Question kaito

[mousiehamster]

For movement while channeling Pain Packer, aura is a zero sum game. If you're projecting some special material to block the heat and an immense source of heat energy that means all your other stats go way down during the time you're channeling that. You might not be immobile but it's not like your combat stats would be anything worth mentioning. The first way to deal with Pain Packer is simply kill Feitan before he's completed it. Given there's enough time for people to run away flailing their hands you can tell that his ability does not activate instantly.

There's no consistency in HxH when it comes to these sorta things. Netero spoke a couple of words in the time span his statue bitchslapped Pitou into the sky even though the attack speed is far, far faster than the time it'd take to speak.

For his armor, if you want to get into 'special material' the entire premise of aura is dumb. That is, if Feitan projected special fire-retardant material as opposed to Gensuru who obviously puts exactly enough AP on his hands to block his own damage, then what's stopping an enemy from doing exactly the same thing?

It takes skill and visualization training to conjure something vs. just blocking with aura.

Further if all you're doing with aura is making up 'special material' you should just spend your time buying up poisoned weapons. Even a taser is quite effective in this regard (very few human characters resist electricity). I'm going to assume his armor operates on the same principle as Gensuru, because otherwise any ability can be explained by 'special material'. The point Kurapika's master makes with Materialization is weak if all you're trying to do is project 'special items' that do relatively mundane things (like killing people or blocking damage) because they're not going to be more special than stuff you can already buy in the world of HXH.

Nono, the guy was just giving an extreme example that actually means very little. All he's saying is that you can't create something that's scientifically impossible. But that's actually really wide because what's scientifically possible doesn't calibrate with what's technologically feasible or possible at the current level of technology in HxH. Novu created wormholes ffs. So why assume that Feitan's suit is crap? The truth is it's probably got excellent fire resistance that isn't otherwise attainable (for example).

The heat dissipation example also obviously misses the point. You don't know what the conversion ratio is between "pure nen" and fire. Furthermore, as a hatsu it might be even more efficient (for Feitan) than normal emission. And emission efficiency is unknown as well - how well does it travel through air?

I'm going to assume Feitan can't just hurl the sun like a projectile and half of the standard 'standoff' distance is about the limit of as far as the 'sun' will travel before it detonates. In light of that, the only way the ability is deadly is if you stand still which is exactly what Zanza did.

I don't think she stood still. She saw Feitan with some cool armor and thought to herself: dafuq? But the Spiders recognize the suit and ran for it. Not surprising they got away clean since they were at a distance and also had a head start. What's apparent though is that the area of effect is really large (as alluded to by one of the Spiders who remarked he/she almost died once from trying to watch.)

From a narrative standpoint i mean the intention is that obviously the Spiders are supposed to be friggin strong. Yeah Togashi is bad and sometimes inconsistent with his treatment of aura but he's not always totally incorrect.

 

[Phantron]

Obviously people in HXH can talk infinitely fast but Feitan's move has a huge delay that goes beyond the fact people were able to talk about it. You have several members of the Spider who are wounded already. Kalluto is supposed to be way out of his league compared to rest of the Spiders. Yet when Feitan prepared his move there's plenty of time for everyone to flail their hands and run away, including Kalluto. There's no way Zanza is going to be slower than the last guy who evacuated (most likely Kalluto). So if Kallauto can escape on time so can Zanza. Now Zanza might not feel the need to run away but that doesn't mean you just stand there and watch. You either attack first or you back off a bit more. You simply don't stand still and let the other guy finish his ability.

People are putting way too much faith in the magic sauce of aura. When Killua used his lightning against one of the bombers, he thought Killua was using a taser. The guy on the wheelchair in Celestial Arena had an electric whip that will stun anyone not resistant to electricity (there's absolutely no indication that electricity resistance is common). Yes in the case of the electric whip you've to carry the stuff with you, but Killua's lightning ability is basically a godlike ability. It might as well be one hit kill (one hit and any human type characters gets shocked and then he has all the time to kill you) and that can be done with an electric whip. The point is that not only can't you make things outside of scientifically possible, most of the time it's not even as good as just spending more money to buy whatever 'special material' you're looking for and the only advantage is that anything created by aura is easily portable while normal 'special material' stuff you got to carry it around with you always. But it's far more likely for an average guy to carry around an electric whip than somehow developing the ability to project lightning so the extra clumsiness is usually worth it.

Now of course there are exceptions like say Shizuku. By the way she can simply wear an oxygen mask and suck up all the oxygen in the air and that'd be guaranteed win against any opponent if she can last for even a minute or so as long as she's not fighting Morel (even Ants need oxygen and clearly their physical ability deteroriates rapidly without oxygen). Goreinu would be unstoppable if he just throw his gorilla off a cliff and then teleported the enemy into it, and if a cliff isn't availble you can simply use traps instead. There are a lot of abilities that are in no ways rigorous and you'll never see them applied in how I described because it'd be incredibly dumb even though based on what we know about them, those are perfectly valid applications.

