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Dragon, based on Kinemon's reactions so far...
Kinemon either hates dragons because Kaidou is a dragon or because Ryuma was well known for slaying a dragon. It would be natural for the people of Wano to hate dragons because Ryuma their greatest hero slayed one in the past so all dragons must be vile beasts to them.
Allot of people think Dragon has dragon devil fruit so I am sure they would be against Kaidou having a dragon devil fruit, though I believe dragon is wind logia since it fits his whole winds of change persona so I guess Kaidou could be a dragon.
 

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Kinemon either hates dragons because Kaidou is a dragon or because Ryuma was well known for slaying a dragon. It would be natural for the people of Wano to hate dragons because Ryuma their greatest hero slayed one in the past so all dragons must be vile beasts to them.
Allot of people think Dragon has dragon devil fruit so I am sure they would be against Kaidou having a dragon devil fruit, though I believe dragon is wind logia since it fits his whole winds of change persona so I guess Kaidou could be a dragon.
Not liking dragons and wanting vengeance against them are two different things. Ryouma slaying the dragon was more than 400 years ago, do you really think he would have such a hatred against something that did not even happen in his lifetime?
 

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Not liking dragons and wanting vengeance against them are two different things. Ryouma slaying the dragon was more than 400 years ago, do you really think he would have such a hatred against something that did not even happen in his lifetime?
Hatred is easily inherited by the next generation and so on. As time passes the original hatred morphs and takes a life of its own. So something minor 400 years ago could have become a major deal 400 years later.
 

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Hatred is easily inherited by the next generation and so on. As time passes the original hatred morphs and takes a life of its own. So something minor 400 years ago could have become a major deal 400 years later.
Again, it still would not be a vengeance
 

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no mythical zoan option?

my friend suggested a theory about Kaido being mythical zoan user model Typhon, "The father of all monsters" of Greek mythology. Think that would fit his "100 beast" epithet perfectly.
 

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no mythical zoan option?

my friend suggested a theory about Kaido being mythical zoan user model Typhon, "The father of all monsters" of Greek mythology. Think that would fit his "100 beast" epithet perfectly.
Yeah but he would be a human with a fruit like anyone else, even if his fruit is extremely special
 

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Definitely a dragon.

There's been talks about Dragons since the beginning of the arc, and Kinemon hates dragons, etc, etc.
It's pretty clear that Kaido is a dragon.

Ceasar was creating artificial devil fruits that could mimick the Dragon fruit (Momo ate one of those artificial fruits).
 

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Definitely a dragon.

There's been talks about Dragons since the beginning of the arc, and Kinemon hates dragons, etc, etc.
It's pretty clear that Kaido is a dragon.

Ceasar was creating artificial devil fruits that could mimick the Dragon fruit (Momo ate one of those artificial fruits).
The dragons were made by Vegapunk, and I would imagine they were more 'spliced'. I would like to know what Smiles require other than SAD. I keep thinking they require a base animal, but that makes the dragon thing more complicated, especially considering the variances among the three we've seen.

The dragon idea does have traction.
I imagine Kaido is assembling a Smile army to contend Blackbeard, which makes me wonder about him even more... I like the Typhoon concept, but it's a hard design to imagine. Just because he was referred to as the most powerful creature doesn't mean he wasn't originally human though. He could just have a form that leaves that much more of an impression. If he requires transformation to make any significant action I would take note of that over the original man.
 

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I want Kaido to be the Florian Triangle monster.
 

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What "creature" is Kaido?

-Giant from Elbaf
 

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how about vampire or werewolf .

when i say vampire or werewolf i didnt mean its DF vampire or DF werewolf but original vampire or werewolf. we have see toys, mermaid and other creature so why not one of strong creature of night
 

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I'm betting that he's some sort of humanoid dragon.
 

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He's a creature(probably a wolf) who ate the totem totem df. He is his crew's source of power-up. Kinda like grayback from battle realms,only that grayback is a human from the wolf clan. Or kinda like a serpent/dragon who ate a pheasant pheasant df(Kenji). Or a witch like Yvaine or Zymeth from the lotus clan. But judging from the island where we saw x drake and caribou, I think kaidou is a robot, or something created by technology. I think he is a robot with a human brain,a cyborg like franky or kuma. Or he could be a robot created by vegapunk who then had its own way of thinking but same knowledge as vegapunk.
 

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I don't think it's Typhon. That's a Titan, thus a god, and a whole new level of mythical Zoan. But my guess is close to Typhon, however. An offspring of his in Greek mythology.
Mythical Zoan type: Chimera
Chimera are mythical creatures that are a combination of a goat, serpent and lion. But nowadays the name is used for most amalgamations of animals. Kaido of the 100 beasts? His Chimera fruit allows him to morph parts of his body into whatever animal parts he likes. A worthy fruit of a Yonko, and probably the most powerful Zoan fruit.
*Waiting for BB to come in when Kaido is defeated to steal his fruit.* :P
 

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100 beasts = king of beasts = lion possible. Sign of the beast (serpent /dragon) maybe. I am gonna throw out a completely different idea and say that he is a giant centipede that at a human paramecia. Mainly because that would be awesome and the transformation forms with 100 legs would leave a lot of very dangerous configurations.
 

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Kaido | appearance, abilities, motivations and general concept

Hey,

before i start, there already is a similiar topic to the matter, what kind of creature Kaido is:
You can find it here.

