Fantasy Jacob vs Lucy

[WoWfan]

you are forgetting that J & H are no ordinary wizards as they were enchantments from Irene that even made Mira tremble at the thought, it only shows that even at max power she is no match for Irene. It doesn’t matter who she fought as they were still wizards, she even took blasts from Azuma while she was in normal form too, and was confirmed/stated to be not in best condition and same with Seliah who took several of her serious attacks and did not die, unlike what people claim about her fighting condition with Jacob who the former had time to recover her power. Eh, I just see her clothes melting, Irene said that she was going to burn her skin but did not get to do that, it is more obvious before and that did not do what it did before. In context, Lisanna simply believed that was the most powerful demon in general, not Mira’s most powerful form, which Lamy replied with a correcting the strongest demon confirms she was not talking about her strongest form, just like Erza’s who vaguely believed that was her strongest which Mira would later debunk it with her getting serious in base. There is really no proof that there was a difference in strength between the Two other than new spells that hardly do anything stat wise. And yet they still act in character 99% of the time, because they like to test each other’s strength as a way of respect, because friendship. Yeah, I just said that, there was no serious wounds that caused her discomfort besides the gut wound from August, he has magic for that, which requires focus, doesn’t need other senses for that, focus would divert one’s ability to channel durability.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Lucy wins if No PiS.

His stealth magic is useless against Lucy. So is his Teleporting magic. So all he has left is his combat which Capricorn or simply trapping in in a spica hole or a bunch of whole would restrain him long enough for Lucy to cast Urano Metria.

 

[WoWfan]

Lucy wins if No PiS.

His stealth magic is useless against Lucy. So is his Teleporting magic. So all he has left is his combat which Capricorn or simply trapping in in a spica hole or a bunch of whole would restrain him long enough for Lucy to cast Urano Metria.

How is transport useless? It would require Marin around for that, he could just blitz her with a knife and end it there.

 

[Cosmicstar]

How is transport useless? It would require Marin around for that, he could just blitz her with a knife and end it there.

Gemini has already copied Marin which could stop Jacob from accessing Spacial magic which the only thing he has that is a threat to Lucy. Also Lucy has dodge bullets and much faster attacks. So without PIS that isn't going to do anything.

 

[WoWfan]

Gemini has already copied Marin which could stop Jacob from accessing Spacial magic which the only thing he has that is a threat to Lucy. Also Lucy has dodge bullets and much faster attacks. So without PIS that isn't going to do anything.

I don’t think that is how copy works as they can transform into the previous two people as the older ones get erased, plus using that would get rid of Lucy’s celestial spirit magic as well and even then, he can just clap his hands all over again, it is indiscriminate, Yet she could not dodge, That would mean that Jacob threw the knife faster than a bullet.

 

[Cosmicstar]

I don’t think that is how copy works as they can transform into the previous two people as the older ones get erased, plus using that would get rid of Lucy’s celestial spirit magic as well and even then, he can just clap his hands all over again, it is indiscriminate, Yet she could not dodge, That would mean that Jacob threw the knife faster than a bullet.

Marin can reverse spatial magic or he can simply stop it from happening. It isn't always the same. Marin control over spatial magic varies. Marin decides who gets to use spatial magic and who doesn't. When Lucy had Gemini use Marins spatial magic she reversed it because she needed to bring the fairy tail members back versus simply stopping him from further use, which simply stopping him from clapping achieves.

Lucy was able to react to the Knife. However instead of dodging she put her hand up in an attempt to block. She saw the knife coming though. So the speed was never the issue it was her choice of reaction.

 

[Seven777]

Lucy wins if No PiS.

His stealth magic is useless against Lucy. So is his Teleporting magic. So all he has left is his combat which Capricorn or simply trapping in in a spica hole or a bunch of whole would restrain him long enough for Lucy to cast Urano Metria.