In terms of abilities that's actually rigorous, Hisoka's ability is pretty good. I think it's way overrated but it's not something that'd get you instantly killed against a superior opponent. Its effectiveness is diminished but it still has a chance to catch them off guard. Some abilities, like Phinx's, is literally a death wish against a superior opponent. Now you can say some people didn't develop ability to fight strong people, but then what's the point to develop abilities to fight people weaker than you? Especially if you're talking about guys like Feitan and Phinx who clearly developed their abilities to kill people as opposed to say, blackmail in Gensuru's case, and yet it only works on people they can already kill!

 

[zzigg]

and the only advantage is that anything created by aura is easily portable while normal 'special material' stuff you got to carry it around with you always

i disagree with you ..you can use a teaser or whatever other object that emit electricity and have the same result even though we don't know how many volts killua can produce ..but despite being easier to'' carry ''with you''...'' electric aura'' can make you develop other abilities or other ways of using that source that you actually can't find as product you can buy''god speed '' '' Pain Packer ''

Now of course there are exceptions like say Shizuku. By the way she can simply wear an oxygen mask and suck up all the oxygen in the air and that'd be guaranteed win against any opponent if she can last for even a minute or so as long as she's not fighting Morel (even Ants need oxygen and clearly their physical ability deteroriates rapidly without oxygen). Goreinu would be unstoppable if he just throw his gorilla off a cliff and then teleported the enemy into it, and if a cliff isn't availble you can simply use traps instead. There are a lot of abilities that are in no ways rigorous and you'll never see them applied in how I described because it'd be incredibly dumb even though based on what we know about them, those are perfectly valid applications.

first for shizuku it's impossible for demi to suck all oxygen.. only if she was in a sealed room with the enemy ...and for her low combat ability in a confined space that's death for her
for Goreinu .. the two segnarios that you give are perfect for him to defeat someone but only if he happend to be in there ..and for his low combat abilities too.. i don't think he can do much with the two gorillas in face of a strong enemy
i think togashi think that far ahead for every ability... but for some he let those gaps in to use them in future .

In terms of abilities that's actually rigorous, Hisoka's ability is pretty good. I think it's way overrated but it's not something that'd get you instantly killed against a superior opponent.

if he just put the bungee gum in his opponent face he can suffocates him ...being the only one who can release it .. it's an easy kill......but hisoka won't do a cheap trick like this one ...togashi think that far ahead in his work

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In HxH is hard to compare strength unless you count Aura Points. And those don't determine a battle neither. It's hard to figure out if He's a the level of the Ryodan when the level of the Ryodan is kinda unknown. Yes, we have seen them fight but those were not fight-for-live showdowns. And the only one who fought to death was Uvogin, who dealt with 5 Nen Users simultaneously. And I'm pretty sure that Uvogin would kick Bomber ass as well, so it's actually weird to try measure GR levels considering their achievements.

And even the Ants were inconsistent. They are shown to be MONSTROUS in aura range but not out of the scope of human ability (Gon reached it and it's not the most powerful human on earth or the weirdest talent around...Remember, 1 in a billion is still frequent.)

Kaito is strong, but I'm sure He's not a TOP TOP user. An Average hunter sounds fitting to me.

I still believe that Kaito is very powerful much more than a verage hunter . But I must agree that he is lacking absolute precision and power. Kaito's Nen ability is powerful, but not completely precise. Thus he lacks the 'absolute'.which i think he gain in his transformation

and Let's not forget that not only was Kite discovered and trained by Ging, one of the top 5 Nen users in the world, according to Biscuit, but he also managed to track Ging down. I shudder to imagine how strong Kite would have to be to even make his way into the place where Ging is hiding.
Kaito took on pito and ways caught off gaurd. What's more, Pito acknowledged him as a challenge, and a "test of his limits"
also What Pito said about his fight with Kaito (being "like a dream") needs to be taken into context.

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[Phantron]

Buying a flamethrower is clumsy but you don't need to take some serious damage before you can use your flamethrower.

A taser might not be the sneakiest of weapons but the vast majority of people in HXH has no chance of ever producing electricity.

