Question Khun spearmanship

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That fits my point. I noticed that they hold real swords, they don't create shinsu swords like the Khun family did with lightning spears.

On the contrary to Eduan, he doesn't hold a real spear, he usually uses a spear created by shinsu.

Another case is Zahard, Zahard has real weapons but he also creates needles with shinsu.

So I think the Arie family uses pure swordsmanship. Or it can be said it is the swordsmanship Hon had before entering the tower.
Shinsoo Attribute is stronger when you are using it with a weapon. Eduan has physical spears, we know Mago for example. Same for Hon with White Oar.
 

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I don't think that technique comes from Arie swordsmanship.
Maybe it's his technique but the basis should be from Arie swordsmanship. It's not like it's actually that hard to create swords/spears out of Shinsu. Like demon said, the weapon just boosts the power
 

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Maybe it's his technique but the basis should be from Arie swordsmanship. It's not like it's actually that hard to create swords/spears out of Shinsu. Like demon said, the weapon just boosts the power
It can't be Arie Swordsmanship. Arie Swordsmanship is a sword style. Hoaqin creates swords with Shinsoo, swords which are also empowered with Spells. Then he uses AS for his attacks.
 

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It can't be Arie Swordsmanship. Arie Swordsmanship is a sword style. Hoaqin creates swords with Shinsoo, swords which are also empowered with Spells. Then he uses AS for his attacks.
I don't think anyone can use Arie swordsmanship to that level. Only Adori might somewhat replicate it. Others all just derive their sword style based on Arie swordsmanship. That's why they can never reach Hon's level. We have seen the trait of it, in his first encounter and in LS, iirc.
 

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I don't think anyone can use Arie swordsmanship to that level. Only Adori might somewhat replicate it. Others all just derive their sword style based on Arie swordsmanship. That's why they can never reach Hon's level. We have seen the trait of it, in his first encounter and in LS, iirc.
Of course, everyone has different level of skills, Irregulars are in their own world, but Hoaqin does use Arie Swordsmanship, he is the first true Arie we saw in battle. His swords are just a fusion of Shinsoo and Sorcery though. He uses AS to attack with them.
 

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I like calling Arie Swordsmanship "Reality warping with swords" since Inieta said Arie can do anything with it.



They do need Shinsoo, but you don't need a Sword Attribute. The Sword Attribute would just strengthen it. Arie Swordsmanship can be taught, but non Arie can't use it as well as the others. Naturally, most Arie have the Sword Attribute since Hon is their father.

Inieta couldn't create Shinsoo Swords but he used Arie Swordmanship with swords.
There's not that clear a divide between attributes and stuff that you can learnt through practice as far as the story has told us. I lean towards attributes being mechanically similar to elements in naruto. Attributes are stuff that's suited to your shinsoo but it's not necessarily impossible for others to learn.

It's true inieta couldn't create a sword but this was before we were introduced to the idea of attributes. It's not normal for regulars to have their full attributes. Even ascensio didn't have a full lightning spear at the time he completed the hell train.

My expectations would be that the stronger arie have a sword attribute with real arie swordsmanship. It sounds weird to me that to an arie these would come separately. Though of course as I said earlier creating an attribute out of shinsoo is normally not something we see from young regulars.
 

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There's not that clear a divide between attributes and stuff that you can learnt through practice as far as the story has told us. I lean towards attributes being mechanically similar to elements in naruto. Attributes are stuff that's suited to your shinsoo but it's not necessarily impossible for others to learn.

It's true inieta couldn't create a sword but this was before we were introduced to the idea of attributes. It's not normal for regulars to have their full attributes. Even ascensio didn't have a full lightning spear at the time he completed the hell train.

My expectations would be that the stronger arie have a sword attribute with real arie swordsmanship. It sounds weird to me that to an arie these would come separately. Though of course as I said earlier creating an attribute out of shinsoo is normally not something we see from young regulars.
It is though. That's why Baam doesn't have Sword Shinsoo. Zahard for example couldn't create an Orb because it doesn't fit his Shinsoo.

Asensio fights differently from Ran and Maschenny, who do use the Lightning Spears. People grow and learn differently. He likely doesn't have a Lightning Attribute and neither does A.A.

A Sword Attribute is optional, but the Arie Swordmanship itself is something they all share, just like all Khuns are good at Spear Bearing, even if they aren't necessarily Jeonsulsa and all Lo Po Bia, even those without Shinheuhs, have the Anima talent.
 

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Arie's swordmanship seems to be famous for its unpredictable and complex techniques, but it does not have the shinsu attribute.
With Hon, he also did not create a shinsu sword to fight like a lightning spear or an ice spear, he chose a wooden sword to fight Luslec.
With Adori, she summoned a real sword to slash the mother ship Po Bidau.
It seems that Arie's techniques are mainly pure swordmanship.
They can have swords but Luslec also said in that fight that "before pulls out his 'real' sword", where we did not see a tangible sword.
I believe it might really be similar to White.
 