No, she doesn't. None of her spirits, let alone Capricorn have combat ability on the level of base Natsu, Lucy has no chance at taking him head on. Getting trapped in a Spica hole also isn't immobilizing Jacob long enough to cast Urano Metria, it's nowhere even close to Aquarius tier.
Oh and using Gemini to counter Transport means she can't use Urano Metria.

 

[Cosmicstar]

No, she doesn't. None of her spirits, let alone Capricorn have combat ability on the level of base Natsu, Lucy has no chance at taking him head on. Getting trapped in a Spica hole also isn't immobilizing Jacob long enough to cast Urano Metria, it's nowhere even close to Aquarius tier.
Oh and using Gemini to counter Transport means she can't use Urano Metria.

Urano Metira isn't spatial magic. That is like saying Heavenly body magic is spatial magic. Also Capricorn has great combat skill so does Leo. The only reason Jacob was an actual threat was because of his stealth magic. Leo has already shown to counter that.

Taking BS out of the equation Lucy isn't going to send Leo away because he is perverted. Lucy also isn't going to use Leo form when she has more powerful forms. Also Jacob has no attack whatsoever strong enough to break out of Spica lock. It took a Dragon roar that destroyed an entire room for Kyria to do that. Jacob doesn't have that type of attack power. Leo also can deliver multiple punches within a second same with Capricorn. Jacobs only real threat to Lucy was transport which Horologium or Gemini can counter.

Also let's get something straight Lucy was contending with Mimi who has greater physical and speed feats than Jacob has. Lucy vs Jacob this time isn't going to be a fanservice battle. She is going to summon Leo to counter his Stealth which is a proven counter. If he tries to use Transport Horologium would protect the gang from it. Then Lucy would have Gemini transform into Marin to stop Jacob from accessing Spatial magic as Marin has the power to decide who can and can't use spatial magic in his area. Lucy uses Spica lock which traps Jacob who has shown no power to actually escape such an attack while Lucy cast Urano metria. This is just one way through the fight could go.

 

[Seven777]

Urano Metira isn't spatial magic. That is like saying Heavenly body magic is spatial magic. Also Capricorn has great combat skill so does Leo. The only reason Jacob was an actual threat was because of his stealth magic. Leo has already shown to counter that.

Taking BS out of the equation Lucy isn't going to send Leo away because he is perverted. Lucy also isn't going to use Leo form when she has more powerful forms. Also Jacob has no attack whatsoever strong enough to break out of Spica lock. It took a Dragon roar that destroyed an entire room for Kyria to do that. Jacob doesn't have that type of attack power. Leo also can deliver multiple punches within a second same with Capricorn. Jacobs only real threat to Lucy was transport which Horologium or Gemini can counter.

Also let's get something straight Lucy was contending with Mimi who has greater physical and speed feats than Jacob has. Lucy vs Jacob this time isn't going to be a fanservice battle. She is going to summon Leo to counter his Stealth which is a proven counter. If he tries to use Transport Horologium would protect the gang from it. Then Lucy would have Gemini transform into Marin to stop Jacob from accessing Spatial magic as Marin has the power to decide who can and can't use spatial magic in his area. Lucy uses Spica lock which traps Jacob who has shown no power to actually escape such an attack while Lucy cast Urano metria. This is just one way through the fight could go.

I know, but she can't use Urano Metria without Gemini transformed into herself.
As for Capricorn and Loke, Jacob was kicking the shit out of Loke, Base Natsu and Lucy combined. Capricorn isn't enough to make up for Base Natsu, not even close.

Taking BS out of the equation Jacob just goes invisible again as soon as Loke undoes it, she'll have to force Loke to keep spamming the attack and Jacob has much more MP than she does. As for having an attack to break out of Spica Lock? What are you talking about lmao, you don't need some super strong attack, all she does is make a hole in the ground. Fodder from the beginning of the series are strong enough to smash a bit of dirt lol. And Jacob doesn't even need to smash it, he could literally just climb out of it, no attacking needed.

Yeah, let's get it straight, Mimi has no physical feats of strength or speed greater than overpowering Taurus and punching Capricorn, which in itself is so mediocre that it's not even worth considering. Jacob on the other hand has the feat of grappling and hitting Natsu. The gulf in impressiveness between these two character's feats is so colossal, that it's laughable to even compare the two.

