Discussion Kaido's Ability

[Beatrice]

Griffin is the Greek mythology creature that give arise to Harry’s house called Gryffindor. The creature itself is an amalgamation of two creatures, the body of a lion, and the wings and head of an eagle. Given that both the lion and the eagle are kings of animals and birds respectively, it is said that the Griffin was the king of all creatures

Maybe?

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I was also thinking of Typhon.

Typhon is one of the most powerful Greek mythology creature. Together with Echidna, it gave birth to many of the monsters that were featured above including Chimera, Cerberus, Sphinx etc.

Typhon is said to be really huge. Its upper body is human like and is said to be taller than a mountain. His bottom half comprised of large vipers that can reach far out in any directions.

 

[David Rose]

Ok, so I'll now write some of my original ideas, that i wanted to include in the above post, before sending it:

We know nothing about Kaido's ability, but we do in fact know some things about his personalilty. Il just quote this directly from http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kaido .

From what is shown, Kaido is a merciless and confident warrior who never lets an opportunity slip by, as evidenced by his plan to attack Whitebeard during the latter's attempt to save Portgas D. Ace from execution.[6]

He is also pitiless and not open to negotiations and excuses, which makes it seemingly unwise to provoke or underestimate him. This is enforced dramatically when Donquixote Doflamingo, a Shichibukai known for his fearless and confident attitude, is very afraid of Kaido when he may be unable to fulfill his end of their accord due to Trafalgar Law holding Caesar Clown as a hostage.[7]

It was also stated by Scotch that Kaido has a favorite island, a winter island that was guarded by a cyborg and visited by X Drake.[8] He has some care for his subordinates, or at least values Scotch, as Scotch confirmed that Kaido would be angry if Scotch were to be attacked.

To me this seems like the perfectly fitted personality for the ultimate beast, as he is aggressive, confident, but with a certain amount of cunning and intelligence. He also seems to be very opportunistic, given his attack on WB, which obviously was more meant to delay and intercept him. It would be kinda dumb to confront the strongest man alive in an open battle, while he has his whole military force gathered.
And, regarding the whole broker and Smile topic, he has some big plan. That does fit with his planned attack on WB in some way, since the execution of Ace would've been an added desaster for WB's crew. Also this was kind of an ulimate move from Kaido if he would've succeded, since he would've been the second target on WB's hitlist after. That could mean he already was ready for war in some way and is now pushing even more to increase his army for some territory gain in the New Wolrd.

 

[omegakai]

I think since he is call Kaido "the beast", he might be a chimera with abilities and powers of different powerful beast

 

[Vampy]

Re: Kaido | appearance, abilities, motivations and general concept

Hey,

before i start, there already is a similiar topic to the matter, what kind of creature Kaido is:
You can find it here.

Since i want to go in a slightly different direction i will just qoute the conclusions that i found important:

Kaido's relation to a dragon zoan:





Opposed by:



Kaido having a lion zoan:


Kaido beeing a Cyborg, or similiar to that:


Kaido having another ancient or mythical zoan:

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In conclusion we have these possibilities from the discussion:
- dragon zoan (or him beeing a dragon in general)
- ancient or mythical zoan
- cyborg
- lion zoan
- other note before metioned (alien, greek titan ability, werewolf)

So we can assume two things: His title of beeing the strongest of all creatures (100 beasts) seems to be a big deal, or hint to his powers. Also he has an army of artificial Zoans, duh. I think it's a must for his set-up to be the strongest Zoan-user out there.
The other thing is the hint to Wano and him beeing a dragon and the possible conflict with Monkey D. Dragon and his concept.

I wanna qoute myself on that topic and regarding dragon zoans in general:


In my opinion we're getting a bit too much dragon lately. Searching for mythical beasts and kings of animals brings up some similiar possibilities:
- Manticore (mentioned in the thread, but not "king" of something)
- Leviathan (could be anything since it's a wide spread name)
- Basilisk (my current guess, also the king of serpents)

The problem with those mythical types is they all appeared somehow before. We had a Sphinx in Impel Down, which is equal to a Manticore in most ways. The concept of a Leviathan ist kinda wacky since simply beeing huge is kinda lame and also we already have someone lika that in BB's crew.
My guess is Kaido having a Basilisk Zoan. This truly is a powerful ability that can even reach up to Marco's. Yet again, we already had a Basilisk before, guess where: Impel Down. Also i think such an ability would only be plausible without the kings disposition, since both do roughly the same.