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They can have swords but Luslec also said in that fight that "before pulls out his 'real' sword", where we did not see a tangible sword.
I believe it might really be similar to White.
There is a difference between your translation and the translation on the webtoon.
On the webtoon they say "unleashing his full power".
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View media item 29724Also the way I look at it, I get the feeling it's a wooden sword. (But I'm not sure)
 

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There is a difference between your translation and the translation on the webtoon.
On the webtoon they say "unleashing his full power".
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View media item 29724Also the way I look at it, I get the feeling it's a wooden sword. (But I'm not sure)
I do trust Shinyee translation I shared, but I don't know the Korean original. The difference in this case is quite big. Could you share your word on this, @Shiinhye1 ?
Yeah, it does look like a wooden sword with katana-like handle, and it can cut the things, like concrete like materials they stood.
 

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Idk about past times but lately I have noticed some mistranslations in fan TL. Maybe because shin translates it in next 24 hrs or else readers including me will get crazy without it while webtoon takes much longer time to translate.
 

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I have followed this series for years and I can't remember a single time where Webtoon's TL has been considered more accurate. Maybe it happened, but if it did I don't remember it. Black Hole Sphere is also not accurate but they keep using it.

Anyway, it's obvious that Hon's main weapon wouldn't be a wooden sword.
 

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I have followed this series for years and I can't remember a single time
I did think U might be one of those readers who followed TOG way early.

Webtoon's TL has been considered more accurate. Maybe it happened
Well it's recent. In 639, when Rei went 3D in fan TL, it says his FP when we know he isn't at his FP as he was missing leviathan and other divine sea animals. Another one is in 647, where in Fan TL, it says only UM's right hand/fist is equivalent to destructiveness of purple flame when we have seen UM destroy Mirchea's deadly attack with his left fist, fist of gorgones. There are others too but one of the mistranslations by both webtoon and fan TL says armoured version of Dumas is stronger than inner/real Dumas in 634.

Black Hole Sphere is also not accurate but they keep using it.
So far it looks accurate. We have only seen one final version. But All Creatures is a shinsu technique with a large space sucking and holding countless divine sea animals similar to black hole which is sphere in shape. This is just my thought.
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On another note, Idk the history as I started reading fan TL from 601 but I do think webtoon TL is just overhated in all the servers/groups of TOG.
 

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I won't claim which translation is correct.
But the wooden sword shouldn't be considered Hon's real sword.
 

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I believe that's another TL wrong in fan TL. In 617, fan TL says as if hon told Edahn, I didn't bring my real sword. That's why there's confusion if hon had his real sword or not. Does a swordsman travel without his sword?
 

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From my understanding, Aries are the sword themselves thus why their souls go back to the large sword on Hon’s floor! Inieta never had a special sword neither did Hoaqin’s siblings
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As AA explained they master swordsmanship before birth!!!
 

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There really hasn’t been much representation for Khun spearmanship since S2. And part of that is just that the focus hasn’t really been on them in that way. Still, lightning spears, ice spears, etc, are instantly associated with the Khun family. Unlike the Arie family, which is all about being unified under one swordsmanship, the Khuns are divided into many branches, so their fighting style isn’t as singular or iconic. It's more complex if you ask me. That could be why it hasn’t been hyped the same way.
Asensio fights differently from Ran and Maschenny, who do use the Lightning Spears. People grow and learn differently. He likely doesn't have a Lightning Attribute and neither does A.A.
While I agree they fight differently, we did see Asensio use a lightning spear against Nanatona. He probably just prefers using a physical spear for fighting.
 

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From my understanding, Aries are the sword themselves thus why their souls go back to the large sword on Hon’s floor! Inieta never had a special sword neither did Hoaqin’s siblings
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As AA explained they master swordsmanship before birth!!!
Wasn't it very clearly a figure of speech.
 

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It is though. That's why Baam doesn't have Sword Shinsoo. Zahard for example couldn't create an Orb because it doesn't fit his Shinsoo.

Asensio fights differently from Ran and Maschenny, who do use the Lightning Spears. People grow and learn differently. He likely doesn't have a Lightning Attribute and neither does A.A.

A Sword Attribute is optional, but the Arie Swordmanship itself is something they all share, just like all Khuns are good at Spear Bearing, even if they aren't necessarily Jeonsulsa and all Lo Po Bia, even those without Shinheuhs, have the Anima talent.
I would maintain we don't know to which extent some powers can or can't be learned like regular techniques. Of course, learning a regular technique wouldn't provide the same benefit as learning something your shinsoo is suited to.

Ascensio does eventually learn the lightning spear. He just didn't have that at the hell train but we do see him nuke one of lyboricks minions with one.

I don't see how the sword attribute being optional makes sense.
 

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I’ve always been under the impression that the Sword Attribute is what makes swordplay second nature to the Arie family. It’s why they can pick up any sword and be instantly good at it, just like how using spears comes naturally to the Khun family. It’s not just about skill; it’s something in their blood that makes it click instantly.
 
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