 

[Axiomus]

You guys are overthinking it. Lucy summons Gemini to chant Urano and fights Jacob with her Aquarius stardress. Jacob closes his eyes because Lucy is in a swimsuit, and they oneshot him.

 

[Seven777]

You guys are overthinking it. Lucy summons Gemini to chant Urano and fights Jacob with her Aquarius stardress. Jacob closes his eyes because Lucy is in a swimsuit, and they oneshot him.

Gemini defaults to a bikini, so she doesn't even really need to use the Aquarius stardress

 

[WoWfan]

Marin can reverse spatial magic or he can simply stop it from happening. It isn't always the same. Marin control over spatial magic varies. Marin decides who gets to use spatial magic and who doesn't. When Lucy had Gemini use Marins spatial magic she reversed it because she needed to bring the fairy tail members back versus simply stopping him from further use, which simply stopping him from clapping achieves.

Lucy was able to react to the Knife. However instead of dodging she put her hand up in an attempt to block. She saw the knife coming though. So the speed was never the issue it was her choice of reaction.

You don’t get it, Marin’s magic is indiscriminate, and Lucy’s magic is spatial magic which would then cancel each other out, if anything, it shows that anyone doesn’t get to use it. Being able to notice it is not the Same as being able to move out of the way fast enough which means it would still have killed her, it was never about choice.

 

[grey matter]

Lucy isn't strong enough to resist Jacob's hax.

Jacob > Lucy in stats too.

She literally has no counter to invis + clap. By the time she calls Loke to identify Jacob, he already would've clapped.

Jacob wins, no diff

 

[Axiomus]

Does Jacob really beat Lucy in stats though? Her snake-Yokai form did just as well against base Natsu as Jacob ever did, and I was under the impression that current Lucy became stronger than snake-Yokai.

Yeah, Jacob stomps if he turns invisible and claps for transport. But he's literally too stupid to do that. His attack power by itself is also terrible. I honestly think Lucy can just cover her head and chant Urano. Even if Jacob hits her a dozen times and knocks her around, it'll still be no worse than the beating she took from Mimi.

 

[WoWfan]

Lucy really just dodged, she did not take Natsu's attacks head on, even using cheap tricks, while Jacob reacted and countered. Jacob scales to other Spriggans in strength, so his attack power is far from terrible, he does use Invisibility, by Lucy counters that with Loke's light, but counters that with Transport and/or invisible weapons or simply sever her head.

 

[Celestial Spirit Queen Lu]

you are forgetting that J & H are no ordinary wizards as they were enchantments from Irene that even made Mira tremble at the thought, it only shows that even at max power she is no match for Irene. It doesn’t matter who she fought as they were still wizards, she even took blasts from Azuma while she was in normal form too, and was confirmed/stated to be not in best condition and same with Seliah who took several of her serious attacks and did not die, unlike what people claim about her fighting condition with Jacob who the former had time to recover her power. Eh, I just see her clothes melting, Irene said that she was going to burn her skin but did not get to do that, it is more obvious before and that did not do what it did before. In context, Lisanna simply believed that was the most powerful demon in general, not Mira’s most powerful form, which Lamy replied with a correcting the strongest demon confirms she was not talking about her strongest form, just like Erza’s who vaguely believed that was her strongest which Mira would later debunk it with her getting serious in
Sure, sure, the gap between her and Jacob was huge though. It's like saying that after the GMG timeskip Wendy had risen to Zancrow level or something.

So? Doesn't change the fact that she was treating Lucy like a joke, because that was what Lucy was to her, a joke, hence the BDSM. It's like Gildarts fighting Natsu on Tenrou, sure, he took Natsu head on, he was just fucking around though at the end of the day.

Not a strawman, at best it's me misunderstanding your post due to your position and the way it's written. You said Jacob only matched low MP Mirajane, implying that Lucy matched normal MP Mirajane. And then, in this very post, you're claiming Mirajane took Lucy head on. Tell me, what did you mean by that if not to say Lucy was matching Mirajane?