I gotta finish due to lack of time. I don't see Kaido beeing a lion with the same reasons i don't see him as a dragon. We already had enough of those.

I know I'm missing the other half of the whole topic. But maybe we can start a new discussion anyway and I'll add to it later.

In my opinion there hasn't been as much speculation about Kaido as I'd wish, since he will become very important soon.

What about that slave trading list? It had "Snakeheads" and "Minks". Those are pretty much beasts. The Dwarfs were on the slave trading list as well. I wonder what, "Minks" and "Snakekheads" look like. Maybe they're human shape beings like, Fish-men.

 

[hokageji]

Well, there is also the alien possibility..... an alien and the ufo ship...

 

[BlkPeregrine]

I'm betting that he's some sort of humanoid dragon.

I'm going with Kaido having a dragon form. Only because Oda continuously foreshadows about the presence of a dragon. He has the country of Wano having a grudge against a dragon, the legendary samuari taking down a dragon, even Vegapunk made a few artificial dragons. So I'm going to go out there and say that this species is extinct in the OP world, but Kaido may have the df ability of a dragon.

 

[GumGumRep]

It'd be cool if he was always in his Zoan form and nobody even knows that he has a human form.

 

[hokageji]

I'm going with Kaido having a dragon form. Only because Oda continuously foreshadows about the presence of a dragon. He has the country of Wano having a grudge against a dragon, the legendary samuari taking down a dragon, even Vegapunk made a few artificial dragons. So I'm going to go out there and say that this species is extinct in the OP world, but Kaido may have the df ability of a dragon.

But Momonosuke already has that ability. There is nothing that says artificial DF abilities can replicate DF abilities.

The more interesting possibility is that he is a dragon that ate a human type of fruit, something like chopper. He probably ate a giant fruit giving him human abilities.

Moreover, the dragon has been overused in the story so far. I dont think it would bring an interesting twist.

The most important clue about kaidou is that Moria thought by getting Oars, he can defeat Kaidou. That means he is probably an animal which ate the giant giant fruit... that would porbably fit the dragon too.....

 

[danzouismadara]

Panda Bear! I called it!

 

[David Rose]

But Momonosuke already has that ability. There is nothing that says artificial DF abilities can replicate DF abilities.

The more interesting possibility is that he is a dragon that ate a human type of fruit, something like chopper. He probably ate a giant fruit giving him human abilities.

Moreover, the dragon has been overused in the story so far. I dont think it would bring an interesting twist.

The most important clue about kaidou is that Moria thought by getting Oars, he can defeat Kaidou. That means he is probably an animal which ate the giant giant fruit... that would porbably fit the dragon too.....

I wanna quote myself again on that DF-topic. :P

Well, at least we do know that there is some sort of Zoan out there, that transforms you into a dragon. :P So there are two different ways:
1. Vegapunk recreated the dragons and then made his own artificial Zoan with their "genes" or whatever
2. there actually exists an ancient dragon Zoan which he tried to copy.

Also we have to think about Momo's appearance: all of Vegapunk's dragons were western dragons. Momo is eastern though. This could be because he belongs to the Samurais, but this far into the Mange we never had the animal-form of a Zoan be affected by the origin of it's user. Thus there could be the possibility for an ancient Zoan that can control weather and fits into the eastern dragon mythologie.

To me the most appealing difference is that of western and eastern dragons. We never saw it before that the appearance of a Zoan-user changes regarding his origin.

edit:

It'd be cool if he was always in his Zoan form and nobody even knows that he has a human form.

Well, we kinda got a glimpse on how he looks in his human form already, so i guess we will see it. Him using his ability most of the time because he feels more like a creature, as a human is another interesting assumption that would fit his title in some way. :P
You can find it here.

