point Blank Period....IDC what you say this is a fact for Manipulation affinity Nen.

Again I can tell you are confused or misinformed about the useage of some Nen....And are reading my comments straight through and not thoroughly.

Beyond Netero obviously extended his aura to the pen to manipulate an write with it....the breakdown of this
1) From his index finger down he transmuted his aura to reach & cover the pen. Then he manipulated it
2) Or he emitted his aura from his index finger onto the pen. Then manipulated it

What you are talking is basically using EN. & whatever is within your EN circumference you can manipulate..That isn't a bad idea besides the fact that EN is a stamina burner....& you still wouldn't be able to fling things around just because they are within your EN range...More limits,conditions and connection would have to be made........Better reading of your post you go back to Emitting a Nen space.....I'm glad you said Emitting...Either way that would still be like EN and would need more conditions

That's it. That's what you don't get. To manipulate something CONDITION(S) have to be set or an link with your aura has to be there.
I'm not asking I'm telling you..

As for Hatsu creation...Am I Togashi? No I'm not so I can't foretell with 100% accuracy the route his character will take or how they will develop as for their techniques...But after he gives dialogue of how such techniques come about, and he shows their inception you start to get the idea of the step by step...Manipulation is the easiest understanding Affinitiy of Nen..You manipulate things with Nen...Togashi shows us this is done with Stretching, or seperating you aura, attaching items, certain touches, or physical contact...End of the day it needs a medium

Kurapicka doesn't have an specialist Hatsu. He's a specialist because He can use all Nen Affinities to 100% when Scarlet Eye'd. His Hatsu is his chains which use different affinities....most of these affinities are useless unless Kurapicka is in his specialist mode/Scarlet Eye'd

 

[Alberto]

Well, being this conjured or not, it is levitating. Not sure if somewhere says this guy is a Manipulator or an Conjurer, but either way, he levitates stuff with nen. Without nen, it is impossible to levitate something anyway.

http://animeism.org/web/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-shot-2013-07-27-at-8.55.27-PM.png

I guess you also could, for example, create a "room" where there´s 0 gravity, or imagination turns into reality (so on can levitate), with some rules, but then your nen would be acting in the entire room, meaning it would be used for the levitation.

 

[XXGenesis]

Please tell me the secret of being rich.

Hard Work, Dedication, Focus, Practice, Confidence, Investing in yourself, business , craft or skill.


@Demonspeed I've seen this thread has been left alone, but not because of my recent heads up..Discussing this possible Hatsu has been frustrating bouncing our beliefs and thoughts off one another..I didn't lose my Kool here that much but it's evident I'm flustered trying to convince or away you to my train of thought.....I been meaning to say Sorry If I'm coming off a bit strong and aggressive