Except GMG Wendy doesn't got the feats to compare to Zancrow. If you haven't noticed I'm using feats to compare them.

Actually no. Mirajane literally did the bdsm stuff to Lucy's spirits to capture them. She literally only did it once they were defeated.

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Show me a scan of Mirajane doing the bondage stuff during this fight to someone she hasn't defeated.

I remember only saying that Lucy was able to take hits from Elfman and Full Power Mirajane. While Jacob could only fight on par with a heavily weakend Mirajane.

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you are forgetting that J & H are no ordinary wizards as they were enchantments from Irene that even made Mira tremble at the thought, it only shows that even at max power she is no match for Irene. It doesn’t matter who she fought as they were still wizards, she even took blasts from Azuma while she was in normal form too, and was confirmed/stated to be not in best condition and same with Seliah who took several of her serious attacks and did not die, unlike what people claim about her fighting condition with Jacob who the former had time to recover her power. Eh, I just see her clothes melting, Irene said that she was going to burn her skin but did not get to do that, it is more obvious before and that did not do what it did before. In context, Lisanna simply believed that was the most powerful demon in general, not Mira’s most powerful form, which Lamy replied with a correcting the strongest demon confirms she was not talking about her strongest form, just like Erza’s who vaguely believed that was her strongest which Mira would later debunk it with her getting serious in base. There is really no proof that there was a difference in strength between the Two other than new spells that hardly do anything stat wise. And yet they still act in character 99% of the time, because they like to test each other’s strength as a way of respect, because friendship. Yeah, I just said that, there was no serious wounds that caused her discomfort besides the gut wound from August, he has magic for that, which requires focus, doesn’t need other senses for that, focus would divert one’s ability to channel durability.

And? What is that supposed to mean? I'm literally using them as an example of them tiring out Base Satan Soul Mirajane omg.

They were fodder wizards.

If you're in a boxing match and you're going to fight someone who's way weaker than you where you could easily beat them without trying that's what you're going to do. That's why she didn't transform into her SS against them. Simply because they were too weak that she didn't need to exert herself.

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Read the whole chapter. The reason she was in base form against Azuma at the moment was cause she can't continuously use takeover.

Yeah. Meaning she believes it's Mira's most powerful form as it's the strongest demon she's seen. I think you forget the fact Mirajane takeovers abilities of demons.

It literally doesn't change the fact that they are going all out against eachother. Just what are you trying to argue here?

The Juliet and Heine vs Mirajane fight is right there.

I could literally focus with my ears to tell where someone is.

Letting down your guard means to relax and stop being alert.

Tell me, was Jacob any of those things in his fight against Mirajane?

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No, she doesn't. None of her spirits, let alone Capricorn have combat ability on the level of base Natsu, Lucy has no chance at taking him head on. Getting trapped in a Spica hole also isn't immobilizing Jacob long enough to cast Urano Metria, it's nowhere even close to Aquarius tier.
Oh and using Gemini to counter Transport means she can't use Urano Metria.

You do realize that Base Natsu was literally holding back on Jacob? He didn't want to destroy the Guild and only went lose when Makarov threw Jacob out of the guild and bodied him.

 

[Seven777]

You do realize that Base Natsu was literally holding back on Jacob? He didn't want to destroy the Guild and only went lose when Makarov threw Jacob out of the guild and bodied him.

I know, I'm not talking about full power Natsu. I'm talking Natsu, with just his fighting skills, his physical strength, no fire, is better than Capricorn or any other spirit bar CSK..

Does Jacob really beat Lucy in stats though? Her snake-Yokai form did just as well against base Natsu as Jacob ever did, and I was under the impression that current Lucy became stronger than snake-Yokai.

Yeah, Jacob stomps if he turns invisible and claps for transport. But he's literally too stupid to do that. His attack power by itself is also terrible. I honestly think Lucy can just cover her head and chant Urano. Even if Jacob hits her a dozen times and knocks her around, it'll still be no worse than the beating she took from Mimi.