Again people have this misconception that aura is supposed to produce 'magical stuff'. Grunt Ants can tank Jajaken (which is a strong offensive move) with solely their body without the aid of any aura. We also see the same grunts actually killed by regular guns wielded by untrained humans of NGL. The Hunters reprsent the strongest fighting force that isn't affiliated with the military, but if the goal is just to be better at killing people you might as well just join the military. Tsezguerra planned to fight Gensuru with the aids of the mercenary soldiers that was hired in the castle. Unless the point is that he completely overestimated the potency of these guys you're looking at something no stronger than a true army (they're still just mercenaries) but have military grade weapons + reasonable training. These mercenaries certainly do not appear to wield any heavy weaponry or vehicles but it was enough to make a guy who is extremely cautious feel confident about fighting Gensuru. And yet these mercenaries are just ordinary human beings using good weapons with training.

Kite is said roughly around Knuckles' level, and Knuckles is already near the top by the virtue of participating in a fight that is supposed to determine the fate of humanity. The Hunter's Association is supposed to be overwhelmingly strong. They ended up turning into some kind of joke where apparently they didn't even send half of their best guys but they did bring a nuclear bomb just in case for backup in a fight for the survival of humanity. I mean just look at why Ilumi applied to a license. He said he needed to get into some country due to a job and that's why he needed the clearance from the license. He's supposed to be stronger than Killua who was supposed to fight tanks and jets bare handed, and yet his decision was go apply a license as opposed to try to illegally sneak into a country. The power of few individuals, even guys like Spiders, pales compared to the power wielded by large organizations (Hunter's Association) let alone nations. And Kite is obviously pretty close to the top of the said organization in terms of fighting ability and by extenesion that means he's near the top of humanity as well.

 

[zzigg]

Kite is said roughly around Knuckles' level

nop....togashi stated in the data book that kaito is in the same level as Mauro in the hexagon

i see the threads empty ....the members are being lazy

the next time we will see kaito sama he will be a mature sexy red haired woman....so do you like that ? or it's a Togashi troll that embarrasses the hell out of this powerfull protagonists?
personally i'm not quite liking it yet ...i mean i wanna see her but in the same time.....so am confused

what about you guys

 

[Demonspeed]

He decided to change Kite in a girl because he want a love triangle. Killua loves Gon but Gon loves Kite.And don't forget Palm and Alluka!

I'm serious now.If Kite becomes a mature and sexy redhead,it implies we'll have a time skip.Maybe (s)he will try to get his first corpse.

I would like a time skip after that arc IF we learn exactly what Kurapika.

 

[zzigg]

If Kite becomes a mature and sexy redhead,it implies we'll have a time skip.

not necessarily you know ants grow up fast ..there wasn't a long period between the baby kite an kite the kid... so normaly the next time we will see him/her he will be ..damn i can't even imagine it

 

[mousiehamster]

Am i missing something? Kite would still be a guy.

 

[drsckarasu]

Am i missing something? Kite would still be a guy.

Yeah, only with female genitals. O,then we have here a perfect couple: Kaito (man with woman body) + Alluka (girl with man body). They are made ​​to be together.

 

[Phantron]

I'm inclined to think Kite is still a guy just due to Togashi's past history.

 

[zzigg]

Am i missing something? Kite would still be a guy.

in a woman's body

I'm inclined to think Kite is still a guy just due to Togashi's past history

which one ?,

 

[Demonspeed]

For me,Kite is a girl now.

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Yeah, only with female genitals. O,then we have here a perfect couple: Kaito (man with woman body) + Alluka (girl with man body). They are made ​​to be together.

Alluka has'nt a man body.Also that would be Yuri.

 

[Phantron]

For 'based on history' I mean based on the guys who have a feminine look (Pitou, Alluka, and even Kurapika) so I'm sticking with male for Kite for now.

 

[zzigg]

For 'based on history' I mean based on the guys who have a feminine look (Pitou, Alluka, and even Kurapika) so I'm sticking with male for Kite for now.

right ...
but it was a girl that the koala shoot..
after that he recognized her when he was talking to kite the kid ......but it can be that .it's just kito's new body look like hers
but am confident that kito is female it is said to be mereums twin sister

 

[drsckarasu]

Alluka has'nt a man body.Also that would be Yuri.

Then, why all refers to Alluka like a boy, except Killua.

 

[Phantron]

right ...
but it was a girl that the koala shoot..
after that he recognized her when he was talking to kite the kid ......but it can be that .it's just kito's new body look like hers
but am confident that kito is female it is said to be mereums twin sister

Female certainly seems right but everyone thought Pitou was female too...

 

[zzigg]

Female certainly seems right but everyone thought Pitou was female too...

after the last scan of the chimera ant ..am certain that the studio will present pito as a female...

 

[Demonspeed]

after the last scan of the chimera ant ..am certain that the studio will present pito as a female...

Cause she is.

 

[Phantron]

I think Togashi is the only person in this world who believe Pitou is male, but unfortunately his opinion carries a lot of weight.

 

[zzigg]

togashi was referring to the ants by it so.. their gender is unknown...if am not wrong
but to satisfy fans they will present it as a female