 

[Fox666]

There is also the misterious person in this cover:

 

[hokageji]

There is also the misterious person in this cover:

Spoiler

I thought this is the order in the anticlockwise:

Jeant Bart
hawkins
killer
shanks
kid
jimbei
akainu
doflamingo
apoo
hordy jones
The center is
i guess the jean bart part might be confusing... but i doubt that would be kaidou....
this could be a hint / foreshadow that jean bart has a large bounty (over 100 million) and is not in Zo....

or is not a part of the heart pirates anymore.

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Panda Bear! I called it!

panda man is the journalist Absa.... thats why you see panda man everywhere.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

That color page is really not that hard to read. The overall theme is "New Era" with the key players gathered in one spread. In the middle, the SHs, Kinemon+Momo and representatives of Law´s crew are located because they just had formed an alliance and are thus the focus of the story. The outer characters are the other key players in this era: Kidd-Hawking-Apoo alliance, Jinbe as catalyst for the BM arc (and probably future SH member), Akainu as FA and probably the last antagonist, Aokiji as a wildcard, DD as catalyst for Kaidou arc and of course his own arc, Kaidou + Big Mum + Blackbeard as targets and Shanks as forth part of the Yonkou. The only one who is somewhat out of place is Killer but i guess Oda had to fill the 12th spot, so including the fourth Supernova in the KHA alliance makes sense.

 

[jimtors]

Kaido is most likely human, since humans are the strongest beings...... But i guess he has a something in his body that make him look inhumane..... or like a monster. LIke the guy that was stucked in a chest for 20 years or like lion Shiki with a steering wheel on his head.. I guess...

 

[Cavendish]

I thought this is the order in the anticlockwise:

Jeant Bart
hawkins
killer
shanks
kid
jimbei
akainu
doflamingo
apoo
hordy jones
The center is
i guess the jean bart part might be confusing... but i doubt that would be kaidou....
this could be a hint / foreshadow that jean bart has a large bounty (over 100 million) and is not in Zo....

or is not a part of the heart pirates anymore.

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panda man is the journalist Absa.... thats why you see panda man everywhere.

I think the characters are pretty simple except in the top-left corner:

Kaidou or Jesus Burgess (the typical mouth but the hair aint correct and Oda wouldnt hide his face)
Basil Hawkins
Blackbeard
Killer
Shanks
Kidd
Jimbei
Akainu
DD
Aokiji
Schratchmen Apoo
Big Mom (the eye feels familiar)


and btw Absa is actually the nickname for Absalom! :

Correct me if im wröng

 

[hokageji]

I think the characters are pretty simple except in the top-left corner:

Kaidou or Jesus Burgess (the typical mouth but the hair aint correct and Oda wouldnt hide his face)
Basil Hawkins
Blackbeard
Killer
Shanks
Kidd
Jimbei
Akainu
DD
Aokiji
Schratchmen Apoo
Big Mom (the eye feels familiar)


and btw Absa is actually the nickname for Absalom! :

Correct me if im wröng

It cant be Jesus, the mask is missing. You are right about Big Mom, hordy;s eyelashes are prominent in his bottom eyelid. Also, hes grown old so the updated image would be shown.

I wasnt serious of Pandaman, it is obviously Absa

 

[danzouismadara]

Who knows maybe kaido is special because he can turn into any zoan animal that he wants.

 

[Seafarer]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido was a Dragon type zoan, possibly awakened.
My reasoning: Momo & Kinemon seem to have a history with Kaido, and it just so happens that when Kinemon slays the small dragon in Punk Hazard, he is hateful and tells Brook that his anger is "a parent's revenge". So I'm thinking there might be a tie with Kaido in that dragon business.

 

[danzouismadara]

IF kaido was large zoan creature wouldn't that make him a bigger target? like drake for example was a easy target for kizaru. I don't get how a guy with a bunch of zoans could be an emperor. Any smart guy would end the game by sinking his ship lol

 

[Seafarer]

"Just sink their ship and wave them goodbye"? The same can be said of almost every supernova or corsair captain that we've heard of so far; not to mention a large number of marine officers and the admirals. And Whitebeard, too, when he was still alive. And Blackbeard. And ...
Yet, we don't see it happen very often. Maybe because those ladies and gentlemen do not act as the sitting ducks you assume them to be?

In other words, "a guy with a bunch oif zoans" gets to be emperor because he and his crew members are numerous and damn strong and will sink your ship first if you come asking for trouble, period.