Yes, Jacob kicked the shit out of her effortlessly, he doesn't need invisibility or Transport, or even his knives, based on pure combat skill alone, he'd overwhelm Lucy.

As for her snake Yokai, it's stated several times stronger than Lucy, current Lucy doesn't have that level of strength any more than Happy does. Snake Lucy also did worse against Natsu than Jacob. Landed less hits and only triggered LFD as opposed to FDK, all with the benefit of Natsu being unwilling to hurt her.

 

[Axiomus]

Lucy really just dodged, she did not take Natsu's attacks head on, even using cheap tricks, while Jacob reacted and countered. Jacob scales to other Spriggans in strength, so his attack power is far from terrible, he does use Invisibility, by Lucy counters that with Loke's light, but counters that with Transport and/or invisible weapons or simply sever her head.

So? Not like she couldn't tank the shots Natsu threw at Jacob. She smothered Natsu's flames with water and then outfought him with her snake form.

Jacob's attack powers are terrible among the Spriggans. Every Spriggan hits harder than him.

Nobody says he never uses invisibility. He never tries to clap while invisible.

 

[WoWfan]

yet she did not, that she was even injured by slaps by Aquarius, so that means she is stronger than Natsu, because flames are weak underwater, that was his base form, nothing impressive. Jacob's strength is considerable as he took the blows from Natsu and Lucy head on while holding back and even distracted, they are stated to be comparable to each other in strength, he was closing his eyes, distracted by his shyness. Mira just underestimated them, she was not completely out of gas until after Alegria form, they are enchantments of Irene so they are powerful, if basic enchantments can overpower Erza then there is no reason why powerful enchantments wouldn't be any weaker. if I was in a boxing match I call the reff that he is not in the same weight class and he be disqualified. Don't know what that has to do with anything but whatever, even in the anime She managed to scare Azuma and push him back in human form. continuously, not the same as not out of power. not what she said simply said strongest demon that groups even the Etherious but whatever, so? they weren't going all out against each other, Mira was playing with Lucy, she simply had to use a different form to take them down because they are part of Irene's power afterall, yeah, if you have anime on your side against someone who can fly and shoot lasers, that still lowers your stats, just like any wizard can do if they are not putting their power into it, he was indeed lowered his stats because he was not conditionally all in it.

 

[Axiomus]

Yes, Jacob kicked the shit out of her effortlessly, he doesn't need invisibility or Transport, or even his knives, based on pure combat skill alone, he'd overwhelm Lucy.

As for her snake Yokai, it's stated several times stronger than Lucy, current Lucy doesn't have that level of strength any more than Happy does. Snake Lucy also did worse against Natsu than Jacob. Landed less hits and only triggered LFD as opposed to FDK, all with the benefit of Natsu being unwilling to hurt her.

Then I'll have to disagree. Without stealth making him invisible, Jacob is literally just a dude with a whip and knives. He might be better at martial arts and pretty good durability, but I still don't see how Jacob finishes Lucy off without transport. I think Aquarius stardress alone can pretty much hold Jacob off long enough for Gemini to finish casting Urano.

Fair enough on the FDK vs LFD, but the hits Lucy were landing were actually throwing Natsu around and making him mad. Jacob's hits were pretty much things Natsu could shrug off and hold a conversation while tanking. It's also worth noting that FDK was somewhat overkill. Makarov's punches were enough to send Jacob flying, and Jacob was reeling in pain from the heat before Natsu actually punched him. LFD is also what Natsu used to beat Gajeel.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Jacob might have better durability and skill, but his attack power is abysmal. And frankly, I don't see him finishing off Levy or Wendy with his hand to hand attacks. Not based on what they've been through from Bloodman and Dimaria. Lucy is around their level. With what we've recently seen from Star Dress mix and Urano, I think Lucy hits hard enough to rival a punch from Satan Soul....Which again, oneshotted Jacob.