Since i want to go in a slightly different direction i will just qoute the conclusions that i found important:

Kaido's relation to a dragon zoan:
Yamata no orochi or another multi-headed dragon like Hydra.
Yamata no orochi is also the main villain in a town of Dragon Quest 3 called Zipangu which clearly imitates the ancient Japan. Dragon Quest is Oda's most favorite game series. There is a monster named King Hydra in the game too.
Oda has shown some dragons in PH arc, which suggests Kaido is something related to dragon. The fact that Kin-e-mon hates dragon strongly supports this idea.
I find it particular that Kinemon talks about vengeance regarding dragons while also being scared of the name Kaidou
Kinemon either hates dragons because Kaidou is a dragon or because Ryuma was well known for slaying a dragon. It would be natural for the people of Wano to hate dragons because Ryuma their greatest hero slayed one in the past so all dragons must be vile beasts to them.
Allot of people think Dragon has dragon devil fruit so I am sure they would be against Kaidou having a dragon devil fruit, though I believe dragon is wind logia since it fits his whole winds of change persona so I guess Kaidou could be a dragon.
Definitely a dragon.

There's been talks about Dragons since the beginning of the arc, and Kinemon hates dragons, etc, etc.
It's pretty clear that Kaido is a dragon.

Ceasar was creating artificial devil fruits that could mimick the Dragon fruit (Momo ate one of those artificial fruits).
Opposed by:
Yamata no Orochi is actually an attack used by Sandersonia of the Kuja pirates (when she was fighting Luffy). I guess there's no reason why it wouldn't also be the model for a character though.
Oh, I was forgetting about that. And Hydra is one of Magellan's attacks. hmm..
Kaido having a lion zoan:
I'd be okay with him being a Giant who ate a Neko Neko no Mi: Model Lion... even though Typhon sounds cool...

I just want Kaidou to be prideful... and be worthy of Luffy's fist...
Kaido beeing a Cyborg, or similiar to that:
This is not my theory, but someone on the predictions thread suggested Kaidou might be a creature of Vegapunk
Kaido having another ancient or mythical zoan:
Mythical Zoan type: Chimera
Chimera are mythical creatures that are a combination of a goat, serpent and lion. But nowadays the name is used for most amalgamations of animals. Kaido of the 100 beasts? His Chimera fruit allows him to morph parts of his body into whatever animal parts he likes. A worthy fruit of a Yonko, and probably the most powerful Zoan fruit.
*Waiting for BB to come in when Kaido is defeated to steal his fruit.* :P
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In conclusion we have these possibilities from the discussion:

- dragon zoan (or him beeing a dragon in general)
- ancient or mythical zoan
- cyborg
- lion zoan
- other note before metioned (alien, greek titan ability, werewolf)


So we can assume two things: His title of beeing the strongest of all creatures (100 beasts) seems to be a big deal, or hint to his powers. Also he has an army of artificial Zoans, duh. I think it's a must for his set-up to be the strongest Zoan-user out there.
The other thing is the hint to Wano and him beeing a dragon and the possible conflict with Monkey D. Dragon and his concept.

I wanna qoute myself on that topic and regarding dragon zoans in general:
Well, at least we do know that there is some sort of Zoan out there, that transforms you into a dragon. :P So there are two different ways:
1. Vegapunk recreated the dragons and then made his own artificial Zoan with their "genes" or whatever
2. there actually exists an ancient dragon Zoan which he tried to copy.

Also we have to think about Momo's appearance: all of Vegapunk's dragons were western dragons. Momo is eastern though. This could be because he belongs to the Samurais, but this far into the Mange we never had the animal-form of a Zoan be affected by the origin of it's user. Thus there could be the possibility for an ancient Zoan that can control weather and fits into the eastern dragon mythologie.
In my opinion we're getting a bit too much dragon lately. Searching for mythical beasts and kings of animals brings up some similiar possibilities:
- Manticore (mentioned in the thread, but not "king" of something)
- Leviathan (could be anything since it's a wide spread name)
- Basilisk (my current guess, also the king of serpents)

The problem with those mythical types is they all appeared somehow before. We had a Sphinx in Impel Down, which is equal to a Manticore in most ways. The concept of a Leviathan ist kinda wacky since simply beeing huge is kinda lame and also we already have someone lika that in BB's crew.
My guess is Kaido having a Basilisk Zoan. This truly is a powerful ability that can even reach up to Marco's. Yet again, we already had a Basilisk before, guess where: Impel Down. Also i think such an ability would only be plausible without the kings disposition, since both do roughly the same.

I gotta finish due to lack of time. I don't see Kaido beeing a lion with the same reasons i don't see him as a dragon. We already had enough of those.

I know I'm missing the other half of the whole topic. But maybe we can start a new discussion anyway and I'll add to it later.

In my opinion there hasn't been as much speculation about Kaido as I'd wish, since he will become very important soon.
 

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Well, the strongest creature is generally used to refer human beings. But since Chopper already ate the fruit ,

I m inclined to say titan/leviathan/Virus . But i am also thinkingo n the lines of some pharamon type fruit as beasts tend to be more sensitive to smell .

Also , if it does turn out to be something stupid , itmight be a wife wife fruit [there is nothing scarier than a wife]
 

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Since Mythical Zoan fruits are even scarcer than Logia, my guess is that he is the strongest Mythical Zoan.
 

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Well, the strongest creature is generally used to refer human beings. But since Chopper already ate the fruit ,

I m inclined to say titan/leviathan/Virus . But i am also thinkingo n the lines of some pharamon type fruit as beasts tend to be more sensitive to smell .

Also , if it does turn out to be something stupid , itmight be a wife wife fruit [there is nothing scarier than a wife]
I think you meant pheromone... and I like this idea more than any other idea I've heard...
 

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I hope he ends up being some sort of super-strong human who turns at will into a Kaiju. The battle against Luffy with his gear third would be awesome!
 
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